Talk:Alan Wilder

Depeche Mode without Wilder

User:Paulo Fontaine added this: "It was widely rumoured at the time that Depeche Mode would struggle to continue without Wilder's compositional expertise, although the bands popularity has barely diminished during his absence." This user is a prolific hoaxer so I have reverted the edit; if it can be verified by any other source feel free to put it back in. - Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] 10:14, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, some fans would agree, but it's very much POV anyway, so it should not be included, whether or not the user is a hoaxer. John5008 | talk to me 14:34, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

~~ Alan Charles Wilder is never coming back to Depeche Mode.. not even if Martin gave him a billion dollars. :( ~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.230.38.115 (talk) 16:47, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Worst move by DM is to let Alan Wilder go. Martin is indeed the compositional genuis but Alan is the producer which gives life to Martin's songs. Without Alan, DM is just another pop group. Even they admitted in the Exciter album that they used prior techniques in producing the said album which of course carries on to SOTU. With Alan at the producer's helm, every album DM produced from Contruction Time Again up to SOFAD is a progression. One can only imagine what would have been succeeding DM albums be like with Alan and Flood still at the producer's helm.

Of note for all the readers here, Alan left because at the time of the SOFAD album and tour here is what was happening with the band.

1. Dave was too drugged to care. During recording sessions Dave will be locked up on his room drugged for all he care and he would only appear on the studio once he's asked to sing a recording. Basically Dave was drugged the whole recording period and it carried on towards the touring which everyone knows nearly led to his death.

2. Martin wrote the songs but after writing the pieces he basically threw everything the way of Alan and the latter is forced to work on the majority of the sessions. Alan once said that during the tour while everyone was either too drugged or too drunk to care, he was still on the studio working on the samples and while everyone was having fun at the beach he took one whole week to instruct a bandcrew to play the keyboards. The bandcrew later became a steady backup musician of DM. Alan must have been some kind of a genius. Martin is also the primary reason why Alan left. Even Dave asked Martin to call Alan and apologize for the things he did. Martin for all his genius is an egotistical dude. Alan has been saying in hints for years that credit should be shared equally. Remember that Alan is just a replacement during the "A Broken Frame" album.

3. Andy... well Andy was always himself... which is he did nothing. He's really on the band for being a bestfriend of Martin. Andy doesnt play the keyboards well early on, he doesnt sing, he doesnt write songs... which leaves him basically doing nothing for the band. At least he didn't antagonize the musical genius.

Alan leaving the band is a blow DM never recovered and never will. Listening to SOTU now is just a pain in the backside. It's too crappy.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.138.162.6 (talk • contribs) 19:53, 25 June 2009‎

What a juvenile. limited perspective. Totally unworthy of an encyclopedic entry, even on the discussion page. If you want to go moan over DM without Wilder, than please go to the BONG message board or to HOME, or even the official message board. One thing you may discover is how in little you have in common with long-time Depeche Mode fans. I'm sorry that Violator Part II isn't forthcoming, but I sort of doubt you are at home right now listening to Bloodline or Unsound Methods. By the way, I see that you continue to purchase DM albums. Funny thing to do if you are so disenchanted. Jackbox1971 (talk) 01:33, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Take a wild guess how much I care that this is six years late: you are just not a very nice person, let alone wikipedia contributor. What, may I ask, gives you the right to talk him that way? OPINIONS aside, you are not better than him, so that pompous tone is totally unworthy of an encyclopedia. Yes, him rambling off those opinions is not worthy of an encyclopedia either, but to come back with such low blow personal attacks? Even less so. Oh, and welcome to the 2010s by the way. Youtube comments have come along way: MANY real old school fan have commented that DM is not as good without Alan, on both pre and post departure DM tracks. I know comments on YT don't count, but you're throwing in the opinions of "long-term fans", and I'm pointing you to where they can actually be found. Unless BONG stands for something I'm unaware of, it sounds as if you're telling him to take his opinions that a band's golden age was better than their waning years to a place where stoners just ramble stoner nonsense. When have you ever heard a true long time fan say, "Oh yea, play Heaven again" vs. "Oh yea, play Everything Counts one more time". Again, all this is opinion unworthy of the wiki, but so is insulting a man in such a "juvenile" fashion, so this whole convo should be deleted. As for the original issue, which Jackbox did not bother to address: Yes, It has actually been stated by Martin himself that BETWEEN Alan leaving and Dave's H addiction, he was afraid that DM were done. Check out the documentary that came out with the rerelease of Ultra (aptly named after the VERY relevant MG quote "Well, That's The End of The Band")

2601:602:300:8D72:357E:288C:5E7E:A11E (talk) 06:51, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Wilder comment on Derrick May

User:Depris : "In Stripped: Depeche Mode, a biography of the band written by Jonathan Miller, Wilder recounts one time when the band was in the United States and invited by Derrick May, one of the three originators of Detroit Techno (of whom all have acknowledged Depeche Mode as being influential in their own music), to his home/studio. Wilder describes May as "one of the most arrogant fucks" he'd ever met and the music he played for them as "fucking horrible."

I am removing this comment unless it is confirmed by Alan himself. Alan frequently answers questions submitted by fans on his website. From reading his responses it becomes very clear that he makes it a policy not to be insulting when he's talking about people he's associated with over the years. In addition he's also criticized a number of supposed "biographies" for being wildly inaccurate and in some cases purposely deceitful. On previous edits "fucking horrible" was changed from "bad". Regardless, I feel a supposed (most likely fabricated) negative review about another artist doesn't need to be in the "trivia" section of a biographical article, unless it's confirmed by Alan himself. Frankly, given the track record thus far, I'm wondering what if anything Jonathan Miller actually wrote.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Depris (talk • contribs) 06:01, 11 August 2006‎

Point of View

I may be beating a proverbial "dead horse" in saying this as the page has already had a notice posted regarding it not adhering to Wikipedia standards, but there are definitely parts of this article that lack NPOV and seem a bit biased and in some ways sounds like there were bits and pieces taken directly off a review site or magazine article somewhere (the Recoil section, in particular). On a semi-related note, how is the background information on Joe Richardson relevant to a page on Alan Wilder? Again, it sounds like it was directly taken from an article somewhere. Regardless of what someone's views may be on the man or his music, the view presented should remain neutral and I'm not seeing that in some sections of this page. - Tuxenstein (talk) 07:53, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Your view that some sections are biased is solely your own POV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.138.162.6 (talk) 21:50, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia entries are supposed to be kept neutral/NPOV, which is not what I'm seeing with respect to some of this entry (some of which--parts of the Recoil section, in particular--appear not only biased, but also look like they had been lifted from press statements or from reviews or off other sites). This sentence, for example: "Wilder's skill at blending diverse and eclectic musical styles with often controversial subjects has produced an album of complex sonic imagery and expansive dynamic range." There are others I could cite as well. As also asked earlier, what does Joe Richardson's biography have to do with a page that is supposed to be specifically devoted to Alan Wilder? Tuxenstein (talk) 02:42, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

The lede in particular looks rather un-neutral to me. Dozzzzzzzzzing off (talk) 02:34, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

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Shawm mistaken for an oboe

This article stated incorrectly that Wilder played oboe in "Everything counts". The instrument heard in the song is clearly some kind of a shawm and Wilder is shown in the song's music video playing an Alto Shawm. So I just went ahead and corrected it.

Nationality

As a general rule, nationality should be cited as the statutory entitlement (British) rather than a sub-national identity (e.g. English). The exception is where an individual has publicly laid claim to a local or regional identity, as can happen with Scottish, Welsh and even Cornish identities maybe even English too, occasionally, but I'm not aware of any evidence that Alan Wilder has described himself thus. Has anyone else? I'm proposing to alter the lede accordingly unless there is a clear case to the contrary.HuginAndNotMunin (talk) 10:12, 24 November 2021 (UTC)