Talk:Bad Girl (Madonna song)

Bad Girl hit number 5 on Canadian Charts

As an avid Canadian Chart fanatic, Madonna's "Bad Girl" Hit number 5 not number 20 as previously stated. Go to mad-eyes.net or just google it! I changed it on here and on the Discography page! Jdcrackers (talk) 00:56, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

@Jdcrackers: too late of a response but worth trying, what is your source for the #5 position? The source from RPM shows the peak as number 20. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 04:32, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Ok that's been almost a decade. I guess 20 it is!

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 07:25, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Yet again we are brought together on a review! --K. Peake 07:25, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Pipe "Fever" to Fever (Madonna song) per MOS:LINK2SECT
• The R&B genre is not sourced anywhere in the body
• Pettibone → Shep Pettibone under producers, as this is an infobox not a track listing
• Add a comma after fifth studio album
• "It was written" → "The song was written"
• Remove the B-side from the lead since it is not notable enough to be here
• Earlier on in the sentence discussing the song's lyrics, mention notable info about its composition i.e. it being a ballad
• "with some noting it was a departure" → "with some noting a departure" to be less wordy
• "a lukewarm reception: in the United States, it became" → "a lukewarm reception. In the United States, it reached number 36, becoming"
• "It fared better in the UK," → "The song fared better in the United Kingdom," and you should also mention the countries where it was a top 3 hit
• "played Louise Oriole," → "plays Louise Oriole,"
• Wikilink Manhattan
• "Actor Christopher Walken played" → "Christopher Walken plays"
• "most "cinematic" and noting tropes and" → "most "cinematic", as well as noting tropes and" but the "cinematic" quote is only used by one critic from what is cited
• Remove late-night live television show introduction to Saturday Night Live

 Done

Background and recording

• Remove overly obvious wikilink on New York City
• ""Thief of Hearts" and" → ""Thief of Hearts", and"
• Should the "book full of lyrics and melody ideas" be mentioned here like it is in this section for "Deeper and Deeper"?

IDK, you tell me? Should I include it?

Probably, as there is no difference in context for its inclusion in that article as there would be here. --K. Peake 08:27, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

• Pipe SM57 to Shure SM57
• Pipe melancholic to Melancholia
• [8] should at the end of the first sentence with a Shimkin quote too since you need to re-cite for any using quotations

What do you mean?=

The "Similarly, Shimkin said that..." sentence needs [8] at the end as well because it includes a quote. --K. Peake 08:27, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

• "along with album track" → "along with fellow album track"
• The source uses the term "highly emotional" for the song instead of what you have quoted

Care to elaborate?

The allegedly quoted part "really deep personal attachment" is not mentioned by the source, while the above one is. --K. Peake 08:27, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

I have added the "really deep personal..." source

• "expose herself emotionally"." → "expose herself emotionally."" per MOS:QUOTE on full sentences

 Done

Composition

• Retitle to Composition and lyrics
• "personnel working on the song" → "Personnel working on the song" to avoid a run-on sentence
• Pipe mixing to Audio mixing (recorded music)
• Pipe mastering to Mastering (audio)
• After the personnel, the prose is quite poorly ordered; you should follow with musical info, then vocals and finally lyrics
• The lyrics mentioned in the article for the refrain do not match what the source says on either occasion, also mention what they mean after writing them for the audio sample text and wikilink refrain
• Keep the melancholic, "somber, guilt-ridden" ballad parts in the first sentence, adding before them "Musically, "Bad Girl" is a" with the genres sourced and moving the subject matter to the proposed lyrics area of this section
• Pipe ballad to Sentimental ballad
• "the Erotica album: "the pain" → "Erotica of "the pain" and all of the parts from here onwards apart from the vocal range and Larry Flick commentary belong in lyrics
• "through self-destructive behaviors such as" → "through behaviors such as" per the source
• "that Madonna's vocals were" → "that Madonna's vocals are"
• Pipe synths to Synthesizer

I think it's  Done; I wasn't sure about point two, but I think it has been covered. Waiting for @Kyle Peake:'s response--Christian (talk) 21:19, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Release and critical reception

• Retitle to Release and reception, as the last para is retrospective reviews
• "synonymous with passion"." → "synonymous with passion."" per MOS:QUOTE on full sentences
• Pipe Billboard to Billboard (magazine) on the quote box
• "and most European countries," → "and numerous European countries," per only three being sourced; only keep as it is if you can find a source stating the song was released in most European countries
• "on March 11 with "Fever" as its" → "on March 11, with "Fever" as the" with the pipe per MOS:LINK2SECT
• "Upon release, it was generally" → "Upon release, "Bad Girl" was generally"
• "Larry Flick highlighted its" → "Flick highlighted its"
• "Carol Benson and Allan Metz pointed out" → "Benson and Metz pointed out"
• "pointed out that it's a song in which the singer recognizes" → "pointed out that the song sees the singer recognize"
• "of her own personality"." → "of her own personality.""
• "and opined that "simply" → "and opined, "Simply"
• "any listener's heart"." → "any listener's heart.""
• "from the Sun Sentinel, Madonna's" → "from the Sun-Sentinel, noted Madonna's" with the wikilink, but the quote is not sourced
• "of track, which he referred to as "sappy", and opined" → "of the track, referring to it as "sappy" and opining"
• "named it Madonna's" → "named the song Madonna's"
• "it's the single that" → "it is the single that"
• "said it was the" → "said the track is the"
• "who felt it was a" → "who felt the track is a"
• "It was considered a" → "The song was considered a"
• "It has also been" → ""Bad Girl" has also been"
• "opined that it" → "opined that the song"
• "considered it to be" → "considered the song to be"

 Done

Chart performance

• Retitle to Commercial performance
• "at number 36 the week" → "at number 36 on the week"
• "the Sex book and" → "the Sex book, and"
• Add the release year of Body of Evidence
• "AllMusic's Jose F. Promis felt that" → "Promis felt that"
• "On the Hot 100 components" → "On the Hot 100 component charts"
• "number 44 and 36," → "numbers 44 and 36,"
• "Dance Singles Sales, and came in at 46" → "Dance Singles Sales chart, and came in at number 46"
• "and peaked at number ten" → "and peaked at number 10" per MOS:NUM
• "in the United Kingdom as of 2008." → "in the UK as of 2008."
• Chart positions should be in geographical order like you did the first para while still mentioning correlation of positions if it is relevant, so write the European ones first in the second para followed by the other continents in either order
• ARIA singles chart → ARIA Singles Chart, piping to ARIA Charts
• "eventually peaking at 32 and remaining" → "eventually peaking at number 32 and lasting for"
• "It fared better in" → "The song fared better in" if this sentence is kept in the new order
• Why are the Ireland and Switzerland positions not mentioned here?

 Done

Music video

Background and synopsis

• It is not sourced anywhere in prose that the video was Madonna's last collab with the director, though mention it in the first sentence per that source. Also, the Manhattan shooting location is not backed up.
• "in cinematography and Jeffrey Beecroft" → "in cinematography, and Jeffrey Beecroft"
• "In it, Madonna plays" → "In the video, Madonna plays"
• "played the role of" → "plays the role of"
• "being "kind of fun"." → "being "kinda fun"." per the source
• "Rob Campbell and Matt Dillon also appeared on" → "Rob Campbell, and Matt Dillon also appear in"
• "played a police detective," → "plays a police detective,"
• Remove pipe on alcholic
• "she's watched over by her guardian angel." → "her guardian angel watches over her."
• "and tosses it to" → "and tosses the note to"
• "picks it up revealing its content:" → "picks it up, revealing the content:"
• "Louise picks up" → "Louise Oriole picks up" per this not being a real name
• Pipe breath freshener to Mouthwash
• "is sprayed and the angel" → "is sprayed, and the angel"
• "murdered Louise with" → "murdered Louise Oriole with"
• "shows Louise and" → "shows Louise Oriole and"

I decided not to add the Oriole surname everytime the Louise character is mentioned, as it's stablished on the 1st paragraph and looks redundant. Other than that  Done --Christian (talk) 15:49, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Reception and analysis

• Wikilink music video on the img text
• Any thematic order for the first para?
• "named it Madonna's" → "named the visual Madonna's"
• "ranked it her" → "ranked the video her"
• "is one of her best"." → "is one of her best."" per MOS:QUOTE on full sentences
• "and the directing: "[Fincher directs] her" → "and the directing, writing that "[Fincher directs] her"
• "Adam White said it was Fincher's "most important venture": A" → "White said it was Fincher's "most important venture", a" but why is this separate from the rest of his commentary?

Adam White's article touches many different points of the video; answering your first point: I decided to put first the critical reception towards the clip (rankings of Madonna's videos/critical reviews); the second paragraph covers all academic and analytical commentary.

Why is he mentioned not only on two occasions in the first para then, but you also use his full name twice there? Either way, make sure the level of direct quoting is cut down. --K. Peake 08:27, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Like so?--Christian (talk) 15:52, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

• "David Denby deemed it a" → "David Denby deemed the music video a"
• "The police discovering" → "the police discovering"
• "Adam White compared the" → "White compared the"
• Mention the release year of Gone Girl as being 2014
• Should you be using signified or signifies for correct tense really?
• "Her black dress in" → "her black dress in"

 Done

Live performances and covers

• Retitle to Live performance and cover versions
• "yelled "fight the" → "yelled, "Fight the"
• "This was a reference to Sinéad O'Connor," → "This echoed Sinéad O'Connor,"
• "The HuffPost considered this one of" → "HuffPost considered the appearance one of"
• "and Justin Myers said it" → "and Myers said it"
• "Amanda Ghost and James Hardway, was" → "Amanda Ghost, and James Hardway was"
• "Rock covers by Cruzer and Strike a Pose can be found" → "Covers by Cruzer and Strike a Pose were included"
• Add the term respectively after the two albums

 Done

Track listing

• Pipe "Fever" to Fever (Madonna song) per MOS:LINK2SECT

 Done

Credits and personnel

• Good

Charts

Weekly charts

• Pipe Eurochart Hot 100 to European Hot 100 Singles

 Done

Year-end charts

• Good

References

• Copyvio score looks weak at 43.2%; fix overquoting of The Independent to resolve this
• Wikilink Madonna on ref 10
• Fix MOS:CAPS issues with ref 28
• Remove wikilink on Madonna for ref 54
• Fix MOS:CAPS issues and wikilink Los Angeles Times on ref 57
• WP:OVERLINK of HuffPost on ref 73
• WP:OVERLINK of Music Week on ref 96

 Done --K. Peake 19:57, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Bibliography

• Pipe Music Sales Group to Wise Music Group
• Wikilink Rowman & Littlefield

It's piped for the Mark Bego reference.

 Done

Final comments and verdict

•  On hold until all of the issues are fixed; this went quicker than I expected! --K. Peake 20:25, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

I have some questions/comments @Kyle Peake: --Christian (talk) 02:53, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Chrishm21 Thank you, I have left responses in those areas now! --K. Peake 08:27, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

@Kyle Peake: I'm almost done with this; should fix the remaining points later on, or tomorrow. I have some questions regarding your points in the composition section tho.--Christian (talk) 18:39, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

What points since the questions have not been asked? --K. Peake 20:36, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

I forgot to include them 😅 my bad haha--Christian (talk) 21:26, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

• Chrishm21 The lyrics on the audio sample are still not mentioned by the used source, also the quoting level from White has been cut down a decent amount but why is he still mentioned twice in one para? --K. Peake 07:06, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

@Kyle Peake: JD Considine source covers the lyrics mentioned on the sample; also, an author can't be mentioned twice in one same paragraph? Or what do youmean?--Christian (talk) 16:56, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

• Chrishm21 The lyrics mentioned on the text are different from what the source says and I thought one para was for reception, the other for analysis? --K. Peake 07:36, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

@Kyle Peake: Hello! I've used the JD Considine Baltimore Sun for both; it talks about the song's themes ("uses drunken debauchery as a mask for her pain"), and also gives a review by referring to it as "sobering as it is sad". It mentions the lyric "Bad girl/drunk by six/ kissing some kind stranger's lips"--Christian (talk) 11:55, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

• Chrishm21 Loading the archive for the Baltimore Sun, the themes and sobering part are sourced, but the lyrics say "Bad girl, drunk by 6/Kissing someone else's lips"; are the different ones written on the original since I live in the UK so cannot access that? --K. Peake 19:57, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
• @Kyle Peake: the lyrics mentioned on the source are the ones mentioned on the audio sample/section--Christian (talk) 20:30, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

• @Chrishm21: You failed to address my point; why does the archive mention different lyrics instead then?? --K. Peake 06:29, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

• @Kyle Peake: Hello! Oh are you talking about the audio file? It *does* mention the lyrics from the source; it also mentions other lyrics, but the ones from the Baltimore Sun are mentioned. Is this what you mean?--Christian (talk) 12:41, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

• @Chrishm21: No, I have said multiple time ARCHIVE as in for the Baltimore Sun URL; why does this list different lyrics from what are mentioned in prose? If you fail to address again, I may very well have to edit this myself. --K. Peake 13:45, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
• @Kyle Peake: Ah hahah my bad 😅🙊😳 I think I've corrected it now.--Christian (talk) 18:35, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

• ✓ Pass now, thanks for finally understanding that one point haha! --K. Peake 08:07, 12 June 2022 (UTC)