Talk:Baildon Steelworks

Link to 20th Century Press Archives folder

Hi @Henry chianski: I had added an external link

• Documents and clippings about Baildon Steelworks in the 20th Century Press Archives of the ZBW

which you removed with a hint to WP:NONENGEL. The press archives collected sources from hundreds of newspapers from many countries, so I suppose that missing clippings in English could be an indication of missing press coverage in English speaking countries. (Probably there was press coverage in Poland, as there was a public dispute in which the Polish government was involved, but such sources are missing in the PM20 folder). Since this item has no sources in English, and it may be difficult to find any, I still think it could be helpful to have the link here, and I'd kindly ask you to reconsider. Cheers, Caroca2 (talk) 14:28, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi. Let's see what others think. I was just trying to enforce Wiki's standards, since people tend to add all kinds of external links to articles. I do see the potential primary-source relevance of this archive (I don't read German so I can't really know) but I wonder if it can be used as a source, with in-line citations, instead of just an external link? That would then fall within Wiki guidelines, though obviously some English sources would be preferable. Happy New Years! — Henry chianski (talk) 17:55, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Henry chianski: Nobody else has chimed in, so how to proceed? Could this be considered a case as mentioned in WP:NONENGEL, "when the link is to the subject's text in its original language"? The hut was founded in at that time Germany, came to Poland following the plebiscite of 1921, and was incorporated under Polish law, but with German captial in 1922. After the Nazi occupation it was declared German again, up to 1942, when the material ends.

That for sure is an interesting story to write about. But I am not a business historian, and I'm not sure what certain facts really mean. (E.g., in the annual reports I found that Hjalmar Schacht, the former and later president of the Reichsbank, and one of the most influential supporters of Adolf Hitler on his way to power, was member of the board.) The whole issue was politically loaded, and I hesitate the write about this only based on German material, or link to a selected documents where I feel not confident enought to put them in context. So I'd suggest to link to the folder, and hope that somebody else will dive into it, perhaps with additional sources. Caroca2 (talk) 20:14, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Gotcha. I think you're right to include it — hopefully a German speaker can go through and try to pull specific citations from it. I get your hesitation, with all the political ongoings (also, maybe a German history expert could help sort out whether any news sources are biased). Thanks for digging in as much as you did! — Henry chianski (talk) 20:38, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the encouragement, and for keeping an eye on the standards in the first place! Caroca2 (talk) 21:30, 7 January 2018 (UTC)