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The Hyperion[edit]

The Production Details section of the article states that this was the episode that introduced the Hyperion Hotel to the series. The hotel actually first appears in the season premiere, "Judgment", when Angel and the pregnant woman are fleeing from a number of demons. It is from there that Angel sends the woman off to Cordelia's house and then stays to fight the two pursuing demons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scotty insano (talk • contribs) 15:34, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Arc significance

  • Angel decides to make the Hyperion Hotel the new headquarters of Angel Investigations
  • The bookshop owner reappears in "Reprise," where he states that Angel's attempts to kill the demon changed his opinion on the potential for good in the world. He is then distraught when Angel informs him he allowed the demon to wreak havoc, though Angel doesn't explain why.
  • The Thesulac demon mentions that Wesley is especially paranoid foreshadowing Wesley's actions when he grows distant from the group and kidnaps Connor after Sahjahn is able to manipulate his paranoia of Angel once again turning into Angelus.

Cultural references

  • Psycho: Angel's opening line, "sixty eight rooms, sixty eight vacancies", is an allusion to Alfred Hitchcock's 1960 suspense / horror classic, Psycho, where Norman Bates tells Marion Crane, "twelve rooms, twelve vacancies", to illustrate how the Bates Motel is no longer a popular stopping point. Also, Judy's back-story is very similar to Marion's: both are running from the law with stolen money and boyfriend troubles, both are attempting to hide in a hotel / motel, and both are being investigated by a PI. As well, in the middle of the episode, Cordelia cites a newspaper clipping about Judy with the headline, "Fugitive Woman Believed Dead". Cordelia says that Judy was being tracked by federal authorities for stealing money, checked into the hotel, and then was never heard from again. All this is another allusion to Marion, about whom that same narrative applied, and who was knifed to death by "mother" Bates in an infamous shower scene.
  • Vertigo: Judy is also the name that Kim Novak's character takes after changing her identity in this Alfred Hitchcock film. She also tells Jimmy Stewart that she grew up in Salina, Kansas the same place where the Judy from this episode grew up.
  • The Shining: Angel stays in Room 217 at the Hyperion Hotel. Room 217 is the haunted hotel room at the Overlook in Stephen King's The Shining.
  • Chinatown: The detective that arrives at the Hyperion Hotel is named C. Mulvihill, a nod to a character named Claude Mulvihill in Roman Polanski's film noir classic, Chinatown. The bandage on his nose is an extension of the same allusion.
  • The Yellow Wallpaper: Angel's comment, "Maybe it was the wallpaper that drove him crazy," is reminiscent of "The Yellow Wallpaper," another story dealing with insanity. This short story tells of a woman who develops psychosis while taking the rest cure prescribed by her doctor. She believes the confinement is causing her to go mad, specifically the yellow wallpaper in her room, which is the only thing she has to look at. This may also be an allusion to the last words attributed to Oscar Wilde: "either the wallpaper goes or I do." They were said as he lay in a cheap hotel, abandoned by his family and friends and hounded by the law, because he was gay.
  • Imitation of Life: Judy's character has been passing for a white girl since a teenager but is actually of mixed origin, just like the character Peola and Sarah Jane in the original and the remake.
  • THX 1138: The phrase "Are you now, or have you ever been?" is the opening line of dialogue used by the chrome police robots while they interrogate and torture the main character THX 1138, played by Robert Duvall.

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