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relationship with the PRD since the election

The American and European media has been reporting on and off that the PRD is increasingly distancing itself from López Obrador, seeing him as somewhat of an embarrassment; for example, 5 of 6 PRD state governors skipped his protest rally on the anniversary of the disputed election, and the PRD legislators have ignored his call to boycott the government and refuse to negotiate with Calderón. The article doesn't currently mention anything about this relationship; perhaps something should be added? --Delirium 09:58, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Grupo Reforma

In the "reactions to the legitimate presidency" section, I eliminated the parenthesis that stated right wing newspaper refering to Grupo Reforma. Anyone who reads the paper can notice their columnists and editorialists are all over the political map. It is strongly disingenous to state that this news source is right wing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.141.140.103 (talk) 16:11, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Legal and political controversies

I have added the {{POV}} templeate to the section since only one of the points has links to citations. Furthermore, the relation with Bejarano has not yet be confirmed, there are speculations only, but not facts, and i believe speculations should be kept as that, not stated as a truth. Besides this, the point talking that reads "López Obrador rejected the transparency laws applicable in all of México" is tendentiously used, Vicente Fox received billions of dollars due to the increases in oil prices and he did not make public where this money ended up, thus, Fox also rejected this "transparency laws applicable in all México". I strongly suggest to keep the article the most accurate and neutral as possible, not just adding and keeping conjectures without the enough basis to sustain them. An example of this would be the case of McCain and the newspaper (I don't remember right now which) that accused him of extramarital affairs, accused but not proofs, and if any proof was presented it was not strong or believable enough to sustain the accusaion. EOZyo (мѕğ) 06:59, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Legitimate president of Mexico in the preceded/succeded by boxes removed

Since there's no real Legitimate president of Mexico figure, I removed this. Though he might claim the title, it doesn't really exist in the constitution or any reliable academic sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.141.178.51 (talk) 06:17, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I believe it should be there so we can remind him that since he already claimed to be the president of Mexico he cannot run for president in 2012. Schicchi (talk) 04:02, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I'd rather remove the legitimate presidency figure, as mentioned before it is something that he created for himself, and it Will not in any way stop him for seeking the candidacy for the presidency in 2012. Topio (talk) 18:13, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

If there is not Effective Suffrage he could run for the Presidency, although I agree that the box should be removed. EOZyo (мѕğ) 07:01, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

"Legitimate President of Mexico", this designation is purely symbolic and holds no legal force, so he can ACTUALLY run for the Presidency. Torres (мѕğ) 12:52:01, 14 Oct 2011 (UTC)

Removed his second last name

Nobody in México uses his second last name to identify himself, unless he's ashamed of his first last name. Since most political figures in México use only their first last name (Calderón, Mouriño, Cárdenas, Madrazo, Gordillo, etc.), I removed López' second last name from the article. 189.146.81.94 (talk) 02:13, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Almost nobody in Mexico calls him just 'López', he's almost universially referred to as López Obrador. In fact one of the slogans used by his movement is es un honor estar con Obrador. I'll change it back. Mixcoatl (talk) 15:01, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
The fact that nobody calls him López is completely irrelevant. Until articles on Calderón, Mourinho, Encinas, et al are changed to use both last names the point is moot. Wikipedia is a POV neutral source which needs some coherency and consistency to work, and using both last names of López isn't useful at all. I'll revert.200.38.163.132 (talk) 15:57, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
That's nonsense. Throughout the Spanish speaking world it's common to use both last names, especially when the apellido paterno is a very common one (Gonzalez, Garcia, Sanchez, Lopez). Or do you suggest we also name articles Gabriel García, José Luis Rodríguez, Manuel Ávila and José Ortega? Mixcoatl (talk)
He is referred to as López Obrador, Obrador or AMLO throughout the Spanish and English-speaking worlds. That is all. None of the examples above are the same, as none of those individuals are known by the names suggested. KenThomas (talk) 03:09, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Tone/NPOV / NPOV tag appropriate?

"Andrés Manuel López Obrador (born November 13, 1952) is a former Mexican wanna-be politician" http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Andr%C3%A9s_Manuel_L%C3%B3pez_Obrador&oldid=290191787

Is this kind of description really necessary?

Richardkselby (talk) 18:10, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, the entire article is questionable and filled with "facts" that are not facts. I will probably tag NPOV, the article could use help by a neutral editor or twenty. KenThomas (talk) 03:12, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Grossly ideological, filled with inaccuracies, unsourced, negative perspective hidden in weasel-words....

After 24 hours of thinking about it, I'm highly disappointed by this article. It's full of inaccuracies that come from ideological perspectives and interests (=POV). It's not at all neutral.

I'd like to take a stab at editing and correcting the inaccuracies and bad information, but with the caveat that I'm involved in the events and that may not be appropriate (== more of the same). It's also hard to imagine this article, without scrapping large parts that are argumentative (ie, there's an entire paragraph that argues that the electoral claims were contradictory, without evidence... jeez, you might as well say the same of Al Gore!).

A current event or other tag may be appropriate (such as the one above), but does not seem an exact perfect vehicle. The dispute here is over both facts and ideology, and is a long-term, not short-term struggle between different POVs. Regardless, the situation is heating up, so such tags may be appropriate.

Any & all comments solicited and welcome. KenThomas (talk) 22:34, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

UPDATE: I've used the deprecated tag for active Politicians here, as a way of marking. I'm going to try to clean out inaccurate/ideological info. KenThomas (talk) 23:07, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
There's also a lot of use of weasel-words etc to produce effect (usually negative) here. "Many" people "severely" criticized AMLO, for instance, for x,y,z. I've toned down the phrasing, but it's still vague. It would be better to be specific and clear, however.
The Cardenas section is clearly meant to delegitimize, however, it's not very careful. It was reported that Cardenas wanted the Presidency for his son, for instance, and rumours were that back-room deals were in play. KenThomas (talk) 23:55, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
Hello. I saw this article mentioned elsewhere on the site because of the active politician banner used on it. An alternative tag would be better. See, a long time ago we used to have many visual styles of templates like this. Gradually, we adapted into consistent standard styling. I understand the logic in your thinking, and it's fine on this Talk page, but the current banner doesn't work well on the article.
Content >>> relativeTo(importance), {visual style} ??? I'll to see what I can do... :) KenThomas (talk) 05:31, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
It's not really suitable for a few reasons: it does clash visually due to its Talk page templates style; it's oriented towards editors not readers, with references to stuff like talk-page trolling (typical readers don't care or need to know about that); and because it's not an article template, all the automatic categorization into cleanup categories which they would do don't happen. I appreciate you might not find the ordinary neutrality tag adequate, KT. There are some more specific article tags here though, which you may find suitable. Perhaps you can find one you like. Thank you for working on the article, and good luck with whipping it into shape. --92.6.202.54 (talk) 03:08, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
It's a temporary measure; it's been there barely 24 hours. Why does every bold edit on Wikipedia, result in endless flame wars, usually from those who don't look closely? Yes, I looked at the tag options before adding it. Yes, I consulted on the talk template page, waited, and thought about. And yes, I'll consider something else-- either making it hardcoded and more appropriate for the moment, alternative tags, proposing a template for similar situations, or a combo of the previous. But we can't go forward if everyone's a naysayer, if there's a rush to judgment (and knee-jerk reverts), if editors flat-out refuse to use talk pages, and it everything has to be done NOW NOW NOW RUSH RUSH. :P KenThomas (talk) 03:29, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
I've changed it to the more appropriate POV tag, as that seems to be what your primary concerns are. Singularity42 (talk) 03:32, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
I leave that change for now, as a) it's a forward edit and b) my attention will be able to remain here for a while. I do think POV is appropriate as additional editors' help could surely be needed (I admit I have a bias here, which will need to be counterbalanced if I make further edits). However I don't think the POV tag is sufficient, and don't accept the revert/change as fully ... addressing the situation. Thus I'll look for a new solution. Please take my proposed usage as a "stub." Thanks. KenThomas (talk) 03:36, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
A few thoughts - I don't have time to look at particular issues, unfortunately. As for template styles, there's a long-standing consensus that only {{ambox}}-styled templates should be used on article pages, with a decided preference for choosing from already-extant templates. As far as alternate templates you could consider, there's also {{systemic bias}} and {{POV-check}}. I'm not sure where a complete listing of the templates is, but the Wikipedia:Help Desk might know. --Philosopher Let us reason together. 06:53, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Template_messages#Article-related_namespace --NeilN talk to me 12:12, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

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Neutrality

This article makes me wanna cry, it is absolutelly tendentious, it violates the policy of neutrality, Lopez Obrador is presented as a hero or almost as a God, it must be clear first that now the majority of the mexicans believe he is a real trouble for the stability, specially the part of the TV Spot is non-relevant. This article is like a whole apologize for Obrador, its urgent to makes things clear here. User:Lefairh —Preceding comment was added at 03:26, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

I think this article is not tendentious and only facts are presented. Eleccion in 2006 are part of mexican history and today,feb 26 2011 are still a lot o people who dont know who really won in 2006. That is a fact. How do we know what the "majority of mexicans" believe about Obrador? .Again, I think this article, besides some references that are clearly on the PAN side, is enough neutral. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Newton-galileo (talk • contribs) 06:45, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Who is this people who don't know who won the election? Felipe Calderon did, whether they believe it or not is a different issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.91.75.29 (talk) 20:19, 9 March 2012 (UTC) f Despite all the protests again the fraud, there is a lot of references that demostrates that Obrador did not win and he knew it. Covarrubias informed him few minutes before 8:00 O'clock that Calderon had an advantage of 400,000 votes, after that Obrador went out to say that Covarrubias informed him of a advantage of 500,000 votes and declared himself the winner. "Así lo viví" by Luis Carlos Ugalde. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.233.37.50 (talk) 23:55, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

See immediately below. The very facts of this matter remain in substantive dispute, with each side representing a POV. Much care is needed here. KenThomas (talk) 23:57, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

I agree absolutely with the first comment. This article seems a propaganda leaflet in favor of Lopez Obrador. It must be edited in order to show facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.109.123.82 (talk) 15:34, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

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Spanish version MUCH better!

There is no comparison between the Spanish and English versions. This page should be entirely trashed, and the Spanish version translated. Considering that this guy will probably be the next president, some effort is warranted.

189.250.224.51 (talk) 17:07, 3 April 2018 (UTC) baden k.

Why don't you do it? Vincent Amadeus von Goethe (talk) 21:16, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Religion

AMLO is not a Roman Catholic, he is Christian. The importance of his religion as a public person and politician in a place like Mexico, has a lot of weight and changes supporters and other important political views such as the Mexican Constitution. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.165.164.217 (talk) 22:13, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Do you have a source for that?Gumbi93 (talk) 15:50, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
Nope, he is not. At least it's not confirmed. I think that Andres Lajous in this article from Nexos https://www.nexos.com.mx/?p=14838 say that his sister says that he is Roman Catholic. ErickHerreraAguilar

Semi-protected edit request on 3 July 2018

Change the line in the section "Election results", "On 1 July 2018, López Obrador won the 2018 presidential election in a landslide defeat against all the other candidates." The final results are still unknown therefore it can't be stated that he won the election such day, the real date will be "3 July 2018". 187.244.121.177 (talk) 04:39, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Not done: That wording matches the wording in the reliable source on the article. —KuyaBriBriTalk 13:31, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 July 2018

percentage voter turnout 2018 ? 2607:FEA8:F180:CA7:91F0:1EC2:6594:6C55 (talk) 16:48, 3 July 2018 (UTC) would I be wrong, or right in putting the voter turnout around 50% instead of posted 63 as posted. 

Thankyou john m
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —KuyaBriBriTalk 17:55, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Signature

Can someone upload his signature to be placed on his infobox? Well-know world leaders have their signature on the wikipedia infoboxes. Not sure how to do itGumbi93 (talk) 17:27, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Native americans

What is his plan about policy to Native americans?--Kaiyr (talk) 06:24, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

I've been up-to-date regarding most of his policies but I don't think he ever gave any specific policy or proposal regarding indigenous Mexicans. If anything, during his victory speech, he stated he would help the poor first, the indigenous (example:http://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-mexico-election-20180630-story.html) Hope this helpsGumbi93 (talk) 20:14, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

When did he give his reasoning on why he left the PRD?

I've found various sources with some variation of why López Obrador left the PRD. These links (http://www.mvsnoticias.com/#!/noticias/amlo-indico-que-se-salio-del-prd-porque-los-dirigentes-de-ese-partido-se-fueron-con-enrique-pena-nieto-y-traicionaron-al-pueblo-55 & https://www.excelsior.com.mx/nacional/2014/06/08/963855) are from June 2014. This one (http://www.sinembargo.mx/06-02-2014/896831) is from February 2014, with some variation of the reason he offered in the former link. This one (https://laopinion.com/2018/03/27/impunidad-y-corrupcion-apuntalaron-a-amlo-dicen-analistas/) from March 2014. I would appreciate if someone could do some accurate digging and figured what was his actual quote of why he left the PRD and when he said it.Gumbi93 (talk) 17:45, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

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When did his maternal grandfather arrive in Mexico?

I have read various sources and they all mention different years.

1913 - "su abuelo era José Obrador Revuelta, un emigrante cántabro que llegó a México en 1913, escondido en un barril y a bordo de un barco mercante." (his grandfather was José Obrador Revuelta, a Cantabrese emigrant that arrived to Mexico in 1913, hidden in a barrell and aboard a mercantile ship) (http://www.elmundo.es/loc/famosos/2018/07/07/5b3f3f24268e3ef1278b468c.html)

1930s - "Su abuelo, oriundo de la localidad española de Ampuero (Cantabria), llegó como exiliado a México en la década de los años treinta del siglo XX bajo la protección del presidente Lázaro Cárdenas" (his grandfather, originating for the Spanish locality of Ampuero (Cantabria), arrive to Mexico as an exile in the 1930s under the protect of Lazaro Cardenas) (https://web.archive.org/web/20141006113524/http://feeds.univision.com/feeds/article/2011-11-15/lopez-obrador-un-politico-combativo)

1940s - I recall seeing a source mentioning the 1940s but unfortunately I did not save it; will post it when found. Gumbi93 (talk) 20:50, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

This (last) paragraph is unclear, the topic is not continuous and is missing info.

He lived in the Casa del Estudiante Tabasco during his college years, on Violeta street in the Guerrero neighborhood of Mexico City. The institution was financed by the administration of the governor of Tabasco, Mario Trujillo García by the efforts of the poet Carlos Pellicer, whom López Obrador began to discuss with. There was empathy between the two because the young man raised his concern for the Chontal Maya. After their meeting, the poet invited him to his campaign to obtain a seat in the Senate during the 1976 elections. His university professor, Enrique González Pedrero, was another figure that influenced López Obrador's political trajectory.

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Capitalization situation

I'm assuming that the decapitalizations made to this article's intro, will also be applied to the intros of Obrador's predecessors. GoodDay (talk) 22:04, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Proposal to split article

I believe the biographical information should be separated from information about his administration, as this article is getting quite long.Michael E Nolan (talk) 05:57, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

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Opposition faction news media as References

This issue requires attention. Much biased content is justified by "references" by this links. Take advice on this topic. Thanks. --Janitor102 (talk) 04:02, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

  • @Janitor102: You might giving us concrete examples? I don't know exactly what you're talking about. MX (✉ • ✎) 14:12, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
@MX: I don't desire make counter-propaganda, but "LA Times" in this two recent edits is a perfect example: [1] [2]. --Janitor102 (talk) 19:47, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Typo

Section "Crime and the drug war": "he thenreversed himself". Would fix but it's protected. 181.231.5.213 (talk) 18:18, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

 Done © Tbhotch™ (en-3). 18:40, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

"Trump of Mexico" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Trump of Mexico. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 July 30#Trump of Mexico until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 00:56, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Opening Biography is biased and filled with grammar mistake

The opening: "is a Mexican politician currently serving as the 58th President of Mexico since 2018 and has done a great job since then. One of the most controversial ones, has been leaving the country without gasoline.because of before people would steal the gasoline but now he’s stopping a lot of that and and we know he is saving money for the country, a lot of people in government are mad of the money cuts. But I bet those people are corrupt and just want the position they have for the money and not the actual reason to help people according to reliable sources[4]"

I think this section is poorly written and filled with bias. It should be removed completely and re-written to be informative and not using poor grammer — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.249.3.147 (talk) 18:07, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

"Mexican Trump" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Mexican Trump. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 July 30#Mexican Trump until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 00:57, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 September 2020

Initial text under the subtitle "Response to the COVID-19 pandemic" has a valid reference [297] although misleading in the matter in regard.

The text below makes direct quote of said reference however, upon opening and reading the original article, it really refers to Mexico's response to 2009 swine flue pandemic and its experience with it back then as something to learn from.

"Despite the economic sacrifice, Mexico is instrumental in containing the virus, and the World Health Organization (WHO) praised Mexico’s response for its international cooperation, its effective management of the crisis, and transparency. For example, Mexico created an effective risk communication plan, launched a health promotion campaign, took measures to guarantee the supply of healthcare goods—including the reinforcement of a strategic stockpile—and promoted research and development."

It is suggested that this text be either deleted as a whole or at least explicitly expressed that it refers to an experience from another pandemic. Dio.vg (talk) 08:04, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Removed. While I agree with your analysis, it was copy-pasted from the source itself. (CC) Tbhotch™ 19:35, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 September 2020

Request to remove the following text since it is unrelated to the government's response to the COVID-19 pandemic which is the topic of the paragraph. "López Obrador's ratings on his handling of the pandemic stand at 59% disappoval, as of early June 2020.[291]" Jerri.Edits (talk) 20:48, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

 Done (CC) Tbhotch™ 15:04, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

The response to the COVID-19 pandemic in Mexico, similar to the US, has been heavily politicized by those who are in favor and against the current government. Therefore, in order to provide unbiased information on this platform, I propose to revise this paragraph and include only information corroborated by the WHO and other scientific international organizations.

“According to the Los Angeles Times, the initial response by AMLO's government was as of mid-March 2020, with a great deal of criticism. The president continued to hold rallies, be tactile with crowds, and downplay the threat of coronavirus to Mexicans' health and to the Mexican economy. When COVID-19 arrived in Mexico, the government took few steps to ramp up preparedness. The healthcare system is undergoing reforms to lessen the possibility of corruption and to shift the existing insurance system to a universal one.[297]

As of June 7, 2020, 113,619 people have contracted the virus and 13,511 have died.[298]”--Jerri.Edits (talk) 18:16, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

López or Obrador

In most places we call him "López Obrador" but there are a few places where we just call him "Obrador". Is that correct? I thought if you called someone by a single surname it was usually the paternal name, not the maternal. GA-RT-22 (talk) 00:14, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 February 2021

(This request is to revise the text under "Places named after López Obrador")

Please change “In October 2019, López Obrador said that once he leaves the presidency he wants to retire in peace and does not want any streets or statues named for him. Nonetheless, on July 18, 2020, the newspaper El Universal published a list of places that bear his name:[337]”

to

“On July 18, 2020, the newspaper El Universal published a list of places that bear his name:[337]. Nonetheless, in October 2019, López Obrador said that once he leaves the presidency he wants to retire in peace and does not want any streets or statues named for him.”

By revising the above paragraph, the reader will better comprehend the timing of events and understand that the naming of the places reported by El Universal took place years before President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador statement in October 2019. Jerri.Edits 01:09, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: we usually state things in chronological order, and I think in this case it's completely fine as written, and if anything worse when flipped around. It's very strange to say that something happened "in spite" of something that actually came *after* it, that doesn't make so much sense. Volteer1 (talk) 06:53, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 February 2021

(Request to consolidate duplicate reference)

Reference [5] and [294] cite the same document.

This correction is needed for the reader to understand that one source/article (from Enrique Krauze) dominates President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador wikipedia page. Jerri.Edits (talk) 00:33, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

 Done. Volteer1 (talk) 06:59, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 February 2021 (2)

(Request to add text under “Response to the COVID-19 pandemic”)

Add the following text: “In March 2020, AMLO pledged to donate a fourth of his salary to help the country weather the coronavirus crisis.”

Source: https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-07-17/mexicos-president-to-donate-part-of-salary-to-coronavirus-effort Jerri.Edits (talk) 01:10, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

 Done. I've slightly changed the wording, and that source is just copied from this Reuters article, so that's what I cited. Broadly speaking it's what you requested though. Volteer1 (talk) 07:06, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 September 2020

Request to remove the following text because it lacks the proper citation and necessary references to validate. "López Obrador's handling of the economy has not inspired private investors, and he has returned to policies favoring the state over the market." Jerri.Edits (talk) 20:25, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

[3][4]. I think there are multiple sources for this. (CC) Tbhotch™ 15:12, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

The aforementioned sources do not offer real indicators of private investment. Therefore, I propose to use indicators such as foreign direct investment (FDI) and domestic credit to private investors information from the OECD and World Bank to rewrite the text in question. "López Obrador's handling of the economy has not inspired private investors, and he has returned to policies favoring the state over the market."--Jerri.Edits (talk) 17:46, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. We can't tie national indicators directly to how Obrador is personally handling the economy as there could be other variables at play. We can however cite policies that Obrador has done, which do favor state over market. If you would still like to propose changes, present your change in "change X to Y" format and cite reliable sources. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 02:40, 15 October 2020 (UTC)


Please note that my original request was to remove the quoted text ("López Obrador's handling of the economy has not inspired private investors, and he has returned to policies favoring the state over the market.") in its entirety since it lacks the proper citation and necessary references for the reader to authenticate. Contrary to what it is suggested in this comment response (“We can't tie national indicators directly to how Obrador is personally handling the economy as there could be other variables at play.”), President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador is not “personally” handling the economy. In his capacity as the head of the Mexican government, President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador has the capacity to implement fiscal policy which can indeed influence the country’s economy. If the intent is to cite policies that President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador has implemented to “favor state over the market”, then the text in question is out of context and shall be deleted immediately since it is misleading and bias. Jerri.Edits (talk) 00:43, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Please don't file duplicate requests; they will not get answered faster. I've marked this one as closed and will let somebody else answer the more recent (and better formatted) one. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 15:24, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Just reactivating this talk/request since it has been dormant for a while.

Please remove the text below since it lacks the proper citation and necessary references to validate. "López Obrador's handling of the economy has not inspired private investors, and he has returned to policies favoring the state over the market."

Without proper citation, the above text can be categorized as speculation which is of no value to the reader. Jerri.Edits (talk) 18:56, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: According to the page's protection level you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. @Jerri.Edits: You have made so many requests on this page over such a long time that you are now autoconfirmed. —Belwine (talk) 19:37, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 March 2021

(Request to add text at the end of the paragraph titled "Anti-corruption")

Despite the criticism, Lopez Obrador’s anti-corruption strategy has produce tangible results. Since Lopez Obrador took office in 2018, Mexico has moved up in the Corruption Perception Index, ranking 124 (of 179 Countries) in 2020, five places above Russia. https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2020/index/mex Jerri.Edits (talk) 04:18, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: Synthesizing different sources - questions about the effectiveness of his anti-corruption efforts and Mexico's placing on the Corruption Perceptions Index - is considered original research, so it wouldn't be appropriate to add. We might be able to add a standalone statement about Mexico's changing CPI rank, but having a look they've gone up a couple of places, I don't think that's particularly significant and it would certainly be original research to imply that AMLO had anything to do with it. Volteer1 (talk) 04:32, 7 March 2021 (UTC)


I have included two reliable sources (El Universal and Forbes Mexico) which corroborate the proposed text above.

https://www.eluniversal.com.mx/nacion/mexico-avanza-en-lucha-contra-corrupcion-sfp

https://www.forbes.com.mx/politica-mexico-baja-corrupcion-peor-pais-ocde/

Both El Universal and Forbes Mexico point out that Mexico in fact climbed 6 places in the CPI rank, just in the last year (from 2019 to 2020).

The latest data from Transparency International signals a positive shift from a negative trend in terms of corruption that reached the lowest point at the start of AMLO’s administration when Mexico ranked 138 (of 180 countries) (https://take-profit.org/en/statistics/corruption-index/mexico/). Whether the improvement in CPI rank from 138, in 2018, to 124, in 2020 (a total improvement of 14 places in the CPI rank in two years) is directly attributed to AMLO’s anti-corruption strategy may be debatable by some readers. However, the reader should never the less be presented with the information above so that he/she can reach his/her own conclusion. Jerri.Edits (talk) 18:02, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

I hope this is not seen as a duplicate request, I am simply trying to reactivate this talk/request.Jerri.Edits (talk) 01:26, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

 Not done. We need a reference explicitly saying Mexico moved up because of AMLO. Without it, it is synthesis. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 03:38, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Here is a direct quote on this subject:

"Irma Eréndira Sandoval, head of the Public Function, assured that the advance of six places in Mexico in the Corruption Perception Index (CPI) 2020 of Transparency International is "clear proof" that the policies promoted by the government to recover the commonwealth over the private interest are paying off." https://www.eluniversal.com.mx/nacion/mexico-avanza-en-lucha-contra-corrupcion-sfp Jerri.Edits (talk) 18:47, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Please incorporate the direct quote above into the "Anti-corruption" paragraph. Jerri.Edits (talk) 19:03, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: According to the page's protection level you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. You have made so many requests on this page over such a long time that you are now autoconfirmed. —Belwine (talk) 19:37, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
Also, AMLO employees are not reliable sources for qualifying AMLO's government. (CC) Tbhotch™ 23:59, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 May 2021

I would like to upload a more recent picture for this article. Emikegtz (talk) 02:01, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: Please make your request for a new image to be uploaded to Files For Upload. Once the file has been properly uploaded, feel free to reactivate this request to have the new image used. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 02:28, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Proofreading suggestion & Correction

"Foreign Policy" During his presidential election victory speech, he stated, "We will be friends of all the world’s people and governments. The principles of non-intervention, self-determination and the peaceful settlement of disputes will be applied again."[266]

Please consider replacing the top paragraph with the revision I made on the bottom.


López Obrador reiterated his commitment to non-interventionism with the statement he made during his presidential victory speech, "We will be friends of all the world's people and governments. The principles of non-intervention, self-determination, and the peaceful settlement of disputes will be applied again."[266]

-Charlize

 Done (CC) Tbhotch™ 20:26, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 August 2021

It is necessary to upload a more recent main image. Emikegtz (talk) 14:35, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. --Ferien (talk) 16:15, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Lower casing in infobox

A discussion at WP:AN is occurring, which may affect this article's subject & its predecessors. Input would be appreciated. GoodDay (talk) 22:58, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 October 2021

2603:8081:1E00:516:D8CC:6567:37AF:B8C (talk) 21:27, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

For my school work!!!

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. Cannolis (talk) 22:22, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Observacion

No esta bien que nos refieramos a region as como pueblos indigenas, somos pueblos NATIVOS, el termino indigenas es un termino que usaron los conquistadores para estigmatisar todas estas culturas, se debe cambiar el termino indigenas por otro que sea mucho mas honroso para todos eston pueblos que son la cultura de Mexico, saludos 73.162.184.214 (talk) 03:22, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Unsourced bias

"López Obrador's handling of the economy has not inspired private investors, and he has returned to policies favoring the state over the market." I strongly recommend this line is removed, or revised. It is not appropriate to unequivocally state that Lopez Obrador's handling of the economy is the single cause of reduction of private investment, even if supported by sources, due to the myriad of economic conditions causing decline. Furthermore, the structure of the sentence suggests a pro-market bias over state. Francisbishopdown (talk) 20:08, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Afirmar lo que dijo en su discurso

No descriminar, hay que empezar por cambiar el termino indigenas por uno que sea mucho mas dingo para estas culturas ya que son las raices del pueblo de Mexico, el ternino indigena es un estigma que nos dieron los invasores. 73.162.184.214 (talk) 03:32, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

This is not a forum. (CC) Tbhotch™ 22:18, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Obrador Redirect

It seems that Obrador redirects here. Given that the page Obrador (surname) exitsts, I think it would be useful to add a notice like "Obrador redirects here. For a list of other people with the same surname, see Obrador (surname)" or something like that. FranzBarron (talk) 13:31, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

 Done (CC) Tbhotch™ 22:18, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Femicides

These are the number of homicides of women in Mexico during AMLO’s term:

2018: 3752 [1]/

2019: 3874 [2]

2020: 3723 [3]

2021: 3462 [4]

"Femicide" only became part of the Código Penal Federal in 2012, and state governments have begun adopting the term to varying degrees, which is a main reason for its rapid increase (and notable disparities across states).

It's not difficult to imagine a situation where "femicide" gradually becomes a legal concept in a country like the United States, where its reporting can lead to a perceived increase in violence against women that, more precisely, reflects changes in the way violence is measured. Which is apt of course, but can be misleading when making comparisons on how different administrations have dealt with violence against women in times before the concept existed.

The use of the term has had its detractors, and to date is not widely used in legal contexts in the English-speaking world. I think this statement:

"López Obrador's government has also been criticized for failing to combat violence against women in Mexico and its high rate of femicide, which has risen dramatically since 2018." 

Should be left to the article’s body, with (perhaps) its corresponding caveats. Thoughts?   Tabu Makiadi (talk) 19:13, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

That's appropriate for the body and/or the lead of Presidency of Andrés Manuel López Obrador. In this page's lead it is WP:RECENTISM. Any interested reader needs to go to Violence against women in Mexico#2019 to 2021 to understand the sentence. (CC) Tbhotch™ 02:14, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://www.elfinanciero.com.mx/nacional/en-mexico-10-mujeres-fueron-asesinadas-al-dia-en-2018-inegi
  2. ^ https://politica.expansion.mx/mexico/2020/09/23/3-874-mujeres-fueron-asesinadas-en-2019-el-peor-ano-para-su-seguridad
  3. ^ https://www.bbc.com/mundo/noticias-america-latina-55885880
  4. ^ https://elpais.com/mexico/2021-12-31/mexico-cierra-un-ano-negro-con-mas-de-3000-mujeres-asesinadas.html

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