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A Talk page assess on this new one please. Many thanks. Acabashi (talk) 23:44, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Proposal to move Methodism to Child Project

Per Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Methodism Jerodlycett (talk) 09:43, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

PB candidates

I have created a list in my user space of candidates for the next presiding bishop of the Episcopal Church. Any assistance in improving the articles for these bishops is much appreciated. Jonathunder (talk) 17:28, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Discussion on confirmation of election of Church of England bishops

At Talk:Martin Seeley. DBD 14:10, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Discussion of wording around alternative episcopal oversight

At Talk:Diocese of London DBD 18:38, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

AfD deletion nomination: CofE deanery articles

Bundled together at: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Deanery of Alresford DBD 20:22, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

New article - Joyce Bennett

I have created a stub article Joyce M. Bennett, the first Englishwoman to be ordained an Anglican Priest. I've put it at Joyce M. Bennett instead of at Joyce Bennett as the latter already has a number of incoming links for the Australian athlete. It's not really in my usual sphere, and I am sure would benefit from the attention of members of this Wikiproject. DuncanHill (talk) 14:30, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

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There have been two glaring errors in the citations system for over two years now. It would be good if someone with a more intimate knowledge of the article and its sources could address these issues --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:20, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

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Wrong display on mobile version; not present on Computer Version

The mobile version of the entry on Mary Irwin-Gibson[1], newly-elected bishop of Montreal, displays "Canadian Dean" as a subtitle on the mobile version; it does not do this on the computer version. How can I fix this? I have just made some minor edits and filled in some career information that appears on her current LinkedIn page[2]. Can I cite this, since it is so liable to change? Thanks! Mark Alan Gibson (talk) 03:05, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi Mark, I believe that subtitle is taken from Wikidata. I have updated the bishop's entry there accordingly. Regarding citing LinkedIn, it is certainly a less than ideal source, but using self-published sources (e.g, a profile on a social networking website) in an article about the author is not impermissible.
As well, I must ask, are you the same Mark Gibson who is married to the article's subject? If so, I would suggest that you review Wikipedia's conflict of interest guidelines. In particular, it is preferable if you:
  • avoid editing or creating articles related to you or your family, friends, clients, employers, or others with whom you have a relationship;
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  • exercise great caution so that you do not violate Wikipedia's content policies.
Cheers, Graham (talk) 04:27, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

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Catholicism RM discussion

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Nomination of Traditional Anglican Church of America for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Traditional Anglican Church of America is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Category:Episcopalians, Category:Episcopalian feminists, and Category:Former Episcopalians have been nominated for merging. You are encouraged to join the discussion on the Categories for discussion page. Graham (talk) 06:28, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

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Requested move proposal, Martin Luther King, Jr.

Please comment on a requested move to change numerous article titles which contain Dr. King's name. Randy Kryn 11:28, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Hello. Just to let any interested persons know, I have nominated St Botolph's Church, Quarrington as a Featured Article Candidate (see WP:FAC). It's a listed, medieval, Anglican Church in England. Any constructive comments there would be greatly appreciated. All the best, —Noswall59 (talk) 16:45, 31 July 2016 (UTC).

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New article: Evangelical Anglicanism

I created the Evangelical Anglicanism article, which used to be a redirect to the Church of England article. Any and all contributions would be appreciated! Ltwin (talk) 01:22, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Australian Diocese article title discussion

Hi. I have started a conversation at Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board#regional Christian church polity articles relating to the recent moves of a number of articles and categories from "Diocese of <somewhere>" to "Anglican Dicese of <somewhere>". If anyone from this project wishes to comment or follow the conversation, please feel welcome to contribute even if not from Australia. --Scott Davis Talk 07:52, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Is this really a candidate for deletion?

Hi, I am User:bashereyre. I contribute across the site but principally to the Anglicanism section. This article Michael John Keatinge has been nominated for deletion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael John Keatinge Could you see what you think Bashereyre (talk) 10:36, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

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Names of living bishops' families

Comrades! I've been wondering for a while whether the names of living bishops' (and 'senior' priests') spouses/partners and children ought to not be routinely included in their biographies, even though they are usually made known (certainly in England) in their appointment announcements. The most relevant guideline is WP:BLPNAME and a discussion is here. I agree that it may be notable whether a bishop (&c) is married or not (and how many times), but not to whom. Equally, I would propose that the number of children they have could be routinely included, but I think that including names probably breaches their privacy. DBD 17:21, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

New template

I have created a new template, Template:Episcopal lineage. It is used to display the lineage leading up to a bishop (including archbishops, cardinals, popes, patriarchs, etc.). It is configured to be used for Catholic, Anglican, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, and other Christian denominations that maintain a historical episcopate. An example of its use can be found on the template page or in the Pope Francis article. Ergo Sum 04:07, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Merge templates proposal

With the new Template:Episcopal lineage created, I propose merging Template:Ordination with the other. I think the aesthetics of episcopal lineage are preferable and recommend creating a new collapsible section within that template to include the information contained within ordination. Thoughts? The merger discussion is located at Template talk:Ordination#Merge templates. Ergo Sum 17:47, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Need help with Anglican Church of Australia categorization

See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 August 29#Category:Anglican_Church of Australia Ecclesiastical Province of Western Australia. The structure is odd in that other communion churches have a "Dioceses of" category level, and then the dioceses directly in that, generally with categories for bishops, parishes, etc. within the diocese all inside a "diocese of" category. And Template:Anglican Church of Australia is odd in ignoring the dioceses and putting the churches directly in the province. My suggestion would be to go to the way the other churches do it rather than interposing the provinces as a layer, but as I am not Australian this is an outsider's view. At any rate we need input. Mangoe (talk) 21:15, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

New discussions on Catholicism (term)

Several new discussions and proposals were initiated recently on the page Talk:Catholicism (term). Unfortunately, there was no notification here. More participation would be welcomed. Sorabino (talk) 16:26, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Great Apostasy

Hi. I'd like members to have a look at these edits and the accompanying discussion at Talk:Great Apostasy. It seems to me that they alter the Overview section in a POV way, giving undue weight to fringe Protestant views of the Catholic Church such as idol-worship, worship of Mary, and the hybrid "pagan Mother-Son worship". And not only that, but these fringe views are copied to the lead, totally skewing it. The citations are a collection of far-out Christian websites: http://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-deception_end-time_paganism_Catholic_sun-worship, https://www.sabbathtruth.com/sabbath-history/how-the-sabbath-was-changed, https://www.gotquestions.org/worship-saints-Mary.html, http://www.the-ten-commandments.org/catholic_church_idolatry.html, https://bible.org/question/it-okay-worship-statues-jesus, and a self-published 1914 pamphlet, The Practice of Idolatry, none of which come anywhere near satisfying WP:RS. Any input into the discussion is welcome. I'm copying this to other Christian WikiProjects. Scolaire (talk) 15:19, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

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"Previous denomination: Roman Catholic"

A large number of articles about Anglican churches, such as this one, have an infobox saying "Denomination: Anglican; Previous denomination: Roman Catholic". I see several problems with this.

  • It's inherently POV to assert that these churches had a previous denomination.
  • "Roman Catholic" is an anachronism if we're talking about events before the English Reformation.
  • "Roman Catholic" is a redirect (to Catholic Church).

I propose removing all such "previous denomination" fields. What are your thoughts? Marnanel (talk) 22:21, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Agreed. There is no information conveyed - all pre-1534 (pre-1558?) English churches were necessarily in communion with Rome until the English church separated from Rome; and until the separation occurred there was no such concept as "Roman Catholic" - "Roman Catholic" was coined specifically to distinguish the church in communion with Rome from the Anglican church (which also holds itself to be Catholic). This makes no more sense than asserting that the Hagia Sophia was Roman Catholic, or St John Lateran Orthodox, until the Great Schism. TSP (talk) 20:39, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
More than a year on and this is still noticeable when browsing articles on English churches that have been around long enough to predate the Reformation. The article Marnanel links to, St Dionis Backchurch, still has that in the infobox, and so do others I've seen like St Benet's, Paul's Wharf, without any indication in the text that they followed a course other than sticking with the CofE when it broke from Rome. Here is a proposal:
  • We see if we can get a bot or something to generate a list of all articles with {{infobox church}} where denomination = "Anglican", "Church of England" etc and previous denomination = "Roman Catholicism", "Catholic" etc. This will give us an idea of the scale of the issue, once the list has been looked at manually to exclude churches which have been Catholic since the Reformation.
  • We look for consensus (maybe at WikiProject Christianity?) that this is an anachronism or misleading or inappropriate, so that a decision has been recorded somewhere in case there are revert wars or people reinstate this in the future. I don't know enough about the usage here to be sure that consensus would be found, but we do need consistency in how these churches are described so it is worth having the discussion.
  • We go through the list removing the 'previous denomination' attribute in most cases.
Does this sound sensible? Beorhtwulf (talk) 20:35, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

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Church of Ireland archbishops

Three subcategories of Category:Anglican archbishops by diocese in Ireland have been nominated for renaming. Feedback from this WikiProject's members at the category discussion would be appreciated, in order to help reach a consensus. Thank you, -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:38, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

See here for proposal to move Anglican Bishop in Jerusalem/Anglican Diocese of Jerusalem over this redirect. Mangoe (talk) 15:27, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

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Disambiguation links on pages tagged by this wikiproject

Wikipedia has many thousands of wikilinks which point to disambiguation pages. It would be useful to readers if these links directed them to the specific pages of interest, rather than making them search through a list. Members of WikiProject Disambiguation have been working on this and the total number is now below 20,000 for the first time. Some of these links require specialist knowledge of the topics concerned and therefore it would be great if you could help in your area of expertise.

A list of the relevant links on pages which fall within the remit of this wikiproject can be found at http://69.142.160.183/~dispenser/cgi-bin/topic_points.py?banner=WikiProject_Anglicanism

Please take a few minutes to help make these more useful to our readers.— Rod talk 13:05, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

World Anglican Directory

World Anglican Directory (also known as World Anglican Clerical and Church Directory or simply World Anglican) is an independent online directory of Clerics, Churches and Organisations in the Anglican Communion. Revd Canon Prince Odoemena is the chief editor and moderator of World Anglican Directory, he is a priest in the Church of England.[1] World Anglican Directory's staffs and volunteers are a mix of both Anglicans and none contributing to the project from across the World-Wide Anglican Communion. World Anglican was founded in 2016, it includes over 21,930 links and currently has 1,807 members across the communion.

The site includes a listings of Anglican Provinces, Dioceses, Clerics, Churches, Organisations, their contact details, websites and social media platforms. The site contains database of Anglican sermons, lists Anglican events, general Anglican resources, clergy articles, community forum, theological journals, reviews, Anglican job vacancies, video and photo galleries.[2] It also host an Anglican Blog, its editorial line is diverse theologically and it allows for the contribution from and flourishing of diverse Anglican traditions. Blog entries on World Anglican includes but not limited to matters on theology, ecclesiology, liturgy, events, social, secular issues (such as politics) and other news within the Anglican Communion. The site is updated daily and moderated once every week, members can make entries anytime on any of the eligible platforms on the site.

On 22 November 2017, World Anglican's Chief Editor Revd Canon Prince Odoemena paid a visit to Anglican Communion's office in London where they had initial discussion and consideration of the possibility of an official partnership between World Anglican Directory and The Anglican Communion's Office in London. They will have such further meetings in 2018.

Can this be included as an article under Anglicanism Project? Pdominic (talk) 14:51, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

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World Anglican Directory

World Anglican Directory (also known as World Anglican Clerical and Church Directory or simply World Anglican) is an independent online directory of Clerics, Churches and Organisations in the Anglican Communion. Revd Canon Prince Odoemena is the chief editor and moderator of World Anglican Directory, he is a priest in the Church of England.[1] World Anglican Directory's staffs and volunteers are a mix of both Anglicans and none contributing to the project from across the World-Wide Anglican Communion. World Anglican was founded in 2016, it includes over 21,930 links and currently has 1,807 members across the communion.

The site includes a listings of Anglican Provinces, Dioceses, Clerics, Churches, Organisations, their contact details, websites and social media platforms. The site contains database of Anglican sermons, lists Anglican events, general Anglican resources, clergy articles, community forum, theological journals, reviews, Anglican job vacancies, video and photo galleries. It also host an Anglican Blog, its editorial line is diverse theologically and it allows for the contribution from and flourishing of diverse Anglican traditions. Blog entries on World Anglican includes but not limited to matters on theology, ecclesiology, liturgy, events, social, secular issues (such as politics) and other news within the Anglican Communion. The site is updated daily and moderated once every week, members can make entries anytime on any of the eligible platforms on the site.

On 22 November 2017, World Anglican's Chief Editor Revd Canon Prince Odoemena paid a visit to Anglican Communion's office in London where they had initial discussion and consideration of the possibility of an official partnership between World Anglican Directory and The Anglican Communion's Office in London. They will have such further meetings in 2018.

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I am not sure how to request for this article to be added as part of the Anglicanism Project on Wikipedia, can someone please help? Pdominic (talk) 10:02, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

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Anglican scholasticism?

I created Protestant scholasticism as a catchall for Lutheran scholasticism and Reformed scholasticism. According to one of the sources I cite in the article, Anglicanism never developed a body of scholastic theology, yet from a brief internet search I came across indications that there may have been some sort of Anglican scholasticism in the 1600s or so. If anyone has any information relevant to this question, please add it to the article. Thanks. Ltwin (talk)

Proposal for a new infobox

I'm thinking about creating a new infobox template, (potentially) called Infobox church office. While I have mainly Catholic offices in mind, I think it can be used for Anglican ones as well, and potentially others, such as Latter-day Saint ones. I envision it being something of a cross between {{Infobox organization}} and {{Infobox official post}}, except customized to allow parameter labels and template designs that are specific to a given church. I imagine it being used as the primary infobox on articles about specific positions, like Cardinal Vicar and Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (Catholic), and Archdeacon of Westminster (Anglian). It would be able to accommodate offices held by individuals, such as Cardinal Vicar, as well as those that are collective bodies, such as the Congregations. It would not be used for general positions, like periodeutes or hierodeacon. What do people think of this? Ergo Sum 03:27, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

What I think of this is that you have created this thread without mentioning that you had already started similar threads elsewhere, contrary to WP:MULTI. The earliest that I can find is at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Catholicism#Proposal for a new infobox. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 07:26, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Links to DAB pages

I have a whole pile of articles bookmarked which have {{disambiguation needed}} tags about where a clergyman served. Solving these problems may need access to Crockford's.

Can any experts here help solve this first batch of problems? Even knowing the dedication of a church, and whether the incumbent was a rector or a vicar, can sometimes be enough to help solve puzzles like these.

If you do manage to solve one of these problems, take the {{disambiguation needed}} tag off and mark it here as {{done}}. If you can half-solve a problem, add your findings here.

This article, however, just needs a year filling in:

Thanks in advance for any help. Narky Blert (talk) 01:07, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Ichthus May 2018 is available

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Number of parishes in the Diocese of Bath and Wells

Can anyone help with a query at Talk:List of ecclesiastical parishes in the Diocese of Bath and Wells#Number of parishes. The list, which is currently nominated at FLC has an infobox, copied from Diocese of Bath and Wells , saying there are 477 parishes. This has been challenged and a figure of 465 proposed. Can anyone give an accurate figure and definitive source?— Rod talk 16:27, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

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Ichthus June 2018 is out now!

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Edward Stopford (priest) listed at Requested moves

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Coronation of Elizabeth II listed at Requested moves

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Robert Baron listed at Requested moves

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