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Joseph Bonaparte[edit]

My version
His version = Note wrong legion of honour (Imperial Eagle instead of Napoleon's Face)

My version
His version = Note wrong legion of honour (Imperial Eagle instead of Napoleon's Face)

Both of Miguillen's versions are also of lesser quality. Adelbrecht (talk) 21:04, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the coat of Joseph Bonaparte can say that this is made pursuant to a written source which describes the collar of the Legion of Honour. As the royal decree that established it

Articulo1º Las armas de la Corona en adelante constarán de un escudo dividido en seis cuarteles, el primero de los cuales será el de Castilla; el segundo el de León; el tercero el de Aragón; el cuarto el de Navarra; el quinto el de Granada y el sexto el de las Indias, representado este, según la antigua costumbre por dos globos y dos columnas; y en el centro de todos estos cuarteles se sobrepondrá por escudete el águila que distingue a nuestra Imperial y Real familia

Articulo 2º - Todos nuestros ministros, cada uno en la parte que le toca, estando enterados de esta disposición, se arreglaran a ella y cuidaran de su ejecución. Dado en Vitoria a 12 de Julio de 1808. - Yo el Rey. - Por su Majestad, su ministro de Estado. Mariano Luis De Urquijo. -
- El escudo tiene la siguiente descripción;
- Corona. Real
- Manto de armiño.
- Castilla. Castillo de oro sobre rojo.
- León. León rojo, con corona de oro, sobre plata
- Aragón. Cuatro palos rojos sobre oro.
- Navarra. Cadena de oro sobre rojo.
- Granada. Hojas y tallo de oro, sobre plata, se ve el fruto interior rojo
- Ultra mar. Dos mundos de plata, dos columnas de plata con base y capitel de oro, con cintas rojas y la inscripción Plus a la derecha y Ultra a la izquierda. Todo sobre celeste
- Bonaparte. Águila de oro sobre azul-
- Collar del Toysón de oro. Todo de oro excepto las llamas y los eslabones que son rojos.
- Collar de la Legión de Honor. Cinta roja. Cruz de plata, con centro azul. Son de oro la anilla que sujeta, el águila central, la corona de laurel y el borde de la cruz.
- Cetros. De oro.

Translation

Article 1 No weapons Crown henceforth consist of a shield divided into six quarters, the first of which is that of Castile, the second of Leon, the third that of Aragon, the fourth of Navarre, the fifth that of Granada and the sixth that of India, represented that according to ancient custom by two balloons and two columns, and in the heart of these barracks will overcome by the eagle shield that distinguishes our Imperial and Royal Family

Article 2 - All of our ministers, each in her part, being aware of this provision, under it and take care of his execution. Given in Vitoria to July 12, 1808. - Yo el Rey. - For Her Majesty, the Minister of State. Mariano Luis De Urquijo. -
- The shield has the following description;
- crown. Royal
- mantle of ermine.
- Castilla. Golden castle on red.
- Leon. Red lion with golden crown on silver
- Aragón. Four sticks red on gold.
- Navarre. Gold chain on red.
- Granada. Leaves and stems of gold, silver bullion, the fruit is red interior
- Ultra Tues Two worlds of silver, two silver columns with base and capital of gold, with red ribbons and enrollment Plus Ultra right and left. All about blue
- Bonaparte. Gold eagle on blue-
- Toysón gold necklace. All gold except the flames and the links that are red.
- Collar of the Legion of Honor. Red tape. Silver cross with blue center. They are holding a gold ring, the central eagle, the laurel wreath and the edge of the cross.
- Rods. Gold.

Source:[1] [2] In this case there is a clear written sources define this shield at least as it was interpreted that medal in this case as everything else is original research. Greetings.Miguillen (talk) 00:01, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I guess your source is wrong, Miguillen. The bottom right part of the shield is wrong in all versions, according to your source. And your versions still are of lower quality. Adelbrecht (talk) 06:51, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The source is correct since it reproduces the decree. Keep in mind that one thing are the original versions and other reproduction heraldry and possibly multiple variants is that medal. The quality can only be measured based on the resolution and both are in svg format or the quality and proportion of the figures in this case there is no difference. There are only differences in the colors used and the use of shadow relief effect that contravenes the rules and heraldic tradition of medieval art, without breaking the uniformity of all designs.Miguillen (talk) 11:53, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's possible that this is an official decree, but even then the Legion d'Honneur is wrong. It's very strange that the rear of the order is shown instead of the front. The "relief" effect is not against the "rules", and I've given a link to examples on your talk page. Adelbrecht (talk) 16:08, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The mechanical translation to English has numerous errors; would it be worthwhile to correct them? —Tamfang (talk) 17:31, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Respect latest changes more complete galery[edit]

Please, don't rever latest version it is more complete galery, these arms didn't appear at previous versions:

Coat of arms of Charles I
(1516-1520)
Coat of arms of Charles I
(1520-1530)
Coat of arms of Philip II
(1556-1558)

Joseph Bonaparte arms order also corrected, an eagle is showed on the cross of the order, No reasons to revert.

Correct version, with the eagle at the cross order

Also it is the wider heraldic style used at the English Wikipedia, so the heraldic galeries share the same design.

Please, not delete again don´t wars of edition, Solid arguments for latest version are showed

if one user wants to rever please : use the dispute resolution guidelines.

--Galico (talk) 16:59, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merge From Coats of arms of the autonomous communities of Spain[edit]

This list includes all of Coats of arms of the autonomous communities of Spain. Should it instead point there, or should the latter be deleted? —Tamfang (talk) 03:07, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

--Galico (talk) 18:16, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree Tinynanorobots (talk) 00:15, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Military Armorial[edit]

Who grants arms to units of the Spanish Armed Forces? 179.208.240.220 (talk) 23:43, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]