Talk:2024 Valencia residential complex fire

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On 24 February 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from 2024 València residential complex fire to 2024 Valencia residential complex fire. The result of the discussion was moved.

Building name[edit]

Does the building actually have a name? Borgenland (talk) 17:41, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, @Borgenland, writing from València here. No, it doesn't have any specific name. It was one of the many developments in that area of the city during the Spanish property bubble and many of them went unnamed, even luxury complexes like this one. A general "geographical brand" Nou Campanar was often used (that's New Campanar in Valencian, Campanar being the traditional and historical name of the district). MaeseLeon (talk) 19:12, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article title[edit]

The title of the article probably shouldn’t have an è because the official English spelling of the name is unaccented. 2600:1700:526A:8410:5062:A36D:1643:8DF6 (talk) 22:38, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's no "official" English spelling of anything, and especially not of non-English place names. The only official name of this city is València, accented. See Decree 16/2017, of February 10, by the Consell, approving the change of name of the municipality of Valencia to its exclusive Valencian form of València. MaeseLeon (talk) 00:50, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In Wikipedia we do not care about official names, we use the common name, which in this case is Valencia. FCBWanderer (talk) 08:48, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it is also the only correct name of this city and please stop vandalizing the page with that without prior extensive discussion and a vote here. MaeseLeon (talk) 09:53, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MaeseLeon we don't follow official spellings. We follow the spelling that is commonly recognized by English-language sources, not local or national-language sources. English sources use "Valencia", not "València". Read WP:OFFICIALNAME. Your Kyiv reasoning below is pointless, as Kyiv has been recognized by many English-language sources like media outlets. Your proposal may only be accepted here if BBC, CNN, Fox News, CBS News, New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Reuters, Associated Press, Encyclopædia Britannica, The Straits Times, South China Morning Post, Philippine News Agency, and other English-language sources are using the accented form for several months in a consistent manner. Don't use Catalan-language sources as bases for article titles here. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 23:32, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 24 February 2024[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) NmWTfs85lXusaybq (talk) 02:16, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 València residential complex fire → 2024 Valencia residential complex fire – Common name FCBWanderer (talk) 08:39, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Oppose - The only correct name of this city is València, with a grave accent. See Decree 16/2017, of February 10, by the Consell, approving the change of name of the municipality of Valencia to its exclusive Valencian form of València. The so-called "common name" is actually an irredentist political statement, akin to continuing to refer to Kyiv by its "common name" Kiev. MaeseLeon (talk) 09:44, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support: see WP:OFFICIAL. The WP:COMMONNAME is Valencia, see English sources with no connection at all to Spain. [1] [2] [3] Wikipedia is not bound by any legislation. This is a political football, the regional government (facing the left) approved the Catalan-accented name in 2017, while the right-leaning local government approved a bizarre compromise of either the unaccented name or a neologism with an acute accent like in Spanish. [4] While regional government can legislate and local government can't, it doesn't change that neither has authority over what third parties call the city in English. Similarly, the government of Thailand have the authority to make Wikipedia rename Bangkok. If people are serious about the official name, they should start a mass page move for every page about Valencia, not just a news event. Unknown Temptation (talk) 15:48, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support for the sake of consistency. Having only 1 article with the accent and the rest without it just wouldn't make sense. Unless Valencian nationalists successfully pull off something reminiscent of KyivNotKiev, this and all other Valencia articles will most likely be grave-free. ZionniThePeruser (talk) 00:30, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support as per WP:ENGLISH. Should English usage over the placename change, this title (and the rest of Valencia-related articles') should be re-assessed. This is certainly not the time now. Arguments about cross-language "correctness" of placenames put me off, to be honest.--Asqueladd (talk) 10:50, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. While I understand why others would oppose this change, we're on the English Wikipedia here. I see no harm in removing the accent. JoseJan89 (talk) 11:48, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support WP:CONSISTENT with Valencia. If there are multiple versions of a name, best use the WP:COMMONNAME, rather than the WP:OFFICIALNAME or Spanish one, as under WP:UEGN, use same name as the place article. Dank Jae 20:56, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment it appears this article was originally named this until it was cut-and-paste moved to the current title.[5][6][7] Dank Jae 21:06, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Per WP:OFFICIALNAME. IMO, we can only adopt "València" if English-language sources like BBC, CNN, Fox News, CBS News, New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Reuters, Associated Press, Encyclopædia Britannica, The Straits Times, South China Morning Post, Philippine News Agency, and others are using the accented form for several months in a consistent manner. But that should start on the article on the commune itself which is Valencia. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 23:35, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. The name of the city in English and our article on it is spelt without an accent. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:45, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

"Devastating" in lead[edit]

I'm not too familiar with policy (most of my edits are pretty gnomish ones) and I randomly stumbled upon this article, but would the use of devastating be considered loaded language? I checked out a few other fire pages under Fires in Spain and they don't seem to describe their fires in a similar light, at least in the lead. L ampyscales (🐍) 15:01, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing that out. Just removed it. Borgenland (talk) 15:06, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]