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Sweden withdrew

Sweden has withdrew from the 2018 bid, unfortunately I don't have any sources and it is not announced yet by the Swedish media. I wrote to SOK and they gave me an honest answer that they dropped out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.77.162.196 (talk) 00:01, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

NEW: The Olympic Rule

We should make a rule to only make a page for ONE (1) Olympic Game that have yet to be unassigned. For example... Since 2010 is Vancouver, 2014 is unassigned, the Olympic articles should stop. (But since we already said keep) So when 2014 gets assigned, don't make a 2022 page until 2018 get assigned. Same can go for other events. So we're not just making pages for the sake of making pages, but we're not waiting until the last minute to make the page. It'll sort of be a compromise, so these pages don't get too far out of control. Agree/Disagree? Moonraker0022 08:11, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

A volcanic eruption in Rome ? Hektor 01:22, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

I personal believe that Norway and Sweden would search together, as they don't have to build as many arenas as expected. Norway's success during the Lillehammer '94, and the fact that Östersund/Åre actually seemed to have gotten the 2014 Olympics if they had bidden, is a great reason.

Granåsen, Norway had the 1997 Nordic Ski WCH, and would host the Nordic Skiing events.
The alpine skiing would be hosted in Åre.
Tänndalen, Sweden is annually an freestyle/snowboard WC arrangeur, and would have these events.
One of the best Norwegian ice hockey teams, TIK Black Panthers, comes from Trondheim, and their ice rink would have to be underdoing permanently works to satisfy IOC, but they would have one of the ice hockey competitions. The Z-hall in Östersund and the local hall in Brunflo would be the other halls needed. The swedish halls would be women's halls due to the interest differences between Norway and Sweden.
Oppdal is the curling capital of Norway, and luckily it's within the given borders of Trøndelag.
The 2008 Biathlon World Championships is scheduled to Östersund, and it's the largest biathlon centre in Sweden.
Short track skating would be hosted at Genvalla rinkbandyarena. A roof and extensive stands would be built to temporarily confirm Olympic status.
New arenas for figure and speed skating would be permanently built in Norway, while bobsleigh, luge and skeleton would be a swedish event.

Erik Iversen, Trondheim, Norway        14.41, 12 February 2006 (UTC+1)

Bids among two nations is not recognized by IOC. Bulgaria/Serbia had to withdraw already. It is even uncertain if a bid among two cities is recognized, it never happened before, even though close locations outside an Olympic city is part of a bid. Therfore, a bid alongside Sweden/Norway would not be possible at this time.

And without to exeggerate, these games are between France, South Korea and Sweden. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.77.162.196 (talk) 16:36, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Salt Lake City

Salt Lake is highly unlikely to be picked again,though. Only if the host city picked by the IOC rejects the games, or disaster strikes. After this Salt Lake might be picked. (see the 1976 Winter Olympics) (moved from main page to talk page)

Athens, Los Angeles, Lake Placid, London (three times), Paris, St. Moritz (20 years apart in 1928 and 1948), and Innsbruck. Have all hosted the olypics multiple times. The fact that the 2002 Olympics were successful would allow Salt Lake City for future consideration. (Hypernick1980 00:11, 11 April 2006 (UTC))

Asheville

Please provide a source for the Asheville thing. Hektor 19:41, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

A quick Google seems to indicate that the only sites claiming an Asheville Winter Olympic bid are mirrors of Wikipedia and a Geocities page of very little merit. The Geocities user name, and Yahoo e-mail name given is the same as our Londonf2012, a user who has more than 85% of their edits in support of this theoretical Asheville Olympic bid. This user seems to be the only source of Asheville information on this page, as well. I've removed the Asheville Olympic bid information, and I think that given the nature of the Asheville booster (who suggested himself as the Olympic bid chair in one of his edits), mentions of Asheville as a host should be removed from this article until one (1) mainstream media link is provided to support the existance of any level of planning for an Olympic bid by anyone other than Londonf2012.

While it's very good that someone is keen to see the Olympics in their (presumable) home city, if we listed and described every single city that could theoretically host an Olympics and had at least one person who wanted to, this article would be hundreds of pages long. --ByeByeBaby 06:57, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree with that, first of all, it is great that he seems to want to boost his hometown for the games. We need something concrete, if there was something going on there would have been something posted on a news outlet in Asheville and more then likely city officals would have given their blessing. I feel that untill we get something from a reliable news source that this falls in the same kind of category as original research. Hypernick1980 07:20, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Olympic bidding is a competition of cities. I think that a good benchmark would be to have a documented statement from the municipal authorities of a given city. For instance, when the mayor of Grenoble says, "we intend to bid", even if there is neither a web site nor an official bid committee already set up, I think it is good to include it. When Mr Average Joe from Asheville (or Elkins, by the way), creates a geocities web site which mimicks an official bid web site, I would tend to ignore it.Hektor 07:01, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Elkins, West Virginia

Does anyone have proof, such as a statement from a civic leader or a valid news source about the Elkins, West Virginia bid for the 2018 games. I googled it and could not find anything. To me it looks like this could be fiction Hypernick1980 22:41, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Considering that should a city choose to make a bid, that said city/township would most likely have the finances to purchase a domain and secure more professional web development than is displayed on the referenced site, I think this can be ruled as fiction. Also, I'm having a hard time believing that a city such as this would use such horrid Flash animation on their website, or Flash animation of that nature at all. --IndigoAK

Not to mention, where would they hold the downhill?

The Elkins 2018 website said that the downhill events will be held at Canaan Valley. I think Downhill refers to Alpine Skiing. Jim856796 03:44, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Small country, big ambition

Doesn't Liechtenstein lack a sufficient area of land to hold such a prestigious event; in this case the 2018 winter olympics. I'm not saying the country doesn't have the finance or infrastructure (meaning services) to hold the olympics, my biggest worry is the problem of the arena, skiing locations (are there enough) and athlete accomadation.Lietchenstein can't be a joint-host alongside Austria or Switzerland as it will be over shadowed and seem polintless. I feel the best option for Liechtenstein is joint-host the olympics; not with Swtzerland but with the Canton of St. Gallen or possibly Graubünden. This solution would allow Liechtenstein to equally host the olympics with a Canton which would otherwise not be able to host the event solely. Freddieandthedreamers 21:39, 20 January 2007 (UTC)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Freddieandthedreamers (talk • contribs) 23:32, 19 January 2007 (UTC).

Did Liechtenstein attempt a bid for Winter Games before? Or did someone put Vaduz there randomly? If theres no reference, we can probably take Liechentstein and a few other nations off the list of potential bids. xero 06:12, 23 August 2007 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Xero-7 (talk • contribs).

North American Bid

Everything for a US bid for 2018 is up in the air. If Chicago gets the summer games in 2016: The US will have no chance to get the Winter Olympics in 2018. So how can we even have a North American section?

Londonf2012 wiki user

It's just speculation. We won't know what the prospects or chances of ANY city winning because the 2018 games are still far away. Everything depends on the winner of the 2016 Games which we won't know until 2009. xero 00:48, 22 August 2007 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Xero-7 (talk • contribs).

Southern California bids for 2018 Winter games

I have a difficult time finding sources on local rumors in Southern Cal. (a very warm climate, but our mountains provide great winter sports activities) about they bid for the 2018 winter olympiad. In case of deletion (and my apologies if it wasn't following the rules), here's the added edit below.

<< Big Bear or Lake Arrowhead located in Southern California have interests in hosting the 2018 Winter games. However, these areas are generally smaller than other host cities and their very southern location (33'40' N Latitude), despite the area's numerous ski resorts and much cooler climate in elevations over 6000 feet (1500 meters) during the winter months. They must construct a ceremonial stadium, an arena for skating competitons and include more facilities for other olympic events. If not, the gold-medal hockey events are held either in the Staples Center in Los Angeles or the Honda Center in Anaheim. [citation needed]>>

If anyone can offer me verifiable news sources about it, I appreciate it and thank you. This is driving me "nuts", because to find truthfulness of the news release. I mean a web site from a winter olympic committee based in Southern Cal. or the IOC itself...or I'm gonna look at that myself. + Mike D 26 23:00, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Cities to officially bid

So far, Tromso Norway is the only city that has actually confirmed an official bid for the games, hence I placed that into the new section. xero 06:43, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Also, I tagged the potential bid cities without a reference with a 'citation needed' tag. The cities that have been tagged for a long time I took the liberty of deleting, since it is most likely not factual data. xero 07:19, 23 August 2007 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Xero-7 (talk • contribs).

Citations seriously needed

I took the following cities/countries out of the potential bids section of the article because they've been CN tagged for over a month. If these are indeed factual, they need to have a source.

Carinthia, Austria w/ Ljubljana, Slovenia
Poland
Borjomi, Georgia
Jaca, Spain
Helsinki, Finland
Sarajevo, Bosnia and Herzegovina
Ukraine
Vaduz, Liechtenstein —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xero-7 (talk • contribs) 21:30, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
New Zealand

xero-7 21:28, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

deleted cities that have since been cited.--Cbradshaw 20:24, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Cities Making Bids

Scorpion recently moved two cities that "were making bids" to the "Potential Bids" pointing out that "It's a long way away; a lot can change in the 4 years." But I'm not sure we can arbitrarily just discount the documented claims of these towns, even if they end up changing their tune. Both were sourced --Cbradshaw 18:53, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Cleaning-up

User Cbradshaw cleaned up part of my Upper Carniola, Slovenia potential bid contribution. I can`t allow that because everything written has a proof in a reference which I have included as well. I also think that we have to contribute as much information as we can. Deleting part of an article without knowing anything about it must be prevented in the future. Virenque (talk) 13:41, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi Virenque. Sorry if I offended you; it was certainly not my intention. However, at this stage, we do not need to include every single detail of the bid. All those details will become important if Slovenia launches an actual bid. Please consider editing the entry. Cheers.--Cbradshaw (talk) 14:54, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Bursa

Should Bursa be listed under Europe or under Asia? It's currently listed under Europe, and Turkey is in both continents, but the city is definitely in Asia. Bart133 ^{t c @ How's my driving?} 19:32, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

We have gone back and forth over this in the past few months. We left it that although Bursa is in the Asian part of Turkey, Turkey is classified as being in Europe by the IOC. It's a gray area.-Cbradshaw (talk) 20:08, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I think it makes sense to keep Turkey in Europe. As the article says "Although the IOC does not have a formal rotation policy, awarding games back to back on one continent has been uncommon after World War II,[12] lessening chances of European candidates.". I don't think this is insignificant as is likely true that Turkey's bid will be seen as another European bid by many delegates and so will be affected accordingly. Nil Einne (talk) 15:50, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Nice, France

I added Nice from France as a candidate to host the 2018 Winter Olympics wich has been removed there is an article in french newspaper le figaro : http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2008/08/18/01011-20080818FILWWW00334-jo-nice-candidate-potentielle.php/ the info is in the french version of the article as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.10.60.85 (talk) 12:35, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

US Bid

The article states that if Chicago receives the 2016 Games, the US will not bid until 2022 for winter. However, this article states the deadline for bids is January 2009, and also the 2016 Games won't be awarded until october 2009. So, how is the possible? Smartyllama (talk) 19:53, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Ha. Good point. However, that's what the cited article says. We could just delete the sentence.-Cbradshaw (talk) 21:37, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Rio de Janeiro's recent win of the 2016 Summer Games ISN'T a negatively impact for others South American bid

"However, Rio de Janeiro's recent win of the 2016 Summer Games may negatively impact a South American bid for 2018."

It's false. Rio de Janeiro's recent win of the 2016 Summer Games open the door for others South American olympic bids. And Rio's win the summer olympic's bid, not the winter olympic's bid. Rio de Janeiro has opened the door for a future bid, 2026 or 2030, of Santiago for the Winter Olympics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.20.102.43 (talk) 18:15, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Neither your version nor the previous one was sourced, so I removed the sentence altogether. While you may be right on 2026 or 2030, I must say I think it is very unlikely that 2018, specifically the only year the original sentence referred to, would be given to South America, so if anyone finds a WP:RS discussing those implications, feel free to readd that. What happens with 2022 and beyond is not quite as interesting for this article. —JAO • T • C 18:47, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Deadline

Today was the deadline. Where can we get some information to update this?--Kevlar (talk • contribs) 23:51, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

No shortlist?

With only three cities, could it be that they all become Candidate Cities and there is no short-listing? CrazyC83 (talk) 19:31, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

It is possible, and indeed rather likely as all three appear to be technically qualified; barring local politics, they're likely to be financially qualified as well. However, the candidature process must still take place per IOC rules, and it's still possible for one or more bids to fall by the wayside. (*IF* that happens, it'll likely be one of the Europeans.) IMO, these are the biggest questions for each bid:

Annecy: Local media & hospitality infrastructure (though some of that may be reused from Albertville); no figure-skater spokesperson to compete with Katarina Witt or Kim Yu-Na; age of reused Chamonix venues
Munich: Age of reused Garmisch-Partenkirchen venues; ability to adapt former Summer Olympic venues to winter use
PyeongChang: Lee Kun-hee's very presence in their bid is suspicious; could we see a repeat of the 2002 Winter Olympic bid scandal?

--RBBrittain (talk) 16:09, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

WP:FORUM. Thanks. Hektor (talk) 08:16, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Premature information

Someone's put the South Korea city as the host and the coding is such that this information cannot be removed, it seems. However as of my timestamp the IOC has NOT announced the host city and will not do so until later today. Can someone remove this information who is more familiar with the coding? I couldn't even get in there to put the {{fact}} tag. Thanks! 23skidoo (talk) 15:16, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

It has been announced. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:24, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Confusion with Pyongyang, North Korea

I would suggest adding something like "(not to be confused with Pyongyang which is in North Korea)". My first thought when I saw the annoucement of Pyeongchang in Korea was "isn't the capital of North Korea?". It might save former Alaskan politicians from a mistake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.245.225.131 (talk) 20:38, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Such a text has recently been added to Pyongchang. Since this article is about the 2018 Winter Olympics, not about Pyongchang, there is no need here. --BIL (talk) 19:40, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

I still think it's necessary to include something like "not to be confused with Pyongyang." People are going to look for the 2018 Winter Olympics article more than the Pyeongchang article. Source: I'm Korean (lol suck it up) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.5.212.55 (talk) 04:39, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Capital C in the middle of PyeongChang?

The logo for the Games has a capital C in the middle of PyeongChang. I realise we're working with a Romanisation of a Korean name, but I haven't seen that form of the name anywhere else. Is there anything official about it? HiLo48 (talk) 06:42, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Two articles on the bids

I removed in info on this page about the other candidate cities b/c that info is already present on the page Bids for the 2018 Winter Olympics. --MusicGeek101 (talk) 20:24, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Ok but a summary of the other bids is appropriate. Agreed that a massive duplication of material between two articles isn't necessary, but some mention of the candidacy of Annecy and Munich is important. Especially since for now that is pretty much all we have for the 2018 Games. Also I think the vote should go after the bid, makes more sense chronologically. H1nkles (talk) _{citius altius fortius} 21:12, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Line between Seoul and Wonju via Pyeongchang

Regarding the line which will be built between Seoul and Wonju via Pyeongchang according to the article, I'd like a clarification. It seems to me that Pyeongchang is farther from Seoul than Wonju. So how is it possible. Is the line making a loop ? 195.169.141.54 (talk) 07:13, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Broadcasting rights

The article says that SBS will have broadcasting rights for both North and South Korea. But SBS is a South Korean station. Are we absolutely sure this is correct? I can't imagine North Korea allowing a South Korean station to broadcast into North Korean homes. That's a huge risk that could bring down the regime if a strategically placed image of everyday life in South Korea accidentally slips through. 69.149.184.5 (talk) 01:45, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Venue Changes

Some changes will be made to some of the venue locations: http://www.gamesbids.com/eng/future_olympic_games/1216136243.html

The article above explains some of these changes. I plan to edit this page so these changes are reflected. I might not get to it today, but if someone else does thats fine. I will try to get to it soon. --MusicGeek101 (talk) 14:56, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Calendar date suffixes are wrong

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Winter_Olympics#Calendar "21th" should be "21st" "22th" should say "22nd" and so on. It won't let me fix it so I brought it up here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.29.50.187 (talk) 16:32, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

First Winter Olympics held at a Resort since 1994

Weren't the Salt Lake City 2002 Olympics in a winter resort area?

For the Olympics host cities, there are two "models", the small city in the mountain near the ski events (Saint-Moritz, Lake Placid, Lillehanmmer) or the large city near the mountains where the ice events are held (Calgary, Salt Lake, Torino). For some reason there is no consensus on how to describe this. Since Lillehammer, the Games have always been with a large city as host city (Nagano, Salt Lake, Torino, Vancouver, Sochi). In the case of PyeongChang, the nominal host "city" is not following the large city model of the five previous host cities. Hektor (talk) 18:21, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Year	Host city	Pop.	Type
1972	Sapporo	1,921,831	Large host
1976	Innsbruck	121,329	Large host
1980	Lake Placid	2,638	Small host
1984	Sarajevo	321,000	Large host
1988	Calgary	1,096,833	Large host
1992	Albertville	18,480	Small host
1994	Lillehammer	26,639	Small host
1998	Nagano	387,146	Large host
2002	Salt Lake City	189,899	Large host
2006	Torino	906,089	Large host
2010	Vancouver	603,502	Large host
2014	Sochi	343,334	Large host
2018	PyeongChang	43,706 (whole county)	Small host

Logo

On the web site of the Games, they use a logo similar to the one on wikipedia, but without the words "Candidate City". Shouldn't we use that one until the final logo is unveiled ? Hektor (talk) 18:19, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes. HiLo48 (talk) 03:02, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Capital C in the middle of PyeongChang?

Nearly three years ago I asked the following, now archived questions:

The logo for the Games has a capital C in the middle of PyeongChang. I realise we're working with a Romanisation of a Korean name, but I haven't seen that form of the name anywhere else. Is there anything official about it?

My question received no responses.

The image file we're using for the logo also has a capital C in it, and someone just mistakenly tried to "correct" it to lower case. What's the story? How real is that big C? HiLo48 (talk) 03:06, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

I don't know if you can call that official, but the IOC uses PyeongChang on its official web site, and so does the district of Pyeongchang. 109.219.158.165 (talk) 21:01, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Request for Comment

There is a Request for Comment about "Chronological Summaries of the Olympics" and you're invited! Becky Sayles (talk) 07:52, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

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North korea's SBS?

The article says that SBS broadcasting both of South and North Korea. But, SBS (Seoul broadcasting system) is South Korea's TV challel not north Korean's. Also, north korea doesn't allow South Korea's broadcast into North.

For the Olympics, SBS is carrying the transmission feed into North Korea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.78.98.137 (talk) 10:10, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

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Sochi is in Europe

This statement is wrong "It will be the second winter Olympics to be held on mainland Asia, after Sochi, Russia."

Sochi is to the West of Ural mountains and is in Europe, not mainland Asia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.92.16.68 (talk) 14:36, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

alpine skiing qualification numbers

I see what is being done with the Alpine Skiing, I just don't really get why. If we are planning to update the numbers every time the FIS does okay, but I believe it creates a false impression that those are qualified numbers, not numbers that will change. I think tracking those numbers on the specific qualification page would be more appropriate.18abruce (talk) 14:53, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

I agree, technically they haven't qualified yet. What do you think @Sportsfan 1234:? JoshMartini007 (talk) 17:25, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Maybe listing the country only without any numbers? The countries have met the standard and at this point will be there barring any unforeseen circumstances we don't know about. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 18:45, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Perhaps, but nations like South Africa will end up declining the quota (though they would be more the exception than the rule). JoshMartini007 (talk) 00:25, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

We don't know that till it happens. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:53, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Who will request those numbers Spucknic (talk) 05:20, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Forest destruction controversy

I'm not sure how to edit this into the article, but I think the controversy surrounding the removal of a forest should be mentioned. https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-02-03/2018-olympics-are-already-destroying-sacred-forest-land Geertrinkel (talk) 15:17, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

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Countdown Clock

As the olympics are about half a year from now, is it possible to add some sort of countdown clock or a "number many days until opening" or something similar? boldblazer (talk) 19:45, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Done – The infobox displays months from now, and will switch to "days from now" 60 days before the event (template {{Days from now}}). — JFG ^talk 20:19, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Afghanistan

since two different users have attempted to add their inclusion I felt that a note was appropriate. A rather unreliable source has indicated that they have qualified two skiiers. Both skiiers competed in the World Championships last February, and have not entered a race since, and according to the FIS neither are close to qualifying for the olympics (they need a FIS point total of 140 or less). If anyone is interested a reliable source has posted a story about the Afghani skiers that is quite interesting, and does not make the ridiculous claim that they have qualified for the olympics.18abruce (talk) 19:51, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Add number of athlete

Please add number of athletes by country — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.182.188.121 (talk) 05:20, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

There is no point, it will constantly be changing until mid-January. Or it will constantly be disagreed on until then.18abruce (talk) 16:33, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

If Russia excluded Pyeongchang, how to deal with this entry?

Russia possibly banned because of state-sponsored doping program. If Russia excluded Pyeongchang, how to deal with this entry?^[1]

Well, if there are sanctions, we document and source the sanctions. Currently the different sporting bodies indicate Russia as qualified in the indicated events, so we change it when they do.18abruce (talk) 18:56, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

This is just a guess on my part, but it looks like Russia is going to get away with this whole thing and probably won't face a major punishment. This move will certainly be controversial IF that decision or another is made. Either way, its going to be controversial. But I can't say I have high hopes that russia will be banned for the doping scandal. If they are not banned, there will certainly be outrage to talk about. --WRCosA (talk) 20:05, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

The British Broadcasting Corporation just published that Russia has been banned from the games and only athletes who prove that they are clean may take part. However, they must do so as independents under a neutral flag.173.162.58.21 (talk) 18:43, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

References

^ "With one year until 2018 Winter Games, Russia's status murky". 2017-02-09.

AZE and CAY

Both countries have qualified athletes in alpine skiing. In both cases there are indications that the only athletes eligible from those countries have retired. That being said, athletes don't qualify themselves, they create a quota for their country. I don't actually have a preference, just think it should be discussed with some sort of consensus.18abruce (talk) 20:37, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Both countries do not have other eligible athletes atp, so imo they have not qualified. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 21:38, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

But the skiers don’t qualify themselves - they qualify a quota for their nation. So any Azerbaijani or Cayman skier can take that quota. Smartyllama (talk) 16:30, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

That is not true. Any skier competing must meet the qualification standard. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 01:59, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Since neither nation is entering another athlete in any competitions it seems unlikely that the countries in question could replace them. Looking at the FIS country profiles it is not a question of whether others are good enough, there just isn't others at all.18abruce (talk) 21:28, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Looks like Patrick Brachner has come out of retirement [1]. Even if the article is false (about his retirement) it looks like another skier will compete for Azerbaijan. I have re-added Azerbaijan back to the list of participating nations. Any objections? @18abruce @Smartyllama Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 01:38, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Nigerian bobsled

Wow, the CBC, NYpost and many others are reporting that Nigeria has qualified for the olympics in women's bobsled. See here for the rules of qualification (specifically the time frame and point 'C' about minimum requirements) and then see here for the official rankings. Hopefully logic and a little common sense should indicate that there is a problem with the reporting, however if there is a specific statement from their NOC or from the IBSF then that would be valuable to the discussion. At this point it appears (to me) that when they achieved one of the minimum requirements there was some kind of a celebration that got badly misinterpreted.18abruce (talk) 18:05, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

And the Guardian got it right, there is hope for the world.18abruce (talk) 16:07, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

It would appear that they are "as good as qualified" according to recent reports, along with Ghana in skeleton. I do believe it is better to leave it until qualifying is done though, and it is then certain.18abruce (talk) 19:30, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

qualified number of athletes

this was previously discussed and consensus was to not list them until numbers are more definite (see the archive on this page). I understand that some countries we can be pretty sure, but why do we want to be constantly arguing over this. Hockey, Curling, Short track speed skating, and figure skating have confirmed totals, nothing else belongs here yet. And since it is unlikely (possible i guess) that no country only has qualifiers in those sports, it just serves no purpose to list totals.18abruce (talk) 16:42, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Number of competitors

So I've noticed that recently there has been a lot of back-and-forth regarding the total number of competitors from each country. I also notice that each country has a "Competitors" section which breaks down the total number by sport. Would it make sense to transclude those numbers into this article so that they are always updated when new information is added? It would also create conformity between the individual articles and this one. For example, Olympic Athletes from Russia's numbers just got updated and if we transclude the "120" it would automatically update here (upon page purge). Primefac (talk) 18:13, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

I personally think the numbers being used are premature anyway. In the case of OAR we have press releases saying "169" but no breakdown, so we don't really know who is coming yet and if that number is actual participants. For instance Brazil's NOC is listing ten athletes going to Pyongchang, however one of the listed bobsleighers (if that is a word) will not be a participant and is not part of the bobsleigh "qualified total".18abruce (talk) 20:12, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

This is another reason why I was thinking transclusion might work, but now I'm starting to think that we should just have no numbers until the games actually start. If my bold change is improper, I don't particularly mind being reverted, but I think it will cut down on some of the back-and-forth. Primefac (talk) 13:09, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

I believe it to be the right move, particularly with all the last minute changes because of the OAR situation. It will just be non-stop changes for no purpose otherwise. Additionally I think what is happening is people are trying to be the first one in, to get the "scoop", rather than trying to wait and get it right.18abruce (talk) 14:04, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Add facts about Oylmpic boycotts due to eating dogs and costs of games and low ticket sales (RfC)

Closing discussion started by a (now blocked) sock. Primefac (talk) 12:51, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

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S korea is hiding cafes where dogs and cats are served.Juror1 (talk) 08:38, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Juror1 has been indefinitely blocked as a sock of GADFLY46. - SummerPhD^v2.0 04:59, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

provide a source that explains the issue, and present it rationally, so we can discuss the issue then.18abruce (talk) 15:29, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-Koreans-and-Chinese-eat-dog-meat

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/28/south-korea-closes-biggest-dog-meat-market-in-run-up-to-olympics Juror1 (talk) 19:33, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

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Although only a small proportion of South Koreans regularly eat dog meat, thousands of restaurants and health food stores continue to sell it, mainly in soups and stews, or as a herb-infused tonic, according to International Aid for Korean Animals. International criticism of dog meat consumption intensified during the 2002 football World Cup, which South Korea jointly hosted with Japan. Some campaigners have launched online petitions calling for a boycott of next year’s Pyeongchang Olympics unless the country bans the eating of dog mea 453,000 HAVE SIGNED THE PROTEST PETITION at CHANGE.ORG Juror1 (talk) 19:35, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

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no Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 16:10, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

The sources presented do not confirm your assertion (even after modifying it). There certainly is some controversy, but I am not convinced it belongs on this page.18abruce (talk) 14:39, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

it is a world wide issue (450,000 signers ) about 2018 winter olympics , only place it belongs is on this page!

WHAT ASSERTION? THERE IS A WORLDWIDE BOYCOTT OF THE OLYMPICS AND YOU HIDE IT YOU great deleting monitor factor (GDMF) AFTER I PROVIDED proof Juror1 (talk) 01:24, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

This is the first I am hearing about it, some "worldwide" boycott. Please stop adding this to Wikipedia. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 02:01, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

first time? you dont read the news?

There are wikipedia pages that discuss this issue (like this one), it is up to you to present a rational argument why it belongs on this particular page. Your assertion that people are eating pets in obviously incorrect and completely unrelated to the sources you presented. Your modified assertion that South Korea is hiding cafes where dogs and cats are served does not seem validated by the sources either. A nation that is providing press releases on the issue is not doing a good job of hiding it. Finally I am having a hard time understanding how calling names and making up things (in caps no less) is meant to convince anyone.18abruce (talk) 02:13, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

the item is not about eating dogs ( or cattle or tofu) , it is about a BOYCOTT! is it a boycott that will exist after 2018? NO is it a boycott about their cards? no google (you know what that is? ) words olympics and boycott - facebook comes up (you know what facebook is , how many users they have, how many more users than wikipedia) and change.org comes up . first tier

@Juror1: If delegations were boycotting then it would be notable. But these are individual viewers, not Olympians. Don't get us wrong, we aren't supporting the whole dog/cat meat fiasco, but it is not related to the Games themselves. The Games are the perfect time for activists to protest practices in the host country, that does not have anything to do with the actual Olympics. Jith12 (talk) 16:36, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

not talking about athletes boycotting, its about 450,000 not buying tickets and TICKET SALES are down. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/09/olympic-ticket-sales-fall-short-for-pyeongchang-games.html

The issue of countries going into debt has been 40 an issue with Olympics BEFORE wiki ever existed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juror1 (talk • contribs) 00:37, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

http://fortune.com/2016/08/10/olympics-financial-disasters @Juror1: The article that you linked to makes no mention of the dog meat situation. As it is the dog meat situation is not specifically related to the Games. If the Games are specifically impacted from an athletics standpoint then we can re-activate this topic. Right now there is no educational value in including information about an unofficial movement. Jith12 (talk) 01:14, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

450,00 IS NOT unoffical IT IS MORE THAN ALL THE TICKET SALES Juror1 (talk) 20:29, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Juror1 has been indefinitely blocked as a sock of GADFLY46. - SummerPhD^v2.0 04:59, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

So people didn't buy tickets who probably weren't going to anyway? I didn't buy tickets to the Olympics, and I also oppose eating dog meat. Does that mean I'm "boycotting" anything? No, since I wasn't about to buy tickets to an Olympic Games halfway around the world anyway. How many of those 450,000 people actually would buy tickets were it not for the dog meat? Any of them? More than a very small number? Probably not. Smartyllama (talk) 20:34, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

@Juror1: I understand that you are frustrated. I too am disappointed by the fact that people are still eating dog meat. Despite this, multiple editors have established consensus that it is not appropriate to include mention of this movement in the article. However, since you are adamant about including text about the movement I will take this topic to RfC. This way we can have more opinions and reach an official conclusion. This will be the most effective and uncontroversial method to end this . Please include any further discussion in the "Threaded discussion" section.

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Clear opposition, closing early on account of the above sockpuppetry. Primefac (talk) 12:51, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Should the "Concerns and controversies" section of this article mention protests against the dog and cat meat market in South Korea in the lead up to the 2018 Winter Olympics in PyeongChang? Jith12 (talk) 22:15, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Survey

Oppose, the dog and cat meat market in South Korea is not directly related to the 2018 Winter Olympics and therefore mentioning protests against the market in the lead up to the Olympics is unwarranted in an article about the Games themselves. Jith12 (talk) 22:15, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Oppose; I am intrigued by the CBS article, and the Guardian article, but am unconvinced that this is the page to explore and explain the issue. This page could be expanded to discuss recent developments, perhaps by comparing effects of the 1988 olympics and 2002 world cup, where similar issues arose.18abruce (talk) 23:17, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
Oppose Completely irrelevant. It belongs on the appropriate page, and this isn't it. There's no boycott, people who probably wouldn't buy tickets anyway say they're not, and sales happen to be down anyway. Totally irrelevant. Smartyllama (talk) 23:53, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
Oppose (Via RFC) Whilst I'd be interested in a separate article covering the generalised controversy regarding the Dog Meat market in South Korea (User:18abruce makes a good point), I feel that going into much detail in this article would be skirting WP:UNDUE. If it must be mentioned in this article, in my view it should be limited to a single sentence with a wikilink to the aformentioned more general article. -- Cheers, Alfie. (Say Hi!) 17:20, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
Oppose - Because the Games are high profile and represent considerable economic risk for the country, numerous groups will seek to use them as a point of leverage for their causes. While it is true that issue is not directly relevant to the Olympics, this is irrelevant. What is relevant (from Wikipedia's perspective) is coverage in independent reliable sources about the 2018 Winter Olympics. Yes, there are sources that discuss the issue, so what? There are sources discussing people not supporting the Olympics because: they segregate male and female athletes, (Country X) will be represented, (Country Y) will not be represented, the games are "too secular", environmental impact, etc. The only time we should mention any of these is if articles discussing the 2018 Winter Olympics in general regularly discuss the issue. North Korea? Yes, sources discussing the games in general regularly discuss North Korea. Dog and cat meat? No, sources discussing the games in general do not regularly discuss dog and cat meat. - SummerPhD^v2.0 23:03, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Threaded discussion

Doesnt matter if not on this 2018 page, data about 2018 Winter Olympic Boycott was put on pages other than 2018 Winter Oylmpics (Irony). Juror1 (talk) 00:57, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

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Flu outbreak

There are two strains of influenza affecting^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4] the Korean peninsula, is that concern an entry possible for this article? --Osplace 22:47, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

References

I personally don't think so. If it directly affects the Games themselves (and it's not just theoretical/CRYSTAL talk) then maybe it can be added, but right now I'd say it's too soon for it to be worth mentioning. Primefac (talk) 23:09, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

@Osplace: I remember last year at the IAAF athletics world championships there was norovirus outbreak that lead to many athletes and officials having to be quarantined and unable to compete. If this year's outbreak gets to a level similar to that of the aforementioned scenario, then inclusion would be warranted. I agree with Primefac that it is too soon yet but that doesn't mean we can include it later if the situation worsens. Let's just hope that it doesn't get to that stage! Jith12 (talk) 23:50, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Ok, I agree. --Osplace 00:16, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Unified Korea ice hockey team

How do we deal with this development, now that the IOC confirmed there will be a joint-North Korea-South Korea women's ice hockey team? Should an article, Unified Korea team at the 2018 Winter Olympics or Korea national women's ice hockey team be created or note of this fact in both North Korea at the 2018 Winter Olympics and South Korea at the 2018 Winter Olympics articles under a subsection on ice hockey? Also would the medals count for South Korea in case the Unified team made a podium finish?Hariboneagle927 (talk) 01:05, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

It wasn't the IOC that confirmed the formation yet. It was the two Koreas. Though it would still be helpful in how to deal with the hypothetical issue.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 01:12, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

We will have to wait to see if north koreans actually end up on the team. Neither the IOC nor the IIHF has confirmed that this is okay. It was a long negotiation to allow the women's team entry at all, I would be surprised if the IIHF supports this. Historically the germans had a unified team, they did not enter a combined team though, so there is no precendence for how to handle this. If it happens. Additionally the players and coaches are reportedly not in favor of giving up spots on a team that has trained together for over a year.

Additionally the IBSF is reporting that there will be a combined 4-man bobsleigh entry, but it still needs approval. I think we need to be cautious in our conclusions.18abruce (talk) 14:04, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

The IBSF (as well as the media) say there could be a combined bobsleigh entry, so anything concerning that would be just speculation. As for the hockey team, the media says that there will be a combined team, so as far as we are concerned, we report that there will be one, until proven otherwise. Concerning the medal count, we don't need to think about that until actual medals are won and even then the IOC will without a doubt come up with a way to tally them so that we don't have to. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:37, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Except that IBSF story, and the original release about the hockey team, both state that they are awaiting approval on Saturday in Lausanne. It is the Koreans saying that there will be a joint hockey team, not the governing bodies who run the competition. The difference, interestingly, is that the actual sporting body who runs bobsleigh is trying to do it, and are clear that it is the IOC who has to approve. The hockey team has neither met approval yet, nor is the governing body participating in promoting it. Just to add, "the media" as you say are not united in saying there will be a combined team, the CBC for instance (here) explains the situation with a major banner saying "IOC approval still pending". And I would say that presenting that it is determined, before approval has been granted, is speculation.18abruce (talk) 17:46, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

For the Youth Olympics events containing more than one NOC was included in the relevant NOCs' page while noting the nationality of the athlete so there is no need for a Unified Korea team at the 2018 Winter Olympics page. Of course if the IOC decides to revive the ZZX code for the team we could create a page for Mixed teams at the Olympics. A page similar to Great Britain women's Olympic football team maybe needed. Of course this is all speculation. JoshMartini007 (talk) 19:20, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

The IOC has just allowed the joint Korean ice hockey team and the Unified Korea team will use a separate code (which is COR) from North and South Korea.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 15:40, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Yes, but there is no "Korea" (COR) NOC, so it shouldn't be listed under the heading "Participating National Olympic Committees". – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:55, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

But then the Olympic Athlete From Russia (since the Russian NOC is technically banned) and the past Independent/Refugee teams also had no NOCs?Hariboneagle927 (talk) 16:07, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Leave PRK/KOR separately. As for hockey, both country pages can explain the situation and on this article. There is no need for a Korea at the 2018 Winter Olympics page. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 16:16, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

I don't think a new page is warranted. I believe it is sufficient to document the athletes on their own NOC pages with explanation. If there are other sports that end up having combined teams (downhill team event, x-country relay, bobsleigh 4-man) I am sure we could revisit the discussion. I do believe that we should follow the IOC's lead if they decide to have something distinctly separate for the hockey team, but why not wait on them.18abruce (talk) 17:10, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

How do we deal about the infoboxes on the respective North/South Korea NOC pages? Do we include the the women's ice hockey players in the number of athletes competing for the South and North Korea NOCs (e.g. 22 athletes in 5 sports for North Korea instead of 10 sports in 4 sports) given that the IOC has a separate designation for the Unified Korea ice hockey team which is COR.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 17:32, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Adding to this discussion, personally, I feel that it is a better idea to have a separate page and, maybe, transclude the ice hockey section to the North and South Korea's individual pages. The ice hockey team is technically competing under a separate flag, representing both the North and the South. There are also other similar pages created for unified Olympic teams, such as Mixed teams at the Olympics, Australasia at the Olympics, United Team of Germany and Unified Team at the Olympics. A unified Korea team also competed in the World Table Tennis Championships and FIFA World Youth Championship, which has a separate page named Korea Team. Since it is the first time both Koreas competed under a unified flag, I believe it is notable enough to have a separate article, rather than just redirecting it to a generic disambiguation page and then adding the same explaination on both the North Korea and the South Korea Olympic pages. I do hope this can be considered. (A draft of the proposed article is available in my sandbox.) Wpeneditor (talk) 03:19, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Already article Korea Team is exists. Thanks. --Garam (talk) 10:41, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

@Primefac: If North Korea and South Korea play the game as one team, you can add "Olympic" in article Korea Team, like United Team of Germany. And already North Korea, South Korea and IOC agreed to form unified team about 1 game. Thanks. --Garam (talk) 16:47, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Done – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 17:28, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Okay, let's back up a step

We now have six people going in four different directions, and it would probably be best if we all figured out what the hell is going on. Currently we have:

Korea Team - covers the Olympics and the '91 table tennis/athletics team
Korea at the Olympics
Korea at the 2018 Winter Olympics - copy/paste of some of the main "Olympics" page
South Korea women's national ice hockey team, which is currently being linked for the "combined" team
North Korea women's national ice hockey team, which (correctly I think) just mentions the combined team with a link

There seems to be enough interest in starting a page for Korea, so here's my proposal:

Korea Team stays as it currently is - it discusses '91 and the 2018 Olympics in brief (as an overview page)
Korea at the Olympics stays as currently stands, since it provides the link between the two countries
Korea at the 2018 Winter Olympics becomes the official location for the ice hockey information. The South and North women's team pages will mention the merger and link to the COR page. Going forward any time women's ice hockey is linked, it will be {{flagIOC|COR|2018 Winter}} (which will display Korea).

Does that sound acceptable? Primefac (talk) 17:37, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

pings all around: @Hariboneagle927, Finnusertop, Garam, 18abruce, Wpeneditor, and Sportsfan 1234: Primefac (talk) 17:41, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Yes it does. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 17:45, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

The Korea at the Korea at the 2018 Winter Olympics was done to link to the parade page. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 17:46, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Seems okay to me.18abruce (talk) 22:31, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 03:36, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

That sounds great, thanks for collating and summarising the whole discussion! Wpeneditor (talk) 07:50, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

This does not directly deal with whether COR should be listed as a separate NOC, or does it. I believed that it meant that we note its existence and link to it, but do not list it as a NOC. Perhaps I am incorrect.18abruce (talk) 17:32, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

COR is not a NOC; at least, according to the IOC itself, which just said they would participate under the acronym. Primefac (talk) 17:34, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Okay thanks, I appear to have got embroiled in an edit war over it. I have asked the brand new user to discuss their rationale, hopefully they do.18abruce (talk) 17:37, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Hopefully. I have added an explanatory note to the NOC list to explain the situation. Primefac (talk) 17:40, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Athlete count of KOR, PRK, and COR

Now there seems to be a consensus on the Unified Korea team. I will bring up the issue on how to deal with the athlete count in the North Korea at the 2018 Winter Olympics (PRK), South Korea at the 2018 Winter Olympics (KOR), and Korea at the 2018 Winter Olympics (COR). (as well as the Ice hockey at the 2018 Winter Olympics for the NOCs/teams involved). Do we have to subtract the 35 athletes competing under COR from KOR, and PRK?

Note that reports often include the 12 North Korean athletes who will compete for the Unified ice hockey team as part of the overall North Korean delegation which is fact. But are they really part of the North Korean team that will compete under the code PRK? Or are we going to wait for the official website to list the participating teams and NOCs (and the no. of athletes for each team)?Hariboneagle927 (talk) 00:40, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

I think your last suggestion is the best, mostly because one can make the argument for going either way (which could be considered OR): all of the players are technically part of their home-country's NOC, but none of the players are playing for said NOC. No harm in waiting. Primefac (talk) 13:07, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

The website has now updated. It lists Korea (COR) as a separate "NOC" with 35 athletes. North Korea does not list any ice hockey players, while South Korea lists only the 25 male ice hockey athletes. So I think we should do the same for the respective articles of the relevant "Countries at the 2018 Winter Olympics" articles.

And Korea is listed as a separate NOC and a separate "country" in the website's countries list. Should we list Korea in the Participating NOCs now? We have listed non-countries NOCs before such as the Refugee Olympic Team in the 2016 Olympics despite not being represented by a single NOC.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 17:29, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Seems reasonable. Primefac (talk) 17:48, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

NOC Participant numbers

Is it now ok for us to reinstate the official participating athlete numbers along side each NOC now we are only five days away from the start of competition? (2A02:C7F:5621:2A00:D8EE:9DFA:1DC4:45BF (talk) 07:41, 3 February 2018 (UTC))

Are there official participating numbers? Primefac (talk) 14:24, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

There should be and are normally listed down on the main article. (2A02:C7F:5621:2A00:4C0A:7BBE:413B:BBF8 (talk) 14:46, 3 February 2018 (UTC))

Sorry, my query was a bit vague. Are there official published numbers for the number participating from each country? Primefac (talk) 15:01, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Yes in a manner of speaking they are always added to the article and were up until earlier in the week when they got removed as some of the figures were not quite official but we should be properly at a stage where we can readd the numbers. (2A02:C7F:5621:2A00:4C0A:7BBE:413B:BBF8 (talk) 15:09, 3 February 2018 (UTC))

Yes there are official counts as listed on each NOC page in the official website's "Countries list". An example is the page for South Korea which lists the breakdown of athletes by sport.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 10:50, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

So why are we not adding the numbers to the article as of yet? (2A02:C7F:5621:2A00:ACAA:2EC6:9A25:C79A (talk) 13:47, 4 February 2018 (UTC))

Because I haven't finished editing the page yet. Hold yer horses. Primefac (talk) 13:51, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings but.... Those totals have errors. For instance, look at Canada in Short Track; you cannot have a total of 11. Perhaps that is the only error but I will keep looking. For some reason Olivier Jean (a former short track competitor who now races mass start in long track) has been added to Canada's total. Hopefully that is the only one like that.18abruce (talk) 15:38, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Um... why not? If something's wrong, it should obviously be fixed, but I'm just going off the official numbers. I won't be surprised if there are small tweaks between now and the end of the Games, but my main concern a few days ago was having the list changing every half-hour as more entries were finalized. Primefac (talk) 15:56, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

A nation can only qualify a maximum of 5 men and 5 women in short track. It is kind of funny that the first one I checked had the only error I can find. There may be other minor situations like 2014 had with Latvian skater Silovs who competed in multiple sports, or there was a Japanese snowboarder who competed in multiple disciplines (so the qualified total and the number of athletes did not match). I emphasize that these are minor issues and taking the totals from the official lists like you did is the way to go. Thank you.18abruce (talk) 16:02, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Interesting... the individual lists for short track only show five each, so maybe the 11th is someone in the the 5000m relay? Primefac (talk) 16:15, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

The extra is Olivier Jean. If you look up by "country" and then Canada, then click on the total of 6 or 11 for short track, his name comes up. He has switched to long track since the last olympics, and is showing up under the relay for short track for some reason. He is definitely not eligible there, and already is listed as a mass start competitor in long track.18abruce (talk) 16:23, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

There are also small issues in regards to Olga Graf, Erik Guay, and Stepan Fedorov. Guay could still be replaced but is not competing, I don't know if OAR can replace Graf, who has said she is not competing. Fedorov is not listed in the country total for OAR (luge), but is listed in the men's luge competition. I think, in each case, we should just wait to see what else changes during the week.18abruce (talk) 16:27, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Olympic Flag issue

Why does the Olympic flag got to have rims in it when it clearly doesn’t, can we please have a look at this? (2A02:C7F:5621:2A00:F511:2277:8F63:FB4E (talk) 16:34, 8 February 2018 (UTC))

https://www.olympic.org/olympic-rings says the rings were modified in 2010 to where there is no white rims around the rings. I agree it should be changed. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 09:29, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

notes to athlete counts

Currently both Canada (Olivier Jean), and Netherlands (Jorien ter Mors), have said athletes counted twice at the official olympic site. They should both have their total rendered as one less than the offical site (226 and 33). I don't know if Canada should have their count further modified for Erik Guay, or OAR for Olga Graf.18abruce (talk) 19:44, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

The Olivier Jean and Olga Graf entries have been remedied. In the case of Erik Guay, it is well known that he is not going to compete, but Canada has not returned the quota (as Sweden and Togo have), or named a replacement. There are a few discrepancies between the FIS and the official IOC page, but all appear to be a question of the IOC page needing updating, except for the USA and nordic combined; which I cannot explain.18abruce (talk) 20:11, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Just in case anyone is trying to check counts, all hell has broken loose with the Alpine totals on the IOC site. Hopefully it is repaired soon.18abruce (talk) 19:52, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Clarification for the commencing date of the 2018 Winter Olympics

The 2018 Winter Olympics will commence on the 9th of February and will end up on the 25th of February, 2018 but except for the fact that, curling events will progress from 8th of February, 2018 (from today onwards). Abishe (talk) 12:34, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

This happens in every olympics, the official starting date is listed as the date when the opening ceremonies take place. It makes it ambiguous and odd, but you will find that the curling and ski jumping events that already began will be listed as taking place on "day –1" and there will be events on "day 0" (here for instance). The official site has a countdown clock that is set to the opening ceremonies here for instance. It is usually to allow team sports to have enough time, but in the winter it is more about sports sharing venues and fitting everything in. Hopefully that is helpful in some way. It appears that the ceremonial opening of the games is what the date is attached to.18abruce (talk) 14:10, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

The Games go from the moment they are declared open by the Head of state to the time they are declared closed by the IOC President. Hektor (talk) 19:29, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Sport, disciplines, events

I hope I can get a clarification of the number of sports, events and disciplines. The infobox reads: "102 in 7 sports (15 disciplines)"...the number of disciplines is not written in the code, but seems to be calculated (how?). The body of the articles reads: "102 events in 15 sports".

Which is correct and why? Soerfm (talk) 12:32, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Sports

The 2018 Winter Olympics will feature 102 events in 15 sports, making it the first Winter Olympics to surpass 100 medal events. Four new disciplines in existing sports were introduced to the Winter Olympic programme in Pyeongchang, including big air snowboarding, mixed doubles curling, mass start speed skating, and mixed team alpine skiing.

A sport is defined as a single federation, for example swimming is not a sport at the Summer Olympics, aquatics is. There are seven sport federations at the Winter Olympics; International Skating Union (figure skating, short track speed skating and long track speed skating), International Ice Hockey Federation (ice hockey), World Curling Federation (curling), International Ski Federation (alpine skiing, cross-country skiing, freestyle skiing, nordic combined, ski jumping and snowboarding), International Biathlon Union (biathlon), International Luge Federation (luge) and International Bobsled and Skeleton Federation (bobsled and skeleton). JoshMartini007 (talk) 16:17, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! Soerfm (talk) 12:21, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Pyeongchang Olympic Stadium

Is it possible to upload a photo of the Pyeongchang Olympic Stadium at all? (2A02:C7F:5621:2A00:F4FC:2814:5F3C:9D10 (talk) 17:38, 6 February 2018 (UTC))

You need a username to do that. Soerfm (talk) 12:23, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

A new ISU best score was set in figure skating. WHO?

Please someone provide some details. Name? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.149.192.135 (talk) 02:57, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Maybe you are thinking of Alina Zagitova(?) Soerfm (talk) 09:37, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

ski jumping team event

It appears that South Korea is entered in the team event despite not qualifying enough jumpers. The rules say, "In order for a team to participate in the Men’s Team competition, the host must have earned the required four (4) quota places within the maximum total quota, and the athletes are eligible" so I don't get it. If anyone has an explanation it would be appreciated.18abruce (talk) 03:14, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

@18abruce: As the host nation South Korea gets an automatic entry into every event.331dot (talk) 18:14, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

@331dot: No they don't, that is a myth. There are numerous alpine and cross-country events with no Koreans, and other events as well. I was hoping for actual insight into why the rules were not adhered to. For instance initially the hockey teams were told no, but the IIHF and IOC were persuaded to change there minds about their participation in September of 2014. There must have been some special exemption to place the quota over the maximum after qualification was done. I guessed that since there were not 12 nations with enough qualified participants the FIS allowed it, but was looking for some statement to that effect.18abruce (talk)

They get an automatic entry but that does not mean they have athletes to use it. I've reviewed several of the articles on event qualification and they all mentioned the host getting an entry. 331dot (talk) 20:52, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Look, they did not qualify enough Ski Jumpers to qualify for the team event, I quoted the relevant rule above that comes from the official rules. In the cross-country skiing relays, where there are 25 eligible male south koreans, but only 2 qualified, they could not compete. Nordic combined has virtually the same rules for qualification as ski jumping, yet they are not competing in the team event there. Something peculiar happened in ski jumping because (I can only guess) there were not the projected 12 teams, but there is no, I repeat no provision for the host participation in the rules (for the team event). Or for going over the quota limit, as some other sports do. So the FIS decided at some point to do something outside the rules, like the IIHF saying that the men's hockey team had to be in the top 18 by 2014, which they weren't, but something was worked out anyway.18abruce (talk) 22:09, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Perhaps it was not obvious that they only qualified two ski jumpers, and I did not say that. A vital detail, I apologize for leaving that out.18abruce (talk) 22:43, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

All I know is that my entire life the host country has gotten an automatic entry into every event in the Olympics assuming the country has the people to participate. I don't recall the IOC changing that policy. 331dot (talk) 22:59, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

It is not up to the IOC, it is up to the appropriate sporting body in partnership with the IOC. The 2004 Greek field hockey team tested it in court and lost. There are other examples where hosts came up short in trying to fulfill minimum standards; most recently Brazil women's field hockey team.18abruce (talk) 23:51, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

That case actually had nothing to do with the fact that the Greeks were hosting, if you read the article you posted, though that just furthers your point - they apparently didn't even try to argue they should qualify automatically as host. Smartyllama (talk) 18:42, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Technical innovations section

The "Showcase of technical innovations" section reads like a promotional piece for Samsung. Is this really a large enough portion of the coverage surrounding the Olympics to warrant such a section? ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 03:36, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Ticket Prices

The article says the highest price for events is $776, and cites an article to that effect.

But note that the prices for the top seats in the Men's Hockey Gold Medal game are being sold here for $976.85

https://www.cosport.com/olympics/tickets.aspx?SportID=86&EventDate=2/25/2018

I presume they changed their minds about the price after that article was published.

Unfortunately I believe this ticket-sale page is temporary and will not be available as soon as the game is over or is sold out. I don't know of any long-term cites for this ticket price. I just tried recording the page in Internet Archive, and the javascript to bring up the price didn't work in the archived version. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.225.205.99 (talk) 08:57, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

I suspect it might be OK to remove this section altogether once the citations expire. There was nothing said about ticket prices in the 2014 Olympic Games article. Rodney Baggins (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:59, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Bobsled/Bobsleigh

Is there some particular reasoning behind when the sport is referred to as "bobsled" and when it's called "bobsleigh"? There should be some consistent rule applied in this article, and indeed across Wikipedia.Fridge Leprechaun (talk) 11:44, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

I believe officially the event is called "Bobsleigh" but it is commonly called "bobsled". It might also depend on your local variety of English. 331dot (talk) 11:54, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

"Bobsleigh" is UK English and "Bobsled" is US English but other than that they are totally interchangeable. It looks as if we are mostly using the term "bobsleigh" throughout these olympic pages so we should probably change "bobsled" > "bobsleigh" wherever it crops up for consistency. Or does it really matter? Rodney Baggins (talk) 10:14, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

For the paragraph 3.8 - Records

Please consider if these two "records" should be added:

Norway managed to win more medals in one single Olympic tournament than any nation before, by winning a total of 39 medals. However, because of the many new events a higher total of medals were awarded, and therefore Norway did not exceed USA (from the 2010 Olympics) if measured in percentage of all awarded medals.
Marit Bjørgen of Norway managed to win enough medals to become //the best olympian// (sorry Phelps!, that should read Winter Olympian) of all times.

Rgds - TorSch (talk) 08:56, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

(1) Yes granted, but the fact is they won more medals and that's what most people would consider to be an achievement, no matter how may new events there are. Maybe in 4 years time there will be even more events, and some other team will benefit by winning more than 39 medals!
(2) Yes, good spot, will add to list...
Rodney Baggins (talk) 11:24, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Ester Ledecká won golds with 2 different types of equipment?

There's some confusion over what exactly Ester Ledecká has achieved... OK so Jan.Kamenicek first introduced the Ester Ledecká entry yesterday (24 Feb) at 19:34 and edited it a couple of times until it read as follows:

<<On 24 February, Ester Ledecká of the Czech Republic won snowboarding parallel giant slalom after having won skiing super-G on the 17 February, thus becoming the first woman who won the Winter Olympics in two different sports and the first athlete who won in two unrelated events. She became also the first athlete competing at the Winter Olympics in both alpine skiing and snowboarding.>>

The bold bits were added by me just now to show that Jan.Kamenicek was clearly of the opinion that Ledecká had set two different records. So I went to look at the Ester Ledecká article and there in the intro it states:

<<...She is the first person to win two gold medals at the same Winter Olympics using two different types of equipment (skis and a snowboard). She is the second woman to win gold in two separate disciplines after Anfisa Reztsova, and the first woman to do so in a single Winter Olympics...>>

Again it looks as if she is being cited as achieving two separate records. But there's no citation for it there either. It can't be denied that she won golds using two different types of equipment - skis and snowboard (which are definitely quite different physically) - whereas a speed skater and a short track speed skater both wear speed skates (although I've been told that hinged blades were a 'thing' in long track for a while).

@Jan.Kamenicek - can you throw any more light on this please?
@LRataplan - Jorien ter Mors should NOT get this accolade as she didn't get two golds! Her second one was a bronze medal.

If this can't be easily cleared up, it might be best to just drop the bit about the equipment and stick with her main achievement which was to win two golds in two sports in one Winter Olympics. Then the 'equipment' ambiguity will remain in the Ester Ledecká article where it will probably go unnoticed. Rodney Baggins (talk) 22:26, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

@Rodney Baggins: I used the BBC report from 24 February as a source of the info. There is written that she became 1) ... the first woman to claim gold medals in two sports at a Winter Olympics. and that she is 2) ... the fifth athlete to win in two sports at one Games and the first in unrelated events, with the previous double wins coming in Nordic events. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 22:37, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for delving into this, folks :-) Jorien ter Mors obviously didn't win two golds and as such didn't win in two different sports, no contest there. Sorry if I confused things. Now, the page originally stated that "In so doing, she became the first woman to win the Winter Olympics in two separate sports, as well as the first person to win two gold medals at the same Winter Olympics in two unrelated events" (Revision as of 00:12, 25 February 2018). I had and have serious beef with that, but I think you both do too.

Short track and long track have vastly different 'strategy and technique' (I'm borrowing from the BBC article listed above), as well as different equipment. The biggest difference is simply the track. There just is no comparison other than 'flat and made of ice' and we can probably all agree Ice Dancing really is a different sport. The skates are also totally different. The so-called clap skate (hinged skate) is VERY current and VERY important in long track (check out the Nagano Olympics), while on the short track they're simply banned from use. But I feel that how all this affects the debate here is mostly a matter of opinion.

My edits were (or so I tried) motivated by adhering to the definition of sports, disciplines and events following from the article itself, which is congruent with earlier articles on Olympic Games. Here Alpine Skiing, Snowboarding, Speed Skating and Short Track Speed Skating are all listed as different sports. Within these sports, there are several events. Winning several events within one sport is nothing new and happens all the time (all hail Kjeld Nuis), winning medals in different *sports* is what Ter Mors pioneered, and winning *gold* medals in different sports is what Ledecka did.

Disciplines, again according to the article (see the link on the pictograms), are different competition formats within a sport, but the use of this term is much less prominent. Freestyle skiing and snowboarding are both divided in five disciplines each, the main difference being the track (!) and there are two disciplines in alpine skiing (speed and technical). Winning seperate disciplines, I assume, has happened before and this is what the BBC might be going on about. The linked article talks about precedent set in "Nordic events", and I'm unsure whether the BBC uses the same distinction as Wikipedia. If however there's indeed five people with (gold) medals in two of the Nordic sports (cross-country skiing, biathlon, nordic combined) then technically, Ter Mors and (in the case of two golds) Ledecka do not have a record. But I wouldn't know about that. Dutch press was going on incessantly about Ter Mors' two-sport-achievement, I could provide a ton of source material - but I'm not sure they wouldn't be making the same error as the BBC. For the time being, I suggest we drop the notion of a double record based on equipment, discipline or whatever and just mention the achievements of Ter Mors winning medals, and Ledecka winning gold in two sports, as Rodney Baggins suggests. LRataplan (talk) 00:02, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Interesting... I think we've talked ourselves into a solution anyway! I will just remove the bit about the equipment and stick to the fact that she was the first woman to claim gold medals in two sports at a Winter Olympics. That'll do it. I'm not proposing to start up a discussion on the Ester Ledecká page, someone else can worry about that. So glad we've cleared this up. It think it's a case of tenuous info being picked up from an ill-informed BBC journalist and then being blown out of proportion. Rodney Baggins (talk) 11:02, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

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[2] ttps://edition.cnn.com/2018/01/31/health/influenza-outbreaks-korea-winter-olympics/index.html

[3] ttp://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/01/29/swine-flu-bird-flu-hit-north-korea-and-south-korea-days-before-winter-olympics-kick-off.html

[4] ttps://www.express.co.uk/news/world/911731/North-Korea-Kim-Jong-un-Pyongyang-South-Korea-Winter-Olympic-Games-PyeongChang-Moon-Jae-in

[5] ttps://nypost.com/2018/01/30/swine-bird-flu-outbreaks-slam-south-north-korea-ahead-of-olympics/

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A new ISU best score was set in figure skating. WHO?

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Technical innovations section

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Ester Ledecká won golds with 2 different types of equipment?