Talk:Battle of Moyry Pass

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A few points[edit]

I don't quite understand the final sentence, on Mountjoy learning about the queen from Essex's experience: I guess it means that, having seen the way Essex's campaign was represented at court, he had to play up another stalemate as a victory? The strategic significance of Moyry Pass in the context of the all-Ireland war could be expanded, and what did the Spanish make of it? Did it encourage the Kinsale expedition? Geoffrey Fenton was a crown councillor - but was he also an officer in Mountjoy's army? BTW - the WP article on Fenton is daft.--shtove 22:51, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just did a small rewrite, which I hope is OK. Bealach na mhaighre doesn't translate as Gap of the North: can someone supply it - the way of the ....?--shtove 23:18, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, but the Pass was called The Gap of the North in the English language. Jdorney 18:33, 28 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gap of the North does what it says on the tin - no problem. But how does Bealach na mhaighre translate into English? If we had a map - much needed - how would the pass be labelled? Moyry, of course. What about the other points - Essex and Spain?--shtove 23:11, 28 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"These figures probably say more about what Mountjoy learned about the queen from Essex' experience than they represent the actual figures".

Don't understand this sentence either really. Who wrote it? Bealach na Maighre translates as "Moyry Pass", no mystery there. Re the stategic significance, I would say it didn't have an awful lot, apart from being part of Mountjoy's attritional campaign that wore down O'Neill in the end. Mountjoy put his small garrison there, which would have restricted O'Neill's movements a bit, but was it worth all the causalties he suffered? Hence stalemate imo.

Unfortunately, I don't know what the Spanish made of it. I wouldn't imagine it made much difference however, as they were planning an invasion of some sort since 1598 at least. Jdorney 14:27, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Flags, again[edit]

(1)An editor added a flag emblem to the "box" and it was reverted by JD. I have since restored it a few times and always JD reverts. Could we please have an explanation why "no flag" is appropriate for the Irish side of this war?

(2) I made an edit myself to remove (I assume good faith) pov language which suggested the British casualty figures were more credible than the Irish ones; again JD has been reverting this along with the flag reverts. An explanation here might also be more productive than edit warring. Sarah777 (talk) 15:48, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Stalemate?[edit]

So O'Neill left on Oct 8-9 and Mountjoy finally came back on the 17th, after abandoning the field and heading for a town with his army? Is anyone seriously calling that a stalemate? Strategically, it was a victory for the English logistics, O'Neill couldn't keep his army there forever so the English supply train won over the Irish raising but tactically on the battlefield it was pretty clear cut. None of those soldiers marching back to Dundalk or out of it later would have thought they had fought to a stalemate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.104.160.57 (talk) 05:38, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]