Talk:2007–08 Pittsburgh Penguins season/GA1

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GA Review[edit]

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Yay, a hockey related review. I'll go over the article in a few hours, so hang tight! Also, if you think I'm inducing any POV, let me know, because I have a COI because I support the Leafs. Pie is good (Apple is the best) 20:00, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Don't super script the th in 40th in the lead per the MOS
Done. Grsztalk 23:43, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know what that means. Grsztalk 23:43, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Got it. (It is policy not to link dates anymore).--TheZachMorrisExperience (talk) 01:25, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I see. Thank goodness, I hated those. Grsztalk 01:26, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pretty sure the cite in the 2nd paragraph of the lead isn't needed, as its pretty well-known to NHL-fans
True, and done. Grsztalk 23:43, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Team colors, seems okay to me. Grsztalk 23:43, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Do you mind trying yellow background with black text? Thanks. Pie is good (Apple is the best) 14:26, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
All of the Penguins related items are in that style. We would have to change everything (templates, multiple seasons, etc.) to match. Is it really that vital? Blackngold29 14:56, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's not that vital, so just skip this comment. Pie is good (Apple is the best) 00:08, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The regular season began on 5 October 2007, against the Carolina Hurricanes and concluded on 6 April 2008, against the rival Philadelphia Flyers. Seems rather choppy with the commas. Suggest rewording.
Some done. Grsztalk 23:43, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Long-term injury. Should it be something else? Grsztalk 23:43, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I changed it to "Injured reserve list." Maybe link it to Injured reserve list, but that would look weird.--TheZachMorrisExperience (talk) 01:29, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's all for now. Pie is good (Apple is the best) 23:17, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As long as Malone & Sydor are listed as alternate captains? this article failes GA. Why? Malone & Sydor only served as interim-alternate captains (during the injury/abscense from lineup of Crosby, Roberts and/or Gonchar. GoodDay (talk) 00:36, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Where does it state that they were alternate captains? In the infobox, it states that Gonchar and Roberts were, while Recchi served from Oct-Dec. And that alone would not be a reason to fail, it would be easy to correct, and I'm not willing to fail an article that could be fixed in one minute. Pie is good (Apple is the best) 00:47, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Roberts missed 44 games, compared to 38 he played in the regular season. When he wasn't playing, Malone or Sydor wore the A. I don't know how that doesn't make them alternate captains, and even still, is there a standard stated somewhere on this? Grsztalk 00:51, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly my point - When Roberts wasn't playing GoodDay (talk) 00:57, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think that if they wore the "A," even once, that makes them alternate captains. Maybe make a footnote explaining the situation.--TheZachMorrisExperience (talk) 01:29, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Gone.--TheZachMorrisExperience (talk) 01:29, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pie is good (Apple is the best) 00:47, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Crosby became the first Penguins captain since the retirement of Mario Lemieux in January 2006, following a season of four alternate captains in Crosby, Mark Recchi, Sergei Gonchar, and John LeClair. Needs a rewrite after the first comma. In particular, the alternate captains in Crosby... part.
  • Do you mind merging the following with another paragraph? The Penguins also extended head coach Michel Therrien's contract through the 2008-09 season.
  • In the infobox, Average attendance:17,077 (100.7%) Huh?
    • Standing room only for every game, I believe that's mentioned in the prose. It's correct. Blackngold29 01:21, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • complied a point streak of ten games Isn't complied compiled?
  • Following the injury to Crosby, a make-shift line composed of Evgeni Malkin, Petr Sykora, and Ryan Malone dubbed the “Steel City Line” helped sustain the Penguins standing, scoring 50 goals during the 28-game span, and helping the Penguins clinch a playoff spot for the second year in a row. Do you really need the and?
  • I have no problem with the Alt captain issue, but IMO, we should list every Alt cap' and put it in a footnote indicating such.
Put a footnote to a prose explanation rather than a source. Let me know what you think. Grsztalk 02:52, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • With an attendance of 71,417, the Winter Classic on January 1, 2008 at Ralph Wilson Stadium easily surpassed the NHL single-game record set on November 22, 2003 State that it broke the attendance record
    • Added and removed "easily" per NPOV. Blackngold29 02:19, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ...when the Edmonton Oilers hosted the Montreal Canadiens at Commonwealth Stadium in Edmonton, before 57,167 fans in the Heritage Classic. no comma needed IMO
    • Removed, though it could read "...in Edmonton, before 57,167 fans, in the.." Blackngold29 02:19, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pie is good (Apple is the best) 01:11, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • ...looked to improve upon their progress in the 2006–07 season, after being eliminated No comma needed
  • In prose, it mentions 17,089 as the average, however, in the infobox, 17,077 is mentioned as the number
    • Fixed. 17,089 is cited in the prose Blackngold29 14:53, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Penguins are only two years removed from their last-place Eastern Conference finish in 2006. Two years removed sounds a bit awkward.
    • Reworded and flipped for better paragraph flow Blackngold29 14:53, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Image caption of Image:Evgeni Malkin2.jpg Evgeni Malkin finished second in total points with 106, in his second year in the league. needs to indicate in league or in the team
  • Also see my comment about the game log colours above.

Pie is good (Apple is the best) 14:26, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • The Penguins earned the second seed in the Eastern Conference. Should be earlier in the paragraph.
Moved to first sentence. Grsztalk 01:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Grsztalk 01:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Evgeni Malkin scored his first career playoff goal, Marc-Andre Fleury recorded his first career playoff shutout, Petr Sykora added a goal, and Gary Roberts scored twice. Fragmented sentence IMO.
Added "In the game". Grsztalk 01:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hossa added his second goal, on an empty net, to seal the victory. No comma needed.
Done. Grsztalk 01:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ...but Joffrey Lupul's second goal, on an empty net, sealed the win for the Flyers. No commas needed again
Done. Grsztalk 01:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • and the Prince of Wales Trophy, by a final score of 6-0. No comma needed. This is getting pretty common.
Done. Grsztalk 01:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • It was the third Stanley Cup Finals appearance for the Penguins franchise, the first since back-to-back victories during the 1991 Stanley Cup Finals and the 1992 Stanley Cup Finals. What do you mean by back-to-back victories?
Changed to "consecutive". Grsztalk 01:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • In Game One at Detroit's Joe Louis Arena, the Red Wings opened scoring in the 2nd period with a goal from Mikael Samuelsson, before finishing with three goals in the 3rd period, from Samuelsson, Dan Cleary, and Henrik Zetterberg. State that the Penguins lost in a shutout.(which I find hilarious)
Not needed. Grsztalk 01:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ...Maxime Talbot scored for the Penguins, who had pulled goalie Marc-Andre Fleury. Kinda sounds like that Talbot pulled Fleury. Try a reword.
Clarified. Grsztalk 01:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The game logs are inconsistent. For the regular season log, it uses direct links, but for the Playoff Log, it uses inline cites. Choose one.
Well, the regular season links externally to a recap. The playoffs are also a recap, but they are cited elsewhere in the article as well, like in the playoff prose. Grsztalk 01:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the playoff log, the log for the Eastern Conference Semifinals doesn't link to Fleury like the way that the other playoff round logs do.
Done. Grsztalk 01:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • How come in the goaltender tables, the playoff table uses a comma for minutes while the regular season doesn't? Also, does combined have to be capitalized?
Removed commas, and COMBINED → Combined, TOTAL → Total. Grsztalk 01:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The caption for Image:Marián Hossa - Pittsburgh.jpg, Marian Hossa was acquired by the Penguins in a last minute trade. seems rather ambiguous. State just minutes before the trade deadline
Done. Grsztalk 01:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Source check is tommorow...brace yourself. =) Pie is good (Apple is the best) 00:08, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Most cites need a date of publication and an accessdate as the source could change. They are also inconsistent as some use a bracket for the date and some don't. Normally I'd fail this under this, but I feel that a 5-minute fix should fail an article
Done. Grsztalk 01:22, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Cite 11 doesn't confirm the game played, nor the points achieved
Brought in a new source (Malkin's bio at Penguins site) that says he scored X points after the injury. GrszX 16:44, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Where in Cite 20 does it specifically say that the rally was actually held?
Changed to this article. Grsztalk 03:34, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • State that the Toronto Maple Leafs don't suck
Ok. GrszX 16:44, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do not state the above
Awwwww. GrszX 16:44, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Following debris removal and site preparation, groundbreaking for construction will begin in the summer.
Will begin→began. Grsztalk 01:22, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the 3rd table in #Milestones and awards, combine the cell for the NHL YoungStar award.
Done. Grsztalk 03:34, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Cite 83 states a 403 error. Replace the cite.
Done. Grsztalk 03:34, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done! Also replied to the tables comment, so be sure to check on that. Now placing on hold, you have 7 days to address this(and I mean that I won't be checking the article until 4 days from now, so you can look for other stuff you want to clarify) and judge. Pie is good (Apple is the best) 23:25, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Lead is too short. Try including info about Player stats, Milestones and awards, Transactions, and Draft picks in a paragraph. Also, clarify With a 12-2 record, the team eliminated the Senators, the New York Rangers, and the Flyers, on their way to the 2008 Stanley Cup Final, the franchise's first in 16 years. by stating in the playoffs.
  • The alternate captain entry for Ryan Malone (Dec--) looks kind off weird with the double dashes.
    • I replaced all the dashes with en dashes. I don't know what the purpose of the double dash was, unless there's a specific reason I think it looks OK now. Blackngold29 21:53, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Team leaders section in the infobox doesn't mention whether regular season or playoffs.
    • It's regular season, it's a standard template so I don't really know how to clarify that. All figures are repeated in the stats section, so one could look there for further explination. Blackngold29 21:36, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Once these things are addressed, I can and will pass it. Pie is good (Apple is the best) 21:27, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

This article is a great overview of the season. It is written in a non-neutral way, and is very comprehensive. However, it may need a thorough copyedit if it is to be FA. However, it is grammatically correct mostly, so its ok.

  1. Is it reasonably well written?
    A. Prose quality:
    Some places may need clarifying, but not any major problems
    B. MoS compliance:
    Complies with all listed MoS guidelines listed at WIAGA.
  2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
    A. References to sources:
    This article uses the Cite ... family, and has a References section
    B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
    It has sources for all assertions, quotes, and material that can be challenged.
    C. No original research:
    No original research as all assertions, etc. are sourced.
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. Major aspects:
    Very long, but overkill.
    B. Focused:
    A bit long, but I'm not sure that any sections could be forked to its own article without any notability questions.
  4. Is it neutral?
    Fair representation without bias:
    NO NPOV seen by reviewer.
  5. Is it stable?
    No edit wars, etc:
    There has been no edit wars in the last 100 edits, and it is not likely to be updated.
  6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
    A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
    All images checked. I'm assuming that the OTRS image is OK, as I have no access.
    B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
    All images have suitable captions, and are placed in relevant locations.
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:
    Well done with this article. It meets all GA criteria, but needs a bit more work if you want FA for this. Otherwise, an excellent job! Pie is good (Apple is the best) 22:23, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alternate captains discussion I rewrote the bit in the prose like so: Following the release of Recchi in early December and injuries to Crosby and Roberts (Recchi's replacement), Sergei Gonchar remained the Penguins only active alternate captain. The team assigned two new alternate captains with Ryan Malone and Darryl Sydor serving during the injuries.[1]' It 1) Explains that Roberts himself was a replacement, and 2) that Malone and Sydor served in the absence of Crosby and Roberts. Grsztalk 01:42, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It looks fine to me. (But then again, I thought it was fine earlier).--TheZachMorrisExperience (talk) 03:55, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I tweaked it, Gonchar was an alternate captain. GoodDay (talk) 12:18, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
See also the discussion at WT:HOCKEY: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey#2007-08 Pittsburgh Penguins season article a GA??
  1. ^ Sager, Joe (February 14, 2008). "Malone, Sydor Emerge As Leaders".
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