Talk:Bill Frakes

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Nebraska harassment accusations and apparent termination[edit]

I had inserted the following text into the article:

His contract with Nebraska was ended after a Title IX investigation by the university found that he had sexually harassed a student.[1]
  1. ^ Burton, Tom (2017-08-08). "Photojournalism Lecturer at Nebraska Accused of Harassment". National Press Photographers Association. Retrieved 2017-08-08.

An earlier edit had said he was "found guilty", which is not the case in a hearing. New user ASDFJK (talk · contribs) removed the text, stating "Information is confidential and not correct".

So my questions to the wider editing community are this:

  1. Is this incident worthy of mentioning in his article?
  2. Is the removal by other editors truly driven by it not being significant or by attempting to keep negative information out of a pretty glowing article?
  3. Is NPPA a reliable source, or should we wait for coverage in newspapers and other media before adding?

I'd like to get the thoughts of editors here, but if necessary, I'll send this to WP:BLPN. —C.Fred (talk) 22:01, 8 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like this is a real thing, the university found evidence of impropriety and there is coverage of it and it is worthy of mentioning [1] Toddst1 (talk) 18:13, 9 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, accusations are real in that they are made. Whether or not they are true is less clear, and more difficult to ascertain. This is just beginning. --Hammersoft (talk) 18:15, 9 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Is there any ambiguity? "the university found that he engaged in sexual misconduct and sexual harassment." from the link I posted above. There is no doubt. Toddst1 (talk) 22:13, 9 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sure there's ambiguity. As noted, there hasn't been a final hearing. --Hammersoft (talk) 00:20, 10 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have removed the controversy section per WP:BLPCRIME. Yes, there is an accusation. No, there is no conviction. One of the sources noted [2] that no final hearing has taken place. Given the seriousness of the accusation, I think we need to establish consensus for including it. --Hammersoft (talk) 18:15, 9 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: I've requested page protection to get time to come to a consensus about how best to proceed with this information. Per WP:BLPREQUESTRESTORE it should not be restored until such time as we agree on restoring in its current form. --Hammersoft (talk) 21:29, 9 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I think we could add something neutral as Inside Higher Ed does: "the University of Nebraska at Lincoln ended the visiting professorship of photojournalist Bill Frakes" (Flaherty, Colleen (August 11, 2017). "'Zero-Tolerance Mind-set'". Inside Higher Ed. Retrieved August 11, 2017.). The termination of his visiting professorship appears to be a fact, regardless of whether the allegations are true or not. If untrue, it is still significant that a university can terminate a scholar without conviction.Zigzig20s (talk) 09:44, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • In this day and age, all it takes is an accusation to end someone's career. The neutral statement might be ok, but I'd prefer to wait. Please take the following not as criticism directed at you nor anyone else; There's no rush here, and we need to proceed carefully due to BLP issues. We are not a news media outlet that reports everything in gasping breaths hoping to be the first to press. We have a duty under BLP, and should respect that. The accusations have only just been made. Let's let the spin cycle do its thing and see what comes of it. --Hammersoft (talk) 12:37, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Update[edit]

Came across this article and it can do with an update.

Hasn't really been worked on since the flurry of discussion in 2017.

Speaking of which, @Hammersoft, I think the dust has now settled on this..What are your thoughts? MaskedSinger (talk) 19:57, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If there are reliable, secondary sources supporting a conviction, sure. An accusation, no. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:16, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok thanks! MaskedSinger (talk) 04:27, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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