Talk:Baron Baden-Powell

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Heir[edit]

Is the 3rd barons heir his bother Hon. David Michael Baden-Powell b. 11 Dec 1940. The 3rd baron is married but I can't find any children. Alci12 08:44, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. (And Lord Baden-Powell does indeed have no children.) Proteus (Talk) 09:47, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Baronetcy[edit]

The usual style for the name of a Baronet is: "Sir Joe Bloggs, Bt." or "Sir Joe Bloggs, Bart." It is not usual to write the word "Baronet" out in full. However I am willing to let this go in an encyclopedic article as readers may not be familiar with the usual abbreviations. In addition, as a Baronetcy is hereditary (although it is not a peerage and not a knighthood), it is possible to refer to someone as the "1st Baronet" or "2nd Baronet"; however this would never usually appear in their formal style of name. See Sir Robert Baden-Powell, Bart.. -- MightyWarrior 23:37, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, if you read Wikipedia:WikiProject Peerage, you will see that on Wikipedia it is usual either to write the full form or to simply leave it out (although you're right with the correct abbreviations). The numbering helps to disambiguate between persons with the same name, to make clear that someone was the first or last baronet in a creation, or to show that just the umpteenth one baronet had done something special. Phoe 11:07, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Robert Baden-Powell, 3rd Baron Baden-Powell[edit]

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The result of this discussion was: No consensus. MaterialWorks _(talk) 20:13, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed to merge Robert Baden-Powell, 3rd Baron Baden-Powell. Noble does not mean notable. There is little if anything notable about this person. Much of the article is actually about his grandfather, the first baron and his family. The notable content of the article could be covered in this article on Baron Baden-Powell. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.42.5.170 (talk) 07:24, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Merge I support the merge. If he was not the grandson of the really notable Baden-Powell who founded the Scout Movement, he would be totally non-notable. --Bduke (talk) 22:33, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
~~Weak merge~~ Weak keep I don't have a strong opinion but I weakly think it should not be merged. Regarding wp:GNG, the references in there already bring it pretty close to established. Plus looking at his history and in view of him being mostly pre-internet, those references are probably just the tip of the iceberg. Also there is substantial material on Lady Baden-Powell in here who is also likely wp:notable, which is sort of like having her article already merged into the one under discussion, Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 22:37, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Someone pointed out my self-conflicting post and I fixed it. North8000 (talk) 13:38, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

MergeThere may be tips of icebergs but the icebergs are other family and organizations with which he was connected.

After re-organizing the information and editing to make the subject the focus, there appears to be some substance to the article but on critical examination, there is really little of notability that could not be made in a brief entry in the Baron Baden-Powell article. Looking at each statement as to whether it is notable or not, there is not a single statement that makes this person notable.115.42.6.87 (talk) 23:45, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Do not merge the article is sourced, and I believe it is notable. --evrik ^(talk) 22:18, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have no strong opinion, as yet, on the notability of this individual. I would just like to note to the closer that the two IP users above are almost certainly the same individual, and therefore should count as only one vote/opinion. Boynamedsue (talk) 06:55, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose merge proposal; clear notability though vice-president of Scouting for 38 years, on top of everything else. Klbrain (talk) 11:14, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Addenum: Noble does not mean notable is catchy, but I'm not sure that it is consistent with policy. WP:ANYBIO include The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, and the 1962 award of a baronetcy would seem to be significant. That the award was based on a policy of British crown to award this on the basis of heredity might be distasteful, but such distaste is a point of view. Klbrain (talk) 12:16, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment this has been open a while now. Can an involved editor please close these nominations as, "not successful? --evrik ^(talk) 19:45, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge Peter Baden-Powell, 2nd Baron Baden-Powell[edit]

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The result of this discussion was: Not merged. MaterialWorks _(talk) 20:24, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed to merge Peter Baden-Powell, 2nd Baron Baden-Powell. Noble does not mean notable. There is nothing notable about this person. He was born, went to school, dropped-out of army officer training, worked for just eleven years, inherited a title, was feted with a few positions for the title and being his father's son, and died. Other than being the son of someone notable (and a disappointment at that) and inheriting a title, there is nothing notable about him. The content of this article could be covered in this article on Baron Baden-Powell.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.42.5.133 (talk • contribs) 21:30, April 5, 2022 (UTC)

Do not merge the article is sourced, and I believe it is notable.--evrik ^(talk) 13:23, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Do not merge Is suitably sourced and thus wp:notable. The merge proposal post is using a non-wikipedian meaning of wp:notable and thus an invalid basis for the proposal. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 13:42, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Merge I support the merge. If he was not the son of the really notable Baden-Powell who founded the Scout Movement, he would be totally non-notable.--Bduke (talk) 08:53, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose merge, on the grounds that independent notability is established through the referencing, and through recognition by independent bodies: Mercers company and Royal Society of Arts fellowship. Readers are best served by keeping separate pages for separate members of the family. Klbrain (talk) 11:12, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment this has been open a while now. Can an involved editor please close these nominations as, "not successful? --evrik ^(talk) 19:45, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge Michael Baden-Powell, 4th Baron Baden-Powell[edit]

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The result of this discussion was: Not merged. MaterialWorks _(talk) 20:24, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed to merge Michael Baden-Powell, 4th Baron Baden-Powell. Noble does not mean notable. There is nothing notable about this person. He was born, went to school, worked in menial jobs, migrated, married, had children, inherited a title, was feted for what little was left of the cachet of the title and being his grandfather's grandson. Other than being the grandson of someone notable and inheriting a title, there is nothing notable about him. The content of this article could be covered in this article on Baron Baden-Powell.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.42.5.133 (talk • contribs) 21:30, April 5, 2022 (UTC)

Do not merge the article is sourced, and I believe it is notable. --evrik ^(talk) 13:23, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Do not merge Is suitably sourced and thus wp:notable. The merge proposal post is using a non-wikipedian meaning of wp:notable and thus an invalid basis for the proposal. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 13:43, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Merge I support the merge. If he was not the great grandson of the really notable Baden-Powell who founded the Scout Movement, he would be totally non-notable. --Bduke (talk) 08:54, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment this has been open a while now. Can an involved editor please close these nominations as, "not successful? --evrik ^(talk) 19:45, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.