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Adding Images up for deletion

Can we add a section for images up for deletion? User:Community Tech bot is now producing this data and tagging talk pages with this info. Would be good to have it grouped and put here Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Article_alerts for medical articles for example. Thanks Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 08:50, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

WP:FfD is already implemented, unless it is not working. The problem before was lack of project tags, so very few ever showed up. Should there be any active in Medicine project? —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 11:00, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

User:Hellknowz this bot is listing about 50 per day per [1]

Do a control f for "File(s) used on this page are up for deletion" in that contributions list. The bot just became active a few days ago. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 12:48, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

The bot should theoretically pick them up then. For example, here's FFD working. Unfortunately, it doesn't report these based on what pages they are transcluded. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 14:03, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

See long-standanding feature request. @Hellknowz: now that you have redirect target logic implemented, could this (with some modification) be the basis for media-related alerts too? Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 17:09, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Unfortunately, no. Redirects have one and precisely one target (that is returned by API in the same query). But file usages/transclusions can have many pages that need a separate query for each file. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 09:19, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

I am not sure I understand. Does this mean we cannot collect here Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Article_alerts all the recent images that are marked for deletion within medical articles by the User:Community Tech bot? Or just that this is not something you are interested in and that I should go ask someone else? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 12:32, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, I was replying to Headbomb about the feature request. The bot already collects the images if they are tagged. This is the FfD section in the reports -- "files for discussion". This is the default behaviour and any tags placed by User:Community Tech bot will get seen.

Headbomb is talking about images that are not tagged, but the pages that use them are tagged. In any case, I just implemented that too. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 13:53, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

For this request, the bot would likely need to parse the sub-categories of Commons:Category:Deletion requests, cross check on which articles those are used, and then check those articles against subscriptions. CommunityTechBot doesn't post any tags, so nothing that bot does can be picked with our bot.Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 16:12, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Oh, I see what it does now. I got really confused by the whole "tagging talk pages". Yeah, there's nothing the bot can really pick up from this at the moment. Theoretically, it could, if the talk page notifications had some sort of unique template or category while they are active. But I think at that point I might as well implement Commons discussion parsing directly. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 18:32, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

It is not possible to simple use the Community Tech bot's contribution list? The CTB uses the exact same edit summary for every image it lists as being up for deletion. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 12:43, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Not straightfowardly at least. Our bot would have to determine which of CommmunityTech bot's edits are relevant, looking back X contributions, which can vary a lot depending on CTB's other tasks, then parse the relevant contributions, then parse File information on Commons, then parse discussion information on Commons. Using Commons:Category:Deletion requests and then doing the parsing is much more straightfoward. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 13:22, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

The main issue here is that the bot wouldn't know when the discussion ends. CommmunityTech bot doesn't remove or otherwise flag its old messages. So the bot's contribution history is always "active" -- there is no indication that the discussion is closed. A page like this will have the notice forever or until someone removes or archives it. Which means I have to parse Commons for this anyway if I want to know the actual state of the discussion (or any other info, like dates or users). I'll see what I can do though. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 15:41, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks :-) IMO this would be super useful. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 15:59, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Article alerts incomplete

It appears that the bot that populates WP:WikiProject Politics/Article alerts may be overlooking some, e.g.,

• 26 Oct 2018 – Tony Campbell (politician) (talk · edit · hist) was AfDed 26 Oct 2018; see discussion; (relisted)
       —  JGHowes  ^talk 13:46, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

That page is not part of the project in the sense that it's not tagged with {{WikiProject Politics}}. That's why the bot skips it. I see other bio pages tagged with the project's banner, so I assume it is just this page (and probably others) missing it. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 13:52, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Transclusion of templates that aren't in the original

In this edit, in the PRODs section, AAlert Bot is transcluding {{Notability|Bio|date=May 2019}}{{Unreferenced|date=May 2019}} when these are no longer part of the {{Proposed deletion/dated}} template in the PRODded page. They were moved out of the prod template in this edit. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:12, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for reporting. The bot doesn't re-read pages it has already seen. But I manually set it to re-read that one. It should get fixed next run. As a side-note, I really need to improve user text parsing some day... —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 09:07, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Setting up

So will the bot automatically populate the information needed in the page Wikipedia:WikiProject_Genealogy/Article_alerts, or do I need to add some wikicode to set it up? I already added the project to the subscription list page, and had to create Wikipedia:WikiProject_Genealogy/Article_alerts as a new blank page. Tea and crumpets (talk) 21:10, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

@Tea and crumpets: This is correct and all you have to do. The bot will create whatever other pages it needs to tomorrow morning when it runs. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:16, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Ok, thanks! Tea and crumpets (talk) 22:08, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

@Tea and crumpets: Sorry about this, I meant to copy-paste from below and change things to genealogy, but I brainfarted. You fixed things so everything should be good tomorrow. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 23:04, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Computer down

@Hellknowz: just a heads up that my computer will be offline for the foreseeable future. A CPU fan died, and my computer now doesn't POST after I changed it. It will be a few days before I can diagnose the exact issues / get new parts as I am traveling.

On the "plus" side, if my i7-4790K is fried, it's very likely I will get the new Ryzen 3900 with monster performance, especially in parallel tasks.

I am however hoping it's just a fan/faulty wiring issue. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 09:13, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Empty a bag of dry ice onto the motherboard. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 13:41, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

@Hellknowz: Fried PSU. Luckily I had a spare around. Things should resume as normal from tomorrow onwards. Still going to order a new one because I'm not comfortable with a 700W-only PSU. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 02:08, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

AAlertBot

Seems the bot has stopped on July 19 [2]. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 07:51, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for notice. Looks like it failed to run on Headbomb's revived PC. It should run in a bit from my side. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 08:29, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Multiple infoboxes/categories?

Is it possible to set up Article alerts based on multiple infoboxes and/or talk page categories? Wikipedia:WikiProject Tree of Life is effectively a meta-project covering all articles on biological taxa. Very few articles are tagged directly for the project, but the project talk page attracts discussions from editors interested in a variety of different kinds of organisms (which are tagged for various sub-projects). It would be helpful to have article alerts cover articles tagged for the various ToL subprojects.

Currently, article alerts for Tree of Life are largely based on the presence of {{Speciesbox}}. However, this isn't the only infobox used in relevant articles. {{Automatic taxobox}} is widely used, as is {{Taxobox}} (although articles are slowly being converted from using Taxobox to Automatic taxobox or Speciesbox). There are a few other infobox templates that are used in a small number of articles.

|talksubcategories= implies that multiple categories could be supported, but I don't see any examples on the subscription page of multiple subcategories, and it's not clear what syntax should be used if multiple categories are in fact supported. If multiple categories are supported, that could be a solution.

Category:Articles with 'species' microformats includes all the articles I'd like to see covered in Tree of Life article alerts, but it is not a talk page category. Plantdrew (talk) 20:34, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

There is no way to subscribe to multiple sources of the same type (i.e. 2 infoboxes). But you can however subscribe to a main category. I added the category for the subscription. It seems to work fine. 400,376 pages is a bit crazy for a project and it will slow the bot a bit, but it's probably okay. The actual number of pages in workflows is much lower. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 21:03, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

See also this feature request. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 22:22, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Awesome, thank you Hellknowz. Headbomb, I'm not sure where else it would make sense to generalize with multiple parameter switches, but it would certainly be appropriate for Tree of Life. I do want to note that |maincategory isn't documented at Wikipedia:Article alerts/Subscribing and the plural form of |talksubcategories= implies that multiple subcategories are supported, which should be clarified if that is note the case. Plantdrew (talk) 04:44, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Subscriptions aren't really supposed to use main categories. The point was that project pages are tagged by a project banner. Later it turned out that task forces and certain projects don't have banners, but use categories. And some don't have a single category, only WP 1.0 categorization. Then a few projects use easily-identifiable infoboxes and some have easily-identifiable main category, especially on new articles. So those were added one at a time, but not in any sort of modular way. Adding more options gets exponentially messier and it's already near-impossible to mes with these. It's something I might do in the future, but then it would also at the cost of not implementing features and fixing bugs that have been around forever. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 07:17, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

WikiProject Foo/Article alerts/Archive

I'm not sure what purpose is served by keeping "alerts" all the way back to 2010, other than cluttering the hell out of Special:Whatlinkshere (for users and articles alike). In fact, I'd propose a maximum shelf life of 90 days. Sooner for WikiProjects of overly broad scope, such as "Years". ―cobaltcigs 13:39, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

The archiving as a feature was never revisited since the bot's inception. It seemed like a good idea at the time, but obviously the amount and history of these pages has gone way beyond manageable numbers. To be honest, I think it's kind of useless. I don't think anyone has ever used it for anything productive. One reason I can imagine is to see what kind of stuff has happened over time and which articles were involved in what sort of discussions and what direction the projects are taking. But that feels like a job for database/dump parsing to prepare reports with some actually meaningful metrics. And I do hear you on "what links here" clutter, especially to users. Personally, I would not miss archives if they disappeared. And I imagine no one would even notice for a long time if we just switched them off. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 14:24, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Personally, I find the archives useful. It's not like I use them daily, but every now and then I go "Wasn't there a discussion about... " and I'll dig up the archives. If a specific WikiProject doesn't feel the need for archives, they could always disable them / clear old entries, but by default archives are more useful than not. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:39, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Article alerts/Problem entries/Old

Has not been updated since July 29. Thanks for your hard work. --Finngall ^talk 16:40, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, the bot is hitting page size limit after recent merge/split/AfC addition because most of the backlog is "old". I need to redo the whole reporting and "old" decision logic to get that running again. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 18:20, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Article alerts/Workflow grouping

Is "DYKN" really in the 'GOOD' group? I'd have figured MISC if anything. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 12:30, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

I guess the idea is that it's "good" enough to show on the main page; there's a review process and everything -- the better side of new or expanded pages. Could move it to MISC. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 09:43, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:Peer review/header and Template:Peer review/heading nominated for merging

Template:Peer review/header has been nominated for merging with Template:Peer review/heading in this Templates for Discussion thread. I thought people here might be interested due to the bot usage warning on both templates' documentation. –Sonicwave ^talk 22:15, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice! I finally checked it out and it doesn't look like these two will have any impact on the bot. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 10:26, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Bot

Seems AAlertBot has stopped working on September 5 [3]. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 08:49, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for notice! I ran the bot now. Looks like it actually finished the run, so the data is there, just the very last pages failed to upload. Pingalingading @Headbomb: —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 10:24, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Update 2: AAlertBot stopped working yesterday! Hellknowz Jovanmilic97 (talk) 10:46, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for notice. I already asked Headbomb to (re)start it manually, but he hasn't gotten to it yet. I can't really run it on my end because the data files are in the "middle of a run". —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 11:00, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Category alert not listed for WikProject Chess

Category:Women's World Chess Champions was tagged for speedy renaming on 20 Sept 2019, but not listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Chess/Article alerts. Full category discussions don't seem to have generated alerts there either (e.g. not Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2018_March_21#Category:Gambits). What's the problem, please? – Fayenatic London 21:15, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Speedy stuff is not listed in alerts by design, only CfDs with discussions. I'm afraid I can't check the other one since it's deleted. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 21:32, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Category:Gambits was in Category:Chess openings and Category talk:Gambits was tagged with {{WikiProject Chess}}. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:00, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. It sounds like it should have been reported, I have no idea why it wasn't. May be syntax on the page was malformed or something. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 22:05, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Template:TFAFULL

There's a message on that template page to leave a notice here if we're going to fiddle with this template. It looks like we are, based on the discussion at WT:TFA#Featured topics. If I understand right, your bot is expecting this template to be present, so I guess what I'll do is just expand the template so that it can take two parameters, on those days when the TFA has a Featured Topic. - Dank (push to talk) 02:01, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice. The bot uses the template to get the page name from the dated TFA pages. I'll take a look once you make your changes and see if I need to adjust anything. I can also check for a different template(s), like {{TFAFULL2}}, I didn't even realize those existed. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 08:27, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

TFAFULL2 didn't exist until yesterday. When there's just one parameter, it duplicates the action of TFAFULL. I'm assuming you guys will want me to rename TFAFULL2 to TFAFULL at some point ... let me know if not. - Dank (push to talk) 12:49, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Less templates is probably better all around, so I would say TFAFULL can just support second parameter (i.e. move TFAFULL2 to TFAFULL). I'll update the code to use the second parameter. Feel free to do it whenever, I'll change the bot later, nothing will break meanwhile. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 13:19, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Missed TfD for WikiProject Shakespeare

Moved to Wikipedia_talk:Article_alerts/Bugs#TfM_not_picked_up — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hellknowz (talk • contribs) 16:06, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Templates tagged for discussion not listed for Water polo work group

1. Template:2018 Asian Games water polo convenience template navbox was tagged for discussion on 16 November 2019‎, but not listed in Wikipedia:WikiProject Swimming/Water polo work group/Article alerts or Wikipedia:WikiProject Swimming/Article alerts. I found that it was listed in Wikipedia:WikiProject Water sports/Article alerts.
2. Template:2018 Asian Games women's water polo round robin standings, Template:2018 Asian Games men's water polo group A standings and Template:2018 Asian Games men's water polo group B standings were all tagged for discussion on 15 November 2019‎, but not listed in Wikipedia:WikiProject Swimming/Water polo work group/Article alerts or Wikipedia:WikiProject Water sports/Article alerts. I found that they were all listed in Wikipedia:WikiProject Swimming/Article alerts.

It looks like something is wrong. These templates should have been listed in Wikipedia:WikiProject Swimming/Water polo work group/Article alerts. Can someone fix it? --Phikia (talk) 05:59, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

The templates are listed for projects that have banners/categories present on those talk pages. As far as I can see, the reports match the project tagging. If you want the pages listed under additional projects, then you need to tag the pages for those projects as per normal project tagging (banner/workgroup param). The bot won't report the pages to any other projects. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 10:10, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Ok, thanks! --Phikia (talk) 01:36, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Missing parens

The bot message seems to need a closing parenthesis at the end. Jmar67 (talk) 20:50, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

It's so that it ends up looking like this in watchlists: "(BOT: Updating Article alert report: +1 AfD; +1 FfD; +1/-1 AFC; 6 entries archived) (HB/181/AR)" where the first and last parenthesis are added by the watchlist text itself. I know it's a bit silly. I might adjust it to not assume there are parenthesis. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 22:49, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

The last edit summary in my watchlist was "BOT: Updating Article alert report: No major changes; 1 entries archived) (HB/181/AR". The parens after "archived" is superfluous (did not notice this until now), and one is missing at the end. Jmar67 (talk) 23:29, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

This is what it looks like on desktop. On mobile, it will not have the parenthesis, which is probably what you are using. The parens after "archived" closes the "first" parens, which is only there on desktop version. I have never changed this since the bot's creation. At the time, editing on mobile ranged from impossible to extra cumbersome. I'll adjust it in a future update. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 10:06, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

The adjustment would be pretty simple. Instead of ) (, just use , . Or [HB/181/AR] even if it will close with ]). Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 11:16, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

article links

The December 28 and 29 diff edit summaries at WP:CHIAA did not include article links.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:58, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

I suspect it has to do with what the length of the edit summary would have been if the links were included. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 14:16, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Yes, if the summary with links exceeds the MediaWiki summary length limit, then the bot will post the summary without links. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 14:34, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Misreported close

Hi, I noticed that this update by AAlertBot lists me as the closer of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prabhat Maurya. I wasn't the actual closer, but I was the last person to edit the AfD page, following its blanking by a socking vandal. Spike 'em (talk) 10:00, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Hey! Usually, the bot can detect these, but something got it confused this time. I'm not really sure what, but I'll put it on the bug list. Thanks for reporting. I tried to reget the page's closure data for today's run, but it seems that didn't work. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 09:41, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

No update

Appears the bot didnt update this morning. Noah^Talk 11:45, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

@Hellknowz/Headbomb AAlertBot seems non operative for a couple of days ... at least for Computing alerts/software alerts ... likely needs a kick ... thanks.Djm-leighpark (talk)

@Hurricane Noah: @Djm-leighpark: Thanks for reporting guys, I saw the message earlier but didn't get around to responding. The bot crashed a couple days ago mid-run and so didn't run the next day either. We tried rerunning, but there were further issues. I actually just reran it today (with some duplication reported). —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 10:27, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Baseball FT incorrect

At Wikipedia:WikiProject Baseball/Article alerts the Nashville Sounds featured topic nomination of 04 Sep 2019 subsequently failed and was not removed. It was renominated on 13 Feb 2020, but only one additional article added to the topic was reported on the alert page. NatureBoyMD (talk) 14:44, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

I set the relevant pages for re-retrieval and the new report/data seem correct today. This happened because the nomination was never technically closed on the talk pages. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 11:49, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Alert for new articles from main namespace

Looking at Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia/Article alerts. There are AfC entries at the end, and they are all 'Draft:'s. What about newly created articles in the main namespace? --Gryllida (talk) 05:39, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Also how do I see the complete list? I'd perhaps like to start with older entries one day. Gryllida (talk) 05:40, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Articles created in the mainspace don't require 'action' and aren't part of any workflow, unlike submitted Drafts, which enter WP:AFC, and require review. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 07:03, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Ta. Perhaps the mainspace ones require patrol? Gryllida (talk) 08:11, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Question about the older entries was about Drafts, btw. Gryllida (talk) 08:13, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Re: New Page Patrol. Not sure how useful it would be, but you can always make a feature request. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 08:14, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Also I'm not really sure what you mean by "how do I see the complete list". For AFC, all articles tagged with {{WP Australia}} are reported in the AFC section. The oldest is Draft:Nick Annas, from 21 May 2019 (the dates are a bit wonky at the moment though). Do you not see this? Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 08:16, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, they are not chronological. Does it mean there is only 7 drafts tagged with Australia? Gryllida (talk) 08:25, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Done. Gryllida (talk) 08:28, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

They are chronological (currently by date of creation, rather than submission), with active submissions first, and resolved submissions last (the red dates ones). And yes, at the moment, 7 Drafts are tagged as relevant to WP Australia. It doesn't mean they are the only ones that exist, but those are the ones that were tagged with the {{WP Australia}} banner. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 08:29, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. Now I've understood where to request the feature, and had a chance to have a more careful look at the drafts list (and also understand that it is not trimmed). Appreciate your assistance. Gryllida (talk) 00:39, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Stopped?

Seems that AAlert has stopped working on March 21 [4]. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 12:11, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for notice. The bot stopped mid-run, so @Headbomb: needs to resume it properly. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 12:19, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

I'll take a look shortly. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 14:53, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Templates made for stub template nominations at CfD

Not sure if the bot/folks care, but since {{Cfd2}}, etc. mention this project, I figured I'd let this page know that I created {{sfd-t2}} and {{sfr-t2}} for stub template nomination discussions; (somewhat) more at WT:CFD. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 16:15, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Update for the AAlertBot

Seems that it stopped again, and on the same place, which is Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Article alerts [5] and [6]. So either that Article Alert thread or the one that comes after it are blocking it for some reason. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 22:00, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, there's some sort of error with... something. But I have to run it in debug mode to know what it is. I don't have time to debug it now, so I'll run/check it tomorrow. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 22:31, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

• The problem was: Invalid discussion page name [[#Merger proposal Nacozari de García]] in MRG for Nacozari de García Municipality —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 10:52, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Possible bug related to MRG?

Hey, just wanted to know that if there is a merge tag in one of the articles to be merged and not in the other article which it is proposed to be merged with (and both articles are under the subscription subcategory) then will the bot send an alert? Just confirming to know that the it wasn't a bug. Talking with respect to: Locomotives of India and List of diesel locomotives of India, Article alert page link. Sorry for bothering again, though --Field Marshal Aryan (talk) 08:43, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

The bot only uses the "outgoing" merge direction, that is {{merge to}} and ignores pages with {{merge from}}. It's assumed that both would be used and that both should have the same banners. It's not the best logic, but it's a lot of extra work to get both pages, then decide if they are correctly pointing at each other (there can be multiple targets or sources), then merge the final entry. So I've not added anything more and because it "just works" most of the time. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 16:55, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Noted! Thanks --Field Marshal Aryan (talk) 17:16, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Old stale discussions in Article alerts

Hello. When there is an old split discussion (or merge discussion, or other "less formal" discussion), such as in Wikipedia:WikiProject_Formula_One#Article_alerts, the split discussion for 1994 Formula One World Championship on Talk:1994 Formula One World Championship from 2016 which clearly isn't going to have any more input (it would need to be a new discussion), does the discussion on the talk page need to be closed to remove it from Article alerts, or only the split template removed from the article? Thanks. A7V2 (talk) 01:51, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi! The split template from the article needs to be removed since that is what places it in Category:All articles to be split. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 08:41, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. I've done that now. A7V2 (talk) 00:03, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Another stop

Seems that AAlertBot didn't do a single edit today for some reason. I thought I should report that here in case something happened. Regards, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 20:46, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for reporting. Yeah, the bot crashed yesterday before finishing the run. @Headbomb: must run it on his end since it didn't finish last time. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 21:08, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Spurious article split proposal(s)

I noticed the proposed article split of Tanks in the German Army by BrownHairedGirl, but could not find the proposal at the subject page or any discussion. I asked her and she could not recall making any such proposal. It's dated over a year ago. Several other proposed splits have no discussions on their respective talk pages. RobDuch (talk·contribs) 02:41, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

See Tanks in the German Army#Interwar period and Grosstraktor. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 02:42, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Good and Featured topic candidates out of date inquiry

Hello. Both Category:Wikipedia Good topic candidates and Category:Wikipedia featured topic candidates are out of date as there are no candidates in the Wikipedia:Featured topic candidates page. I was wondering why these categories are not in sync with the candidates page. Thanks! --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 23:32, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

New versions of {{merge}} and {{split}}

Moved to WP:VPT

— Preceding unsigned comment added by JsfasdF252 (talk • contribs) 20:50, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

The bot stopped

Per [7], AAlertBot stopped 3 days ago. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 09:50, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Bold entries

Why are some of the entries listed in boldface?--Hildeoc (talk) 15:53, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

The entries that are new since the last update to the page are bolded so it's easier to see daily changes. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 16:07, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Ah, okay, thanks a lot!--Hildeoc (talk) 16:12, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Templates for discussion

It doesn't seem like any templates for discussion nominations are being added to the article alerts for any of the projects. Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Article alerts is where I first noticed it, but I also checked others like Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Article alerts. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 16:46, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

@Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars: Do you have a specific example of a TFD discussion that was missed? Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:11, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

@Hellknowz:, after investigating, it seems like {{The Sketches}} isn't reported at Wikipedia:WikiProject Pakistan/Article alerts. Likewise for {{Big Four (tennis)}} at Wikipedia:WikiProject Tennis/Article alerts. We have a bug! Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:15, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. I had noticed after I nominated {{Third Strike (album)}} at TfD and it wasn't appearing on article alerts for albums, even though it had the project tag. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 15:20, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm guessing it's because of this param |bigbox={{#invoke:Noinclude|noinclude|text=yes}} and the template parsing fails. I've never seen this used before and my template parser is before module invokes even existed. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 16:51, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Is there any way to fix this? Projects aren’t being notified when templates are being nominated for deletion, probably resulting in less productive dialog in some cases. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 16:30, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

I can fix it, but I just don't have the time needed right now. I recently spent several full days fixing another bug (not yet done with it) and I just can't devote this much voluntary time to this. But I'm aware of it and I will try and fix it at some point. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 17:45, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Crashed bot

The bot appears to have stopped mid-run today (it updated only one of the four alerts pages I watch), the status report says it's crashed, I think just after 10am. Thryduulf (talk) 14:20, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for notice. I reset it for a rerun today. It "lost" some edit summaries because it got logged out and failed to log back in, but kept processing. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 14:36, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

TALKPAGE

Any way we can get the bot to stop using Template:TALKPAGE (see history for Wikipedia:WikiProject Television/Article alerts for example) so my bot can stop fixing it? I think it all started when an editor improperly linked to the discussion here and now the bot continues to use that edit for linking. Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 15:48, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

I set the bot to reget the data for the page, so it should hopefully refresh the page link on next run. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 16:14, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Frequency of updates

How often does the bot update AfC entries at this page? I'd've liked to see at least daily updates. Currently it seems less frequent. --Gryllida (talk) 08:51, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

It is updated daily, but if there's nothing to report, then there's no update. See the footnote at the bottom of the page for when the bot last ran. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 09:59, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Incorrect proposer listed

I made this edit just to fix a template date in a article split request so the article would be correctly categorized by the month/year. This got listed under Articles to be split at Wikipedia:WikiProject Singapore as proposed by me when it was in fact an IP that first added {{split-section}}. Another editor did a split, without there having been any discussion. After that, they discovered it was suggested by an IP, and mentioned on my TP that they were mislead and may not have done the split had they realized the request came from an IP (not to disparage all IPs). Regardless, the "proposer" of the split was listed incorrectly. Can this be fixed (identifying the edit that added first added the template)? MB 20:25, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Failed subscription

I tried to set up a subscription for Wikipedia:WikiProject United States/Hispanic and Latino Americans task force/Article alerts but the banner is red-linked Wikipedia:Article alerts/Subscription list. Carley Shimkus is currently an AfD. I must have done something wrong. Is it possible to check this out for me? Thanks!15:35, 25 October 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patapsco913 (talk • contribs)

@Patapsco913: I added the appropriate category the subscription should use [8]. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 16:26, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

@Hellknowz: Thanks!! 18:20, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

How does one fix this warning?

[Warning] (11-02-2021 08-06-48) Record List of aviation shootdowns and accidents during the Iraq War with subscription-based ACR date and user retrieval method had more than one compatible subscription but with different options -- will only process one

Hi, when the above warning shows up on the run log (for several different pages), what would be the procedure to fix it, so it doesn't trigger the warning? Thanks, --Funandtrvl (talk) 18:56, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Hey! It's impossible to fix on Wikipedia. (Technically, you could remove banners of other projects, but that's not really a solution.) The bot just doesn't currently know which subscription added the A-class review. It gets ACR pages, then get pages belonging to projects and matches them. I already have per-project rules to report them, but it seems a lot of pages fall under multiple projects doing ACR so the bot gets confused. I would need to do special pre-processing on ACR pages to see which exact project category it has before I match things. This is somewhat convoluted with the way I have things set up from the start. Unfortunately, I really haven't had the time lately to do lots of work like this. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 19:13, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the explanation! I wondered why it was showing up, but that makes sense :) --Funandtrvl (talk) 17:29, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Bug report template typo

The link to file a AA bug report creates a new talk page topic with pre-filled text for the different bug report items. I just happened to notice that this text includes "Filled by" when it should say "Filed by". Typo has been around for a while! -- LJ ↗ 19:47, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

It's meant to be "filled" from "fill", not from "file". As in, the person who filled out the form (not the person who filed a bug report). That said, it should have been "Filled out by" then. But I guess "Filed by" is simpler, so I changed to that. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 19:59, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

AAlertBot

It seems that AAlertBot stopped working after yesterday's edits, didn't update today's logs. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 18:23, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

It ran today as scheduled. I had my PC off yesterday, so it simply didn't run at all. —  HELLKNOWZ ∣ TALK 10:54, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

is anyone watching the feature request page?

Is anyone watching the feature request page? I made a request at Wikipedia talk:Article alerts/Feature requests#Only one listing per discussion on any one page 2 months ago, but still got zero response. 2.55.4.72 (talk) 01:40, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi, yes I saw it. There wasn't anything I needed to clarify and I know exactly what you are requesting, so I didn't make any comment. I haven't had time to work on this, so I have no updated either. I am swamped with real-life stuff and I cannot make any estimates either. —  HELLKNOWZ ∣ TALK 10:28, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Bad link to RfD

In this edit, AAlertBot made a link formatted as [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 October 20#<1>|discussion]] - the link should have been [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 October 20#Thames foot tunnel|discussion]], so is the <1> a placeholder for the true link fragment? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:21, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Bump. I've restored this item from Archive 6, after seeing the same issue reported at Template talk:Redirect for discussion#Broken links in the article alerts. – wbm1058 (talk) 21:45, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Greta Thunberg keeps coming back!

Tried to get her off https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Climate_change but she won't split! (even though we don't want to split her article)

Chidgk1 (talk) 15:00, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

That's because it's in Category:All articles to be split because Greta_Thunberg#Honours_and_awards has {{Split section}}. I guess I need to manually exclude templates that are not full article splits. —  HELLKNOWZ ∣ TALK 18:56, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

A possible issue

The article /Drive has been prodded. However it can't be linked to (due to the slash) from Wikipedia:WikiProject Automobiles/Article alerts so I added a note in brackets with a link to a redirect (with this edit [9]) for the benefit of anyone trying to find the prodded article. Is this likely to cause a problem for the bot? If so please feel free to revert and/or change my note if I don't do it myself quickly enough. Otherwise I suppose we can wait and see what the bot does tomorrow! A7V2 (talk) 07:57, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

@A7V2: It won't cause a problem as such, but the bot will overwrite the page (and remove the note) next time it updates it. —  HELLKNOWZ ∣ TALK 10:07, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Possible bot freeze issue

Seems the AAlertBot started running at regular time [10], and just stalled since. Regards, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 12:56, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

@Headbomb: —  HELLKNOWZ ∣ TALK 09:49, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Will take a look shortly. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 09:50, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Gave it a kick in the bolts. Should be fine now. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 10:18, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

The bot listing a phantom MfD

In this edit, the bot listed the page Wikipedia:WikiProject Eurovision/Assessment as having been nominated for MfD. However, I can't find a trace of anything like that happening; the MfD page has never been created and the page itself has not been edited in months. The following day, it said the discussion was closed. Is this some rare bug? ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 01:12, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

See Wikipedia talk:Article alerts/Bugs#Fake MfD alert. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 01:38, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Ah, interesting. Thanks. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 11:48, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Deletion sorting by Canadian province

Just FYI, WikiProject Canada has established a consensus to deprecate the comprehensive set of 13 "deletion sorts by Canadian province or territory", on the grounds that most of them were rarely if ever actually used at all, and even the ones that have been used have virtually never had more than a handful of articles on them at any one time -- and even the main Canadian deletion sorting page itself has never, ever had so many articles on it at once that it actually needed the subsorts as a size management strategy either. Accordingly, all of the 13 provincial or territorial delsorts that were in Category:Wikipedia deletion sorting by Canadian province have been redirected back to the Canada-wide list. Bearcat (talk) 17:21, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

pagelink available?

For example Wikipedia:WikiProject Elements/Article alerts: does not have a source link. I could use a

link. Is there a background reason for this omittance? No edit link I understand, but maybe talk link too? -DePiep (talk) 07:32, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

If you're viewing Wikipedia:WikiProject Elements/Article alerts, why do you need a link to that page? You're already there. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 07:34, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

I got there by having to research a transclusion (backtracking). Which is the background of this question. I note that your reply could be said about every template /doc page, while having V-T-E links. -DePiep (talk) 07:40, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

You're still not answering the question, if you're viewing Wikipedia:WikiProject Elements/Article alerts, why do you need a link to that page on the very page you are currently viewing? Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 08:16, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

IIRC, I was the one asking a question. Meanwhile, your response is some fallacy. -DePiep (talk) 08:29, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Then I hope you enjoy living without an answer. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 14:14, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Why didn't you use my 07:40 reply? -DePiep (talk) 18:00, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

@DePiep: The main reason is because the report pages are transcluded differently, so it's not clear where the parent page would or wouldn't want to place such links. Some reports are in boxes, others as a section, some as columns. A bunch of users are transcluding them on their own pages. So there isn't a standard way. But you can add custom additional content to the page before {{anchor|AAstart}} and after {{anchor|AAend}} tags on the page. Projects usually place their project header above. But you could place v/e/h links or some such and make it include only, possibly with a custom parameter. —  HELLKNOWZ ∣ TALK 18:06, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! I see. -DePiep (talk) 18:13, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Not running on WikiProject Biography

Hi, I added WikiProject Biography to the subscription list, but the bot doesn't seem to be running. Could you take a look? Thanks! 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 22:34, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

@EpicPupper: Hey! That's because there is a naming clash between subscriptions because all three have that specific name "WikiProject Biography". This should work. —  HELLKNOWZ ∣ TALK 15:10, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

@EpicPupper Fyi, I have added back the Requested moves for WikiProject Biography subscription because it is transcluded on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography currently. I tried to do a transclusion of the RM section in the Misc report, but it seems not to work. – robertsky (talk) 10:46, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Wiki Lethwei Project Alerts

Hi, how long does it take for an alert to appear on the Wikiproject page? I DelProd Nilar Win and I don't see it yet on Wikipedia:WikiProject Lethwei#Article Alerts. Thank you for your help! Lethweimaster (talk) 10:26, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

@Lethweimaster: Hey! The bot runs once a day in UTC morning. There's a "Last bot run around 07:07, 6 September 2022 (UTC)" message at the bottom of the alert's page. It basically runs at 7AM UTC give or take a few hours based on DST and schedulers. But it's once a day. So that's when it would be reported if the nomination was before that. Your PROD was placed at 08:53, September 6, 2022, which would be a couple hours later. So it will (hopefully) detect it tomorrow and report to the subscribed projects. —  HELLKNOWZ ∣ TALK 13:39, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the answer! Lethweimaster (talk) 15:39, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

PROD information enhancement

I notice that concern has started appearing next to PRODs on the Alert list. That is a very useful enhancement. AllyD (talk) 07:25, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

This has always been the case, since the very first revision. If they were missing, then there likely was a problem with the template on the page. —  HELLKNOWZ ∣ TALK 10:21, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Actually, because I had been seeing only dePRODs recently, I had forgotten the summary previously showed the the rationale in small text, but this week I am seeing concern with the hoverable explanation this week (which is more concise). AllyD (talk) 13:16, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Oh, right. I honestly have forgotten half the things the code does. So PRODs (or other workflows with user comments) only show the actual comment text if there are 3 or less entries. The idea is that a lot of entries means a lot of text, so it's best to condense it. But if there are very few, might as well list everything. —  HELLKNOWZ ∣ TALK 21:24, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Ah, a neat piece of responsiveness to quantity, thanks! AllyD (talk) 07:36, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Did I do it correctly?

I was wondering if or not I subscribed Wikipedia:WikiProject London/Public art correctly to the ArticleAlerts. Can someone take a look once please? Thanks! —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 08:15, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

@CX Zoom: I did see your subscription and fixed it afterwards. It should work now, although it looks like there are no pages to report. If there should be any, let me know and I'll take a look again. —  HELLKNOWZ ∣ TALK 09:56, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 09:58, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Looks like it is working good now, Special:Diff/1118671107. Thanks! —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 07:10, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

AAlertBot forgot to remove Ten Capital News from Wikipedia:WikiProject Australian television/Article alerts

Just letting the Wikipedia community know, AAlertBot forgot to remove Ten Capital News from Wikipedia:WikiProject Australian television/Article alerts. From Bas. Bassie f (talk) 00:30, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Bot1058

Bot1058 (talk · contribs) seems to be breaking Article Alerts functionality? If a redirect also has a redirected talk page,the bot "Bot1058" will remove project banners from the talk page, leaving the redirect untracked. So projects will not be informed if the mainspace redirect is nominated for discussion. -- 65.92.246.191 (talk) 06:48, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

That actually shouldn't happen because for redirects the bot checks the target page to match the projects/subscriptions. For example, here most redirects don't even have a talk page. That said, redirects are a mess with lots of corner cases, so it's possible it breaks for some other reason, if you have any missing examples? —  HELLKNOWZ ∣ TALK 10:37, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

I suspect it will happen, since some redirects are specific to a particular project like "xyz (song)" redirecting to "abc (album)", where the song-redirect would be of interest to WikiProject Songs, but not necessarily the album page, which usually do not include WPSONGS. Discussion of the song redirect at RFD would therefore not notify WPSONGS. Or similarly both redirecting to a biography article, which would usually not include either WPSONGS or WPALBUMS; etc -- with other topics like books. -- 65.92.246.191 (talk) 00:21, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Hmmm, yeah, that would happen if the redirect isn't tagged and belongs to a different project than the target page. As for Bot1058, it seems to only change redirects targeting disambiguation pages, which themselves are semi-randomly tagged. So the example is more like xyz -> xyz (disambiguation) -> xyz (song). Generally, projects are very random about which ones do or don't tag their redirects and dabs, so I doubt this makes a huge difference in the grand scheme of things when so many redirects are already missing from reports. In any case, I'm not sure what I could do on my end. —  HELLKNOWZ ∣ TALK 10:47, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Can this bot be used on spanish Wikipedia?

I'm still pretty new here so I'm not sure how different Wikipedias operate. Could I use this bot on a Wikiproject on the spanish Wikipedia? If not, can I request as a feature it's implementation on the spanish Wikipedia? Or operation across different-language Wikipedias is not that easy?

Thank you in advance. Irecorsan (talk) 18:10, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Not really, @Hellknowz: can tell you more about the technical reasons, but the main reason is that it very much relies on how the English wikipedia is structured, and you can't easily port that over. The Wikimedia Foundation once accepted to create a bot like this, but they gave up on it because they considered it too complex and not worth spending time on it despite being a highly requested feature by the community. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 18:14, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, what Headbomb said. It's very English Wikipedia specific. There are probably many similarities with other Wikipedias. But there are probably many more differences. I don't know if it's worth going into technical details, because the list of things that need to be changed is very very long. The bot simply wasn't built with any consideration for multiple Wikipedias. Even some of the English Wikipedia non-standard workflows are a big mess to handle. Personally, there's no way I have the time or resources to do this. In fact, quite the opposite - I was hoping WMF can take over the AA tasks and community contributors can expand from there. So for now it's only English Wikipedia until something major changes or breaks. I can always open-source it, but that would likely mean I will not keep working on it (or be able to offer extensive explanations). —  HELLKNOWZ ∣ TALK 20:10, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Understood, thank you both for your replies and the great work! Irecorsan (talk) 21:47, 10 March 2023 (UTC)