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hi, I have added some info to the page which is removed by someone by saying its not reliable. The transcript id official case of Supreme Court of New South Wales and from the The Sydney Morning Herald (Sydney, New South Wales, Australia) · Wed, Mar 3, 1993 · Page 3. Which clearly verifies the truth about his father and they are reliable sources. see this talk also. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Atlantic306#Adam_Garcia

I would really appreciate if someone can explain this or is it necessary to save someones good image even if something is true?

It was removed because it was poorly sourced and WP:SYNTH. Independent sources aren't reporting things such as a marriage, exact birth date, etc...it should not be included in the article. We also generally do not allow birth certificates/marriage certificates in WP:BLP per WP:BLPPRIVACY Praxidicae (talk) 20:22, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, what about the first edit?

I can upload the readable version of the newspaper which writes the story of his father etc Laura GoldS (talk) 20:30, 4 March 2019 (UTC) [reply]

You do not need to use the help me template each time. Again, please read WP:BLPPRIVACY with regard to both links - unless there is substantial coverage of it or it's somehow pertinent to the article, an official government case or passing mention doesn't really warrant the inclusion of divorces or spouses. I also fail to see how any of this is relevant to the subject of the article when the links you provided do not mention him and his father's life is ultimately irrelevant unless sources are covering it in depth in relation to Adam Garcia. Praxidicae (talk) 20:41, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I understood about the DOB and marriage certificates. That newspaper from 1993 mentions his father and the case clearly. If you want to read I can email you. Both links mentions his father, court papers mentions his father and the news paper also. See this link also. http://secretwatchdog.com/celebrity/adam_garcia/ and this one https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/dance/from-coyote-ugly-to-the-uks-got-to-dance-adam-garcia-takes-a-gene-kelly-turn-20160323-gnp96j.html This is pre internet and thats pretty obvious we wont be able to find much online.

based on these all, we cant even write that his father was a bullion dealer? Just asking for clarification and my understanding of the rules.Laura GoldS (talk) 20:58, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't an article about his father, so it's not exactly relevant. Also none of those articles say that this person is his father. We don't synthesize sources and this is not even a source. See also WP:DUE. Praxidicae (talk) 21:00, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well, all these sources mentioned his father's name that's why I thought its a good add. Usually, celebs have such type of sources. I'll see if I can share more with you. Thanks

The daily mail and healthyceleb are not reliable sources. There is no reason to give any weight to his father's misdeeds unless there is in depth coverage in relation to him in actual reliable sources. Praxidicae (talk) 21:21, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, this is another reference, more clear about his father and his occupation from a reliable source, I still think this is a good add and factual information. https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/ian-saxon-hall-how-i-fooled-you-all-with-my-great-prison-escape/news-story/ec76bdef5cc5de562f7d8fa3e2f2274b Laura GoldS (talk) 16:56, 6 March 2019 (UTC) [reply]

I'm not sure how to better explain this - the article is not about his father. It's about Adam Garcia. His father's life is only relevant to the extent of which it is covered in relation to him. Praxidicae (talk) 13:46, 11 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Praxidicae's comment. The only aspect of Garcia's father that the sources about Adam Garcia consider relevant to him is that he was foreign while Garcia grew up in a "very AngloSaxon" part of Australia. So we can safely say that his father was Columbian. There's no indication, however, that his father's career had much of an impact on Garcia, and mentioning the father's name just for mention's sake is not a good idea, particularly when there are arguably privacy issues in the biography of a living person involved. Neither father's name nor father's career will improve our readers' understanding of Garcia. Huon (talk) 14:06, 11 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Huon: Thanks, please then add that his father is Colombian. Also, this sentence is a part of Adam's story and is verifiable through multiple sources. I am seeking your expertise because I am already being threatened of being blocked. This is the sentence, if his father has not gone to jail Adam would not have left university and moved to the UK to act Laura GoldS (talk) 19:46, 13 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That seems like a fair amount of editorializing and not encyclopedic. Praxidicae (talk) 20:07, 13 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I just realized that the source I believed the best is actually the Daily Mail. That changes my opinion on the suitability of inclusion. I have no idea where the sentece above comes from that's supposedly "a part of Adam's story". I didn't find it in any of the sources provided above, nor do those sources confirm it without using the exact words. Huon (talk) 21:56, 13 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Huon: Thanks, but this is DailyTelegraph not DailyMail and if you see, there's enough personal info 80% pages on Wikipedia that breaching privacy issues that you mentioned above. Anyway, actors and showbiz people have these kind of references as NYT won't write about them obviously. Its pretty obvious that he was married before and it has verifiable documents. Do let me know if I'm wrong thanks. Laura GoldS (talk) 04:35, 16 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The source I believed the best is the Daily Mail Weekend Magazine, to be precise, not the Daily Telegraph. The Telegraph doesn't cover Adam Garcia in any appreciable detail. I have no idea what marriage you speak of. Huon (talk) 15:36, 16 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Very strange that there is such a concerted effort here to obscure the fact that his father is a former drug lord—ostensibly because "the article is not about his father"—whereas there is nary a peep about the fact that the sentence immediately after the one naming his parents details the fact that his mother is retired physiotherapist. It seems like the detail about his father's history is being removed simply because it's negative... natemup (talk) 03:19, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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