Talk:Airbus A310/Archive 1

Archive 1

Accident Summary

Presumably the 9 July crash in Siberia is not included in the hull losses and fatalities figure. VoxLuna 19:27, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Photo bias

There's too many "pretty" profile photos. Article needs less of them and more interior cabin or flight deck shots, and perhaps a closeup or two of an interesting feature of the aircraft. -Rolypolyman (talk) 11:54, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

If you have any suitable non pretty images then you are welcome to add them. The only reason none are present is that they are none available in WikipediaCommons to use and we are reliant on users to upload suitable images to Commons so they can be added. MilborneOne (talk) 12:03, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Correctamundo... that's why I'm putting the call out, so to speak. -Rolypolyman (talk) 15:31, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

History

This is not a history, it doesn't give any details of the type's development, launch, production, etc. - these ARE interesting details, and the German version, for instance, does provide them.78.48.132.194 (talk) 15:36, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia is a work in progress and is never complete, you are welcome to add any properly sourced and notable information to the article. Thank you. MilborneOne (talk) 17:30, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Engines

A310-308 (CF6-80C2A8) is missing in the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.3.241.65 (talk) 05:57, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Timeline

This is not a discussion Sp33dyphil ^{Ready • to • Rumble} 10:23, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

• April 1978: Hanover Air Show, exhibition of model Airbus A310
• 1978: BAe announced intentions of rejoinng at Farnborough Air Show
• 9 June 1978: Swissair and Lufthansa developed joint specification for aircraft
• 1 January 1979: BAe rejoined Airbus

May 1979: Belairbus joined Airbus

• 15 March 1978: Swissair placed firm order for 10 aircraft; Lufthansa, Air France and Iberia followed
• 7 July 1978: Airbus launched A310 programme
• 1 April 1979: Lufthansa raised commitments to 25 firm & 25 options
• 3 April 1979: KLM placed order
• 6 July 1979: Air France raised orders
• Throughout 1979: Martinair, Sabena and Air Afrique placed orders

Size of shrink

It's a bit murky to say that the plane is 12 frames shorter than the A300B series. To produce the A310, Airbus pulled 14 frames out the A300B4, then relocated the rear bulkhead further aft in order to make more space within the cabin. The cabin may be the equivalent of 12 frame pitches shorter, but the plane is shorter by 14 frames overall. Sacxpert (talk) 08:29, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

re-assessed

I,ve re-assessed this article as there are style issues and new material added requiring references/citationsPetebutt (talk) 03:52, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

A310 Wing design

I remember when this aircraft was introduced and it was claimed to have the most advanced wing in the world at that time. It was a supercritical section in the days when that was comparatively rare. It was described as "a completely clean wing", having no wing fences or vortex generators. Interestingly, it also had no outboard ailerons, a fact confirmed by the photo of the Tarom aircraft in the article.

I raise this because I think it would make a useful addition to the article. It was certainly a major part of Airbus Industrie's sales pitch and as far as I know, remains unique in modern aircraft design. I remember it being hailed as revolutionary by aviation cognoscenti of the time. Can anyone confirm this?

This article has some excellent and relevant information: http://www.airbus.com/support/publications/?eID=dam_frontend_push&docID=18293

I used to have some Airbus Industrie advertising material which related to the A310 but I'm having trouble locating it. Flanker235 (talk) 07:26, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

150 or 153 people on board Yemenia Flight 626?

I saw that the 2 sources for the Yemenia Flight 626 accident somewhat conflict each other, one saying 150 people on board and the other saying that there was 153 people on board; can someone clarify which one is correct? I can make the necessary corrections on the accident summary and this articles.

Thanks. Sam.gov (talk) 18:26, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

The official accident report http://www.bea.aero/docspa/2009/7o-j090629/pdf/7o-j090629.pdf says 153. MilborneOne (talk) 18:42, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, but is there an english version of this? This one is not in english and I was planning to add this to the list of references. Sam.gov (talk) 20:06, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

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Seating capacity

The seating capacity figures seem high, some are close to the lager A300. 180/190 3 class and 200/210 2 class seems more typical with 280 being the certified maximum.

62.56.59.4 (talk) 04:13, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Assessment comment

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not much to it. Is that because its just a derivitive of the A300? Specs need updateing and references are required. Trivia should be merged. - Trevor MacInnis (Contribs) 21:34, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Last edited at 21:34, 18 December 2006 (UTC). Substituted at 06:54, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Lead picture

The current image is clean but the side pictures are a bit boring, I propose to change it to a front/side picture, showing more of the structure:

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If you're interested in more, I made a gallery of suitable ones in User:Marc_Lacoste/sandbox/A310 --Marc Lacoste (talk) 13:43, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Nothing wrong with the current image as far as I see, boring is not a selection crieria. Out of interest are you going to ask to change every airliner lead image I dont believe they are all that bad. MilborneOne (talk) 17:31, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

I wanted to perfect airliners specs. I went through Airbus so far, I should begin Boeings soon. As I did this, I wanted to enhance the pictures of the articles. Often the lead pic is just the one available a few years ago, but WP commons went much bigger since and there is often more interesting pictures than the current one. Plus I'll admit, I prefer when it is the most common sight (version/operator), but I understand it's not a sufficient reason to change the lead pic, so I must find the best pictures first. I earn some of my living with photography, I'm perhaps a little bit too much interested in this :). And I just found the excellent petscan.wmflabs.org to go through WP commons categories! --Marc Lacoste (talk) 20:11, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

done--Marc Lacoste (talk) 09:09, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Here is a better one : more level, over clouds. --Marc Lacoste (talk) 14:42, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

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Fuselage diameter missing

What is it? Customary for jetliners. Marzolian (talk) 14:04, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

"Cross section 5.64 m (18 ft 6 in)" same as A300/330/340. see also Wide-body_aircraft#Comparison--Marc Lacoste (talk) 20:15, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Infobox Image

I've noticed that the articles for the Boeing 767, Boeing 787, Airbus A330, Airbus A340, and Airbus A380 each use an image of the largest operator in the infobox. Given that the infobox caption here reads "An A310, gear and flaps extended, from Air Transat, one of its largest operators", wouldn't it make sense to replace the current image with Air Transat with one of the following images of Mahan Air:

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Given that Mahan Air is the largest operator of the A310? (The Professor (Time Lord) (talk) 01:30, 29 December 2019 (UTC))

I'm often responsible for proposing those other pictures. The point is to show the aircraft configuration, not its operator, but I proposed pictures of the largest operators when the choice is so large I need to select only a part to pick from. It's not the case for the more rare A310 where I could oversee all the A310 pictures (I use WMFlabs' petscan). That said, your second picture is not really great, overexposed and cropped, but your first one is very similar to the current one. The distinguishing feature is the background sky, more pleasant in the current picture than the grey sky beneath the Mahan air A310. But I wouldn't oppose a change.--Marc Lacoste (talk) 08:12, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Dont think we ever had a rule about using the largest operator as Marc has said it is an image that shows best the general configuration. If we dismiss the second image per above I dont think that the first image gives us any improvement so I dont see a reason to change at the moment. MilborneOne (talk) 09:07, 29 December 2019 (UTC)