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Armed Forces of Liberia[edit]

Not promoted --Eurocopter (talk) 08:04, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator(s): Buckshot06(prof)
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I am nominating this article for A-Class review because a number of significant additions and changes have been made since the previous peer review, and I think it may be ready for A-Class. Buckshot06(prof) 09:07, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • Dates should be delinked.
  • The lead could do with an expansion to a good two paragraphs or more.
  • There are quite large proportions of the article that appear to be without a cite; please reference these.
Can you say where? Have looked, and appears well cited to me? Buckshot06(prof) 23:18, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Have add in quite a few cite needed tags. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 05:49, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Abraham. Many of the tags you've put in are referenced by a cite attached to the end of the immediately previous sentence. Should I repeat the same cite in the immediately-after sentence? Buckshot06(prof) 08:43, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, just re-add it or move it down. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 11:35, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "HQ at Baworobo (Barrobo District?), Maryland County." Umm, what's with the question mark, and district in brackets?
It means I'm not sure where Baworobo is in Barrobo District, because Barrobo is the only wikipedia article available. I'll change this to a footnote. Buckshot06(prof) 23:18, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Alt text needs to be added to images. Alt text is a brief, but concise, description of what the actual images are of, and is added to the image markup through |alt=.
  • A number of the citations are not correctly formatted. Please remedy this; for web references I would recommend the use of Template:Cite web.
  • Internet references require full access dates.

Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 10:21, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

AustralianRupert's comments:

  • dashes/hyphens should be consistent with WP:DASH; Done
Would someone mind adding in these for me? My keyboard cannot produce the WP-standard dash required.
Done. I think I got them all. — AustralianRupert (talk) 03:44, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • images need alt text; Done - one left (the coat of arms one, but I don't think alt text can be added to it, as I think it is a template)
  • there are a number of disambig links (Buchanan, Gio, Greenville, Harper, Lofa, Paynesville, Sinoe); also there is a circuitous link (Military of Liberia links back to this article); Done
Does anyone know how to change the template 'Military of Africa?' I don't. Buckshot06(prof) 08:43, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There is only one dab link left, and that is the one that points back from the template as mentioned above. I had a look, but I couldn't figure it out. Sorry. Anyone else? — AustralianRupert (talk) 03:52, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Kirill says that it is impossible to change without creating a new military template separate from {{Africa in topic|Military of}}. I think it's in the too-hard basket. Buckshot06(prof) 23:46, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with that assessment. I don't think it would be necessary to do all that just to get rid of the last dab link in the article. As such, (at least from my point of view) I think it should just be taken as given that you've fixed the dab links issue. — AustralianRupert (talk) 14:29, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just a few quick ones. — AustralianRupert (talk) 10:37, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments This is an excellent article, and provides a remarkable level of detail on a topic for which there are few sources. I think that it needs a little bit more work for A-class status though:

  • Some material isn't covered by cites
  • The history section should include some coverage of the coast guard and air force during their previous existence - this could be done by moving some of the material from the 'organisation' section here
  • Why is the US investing in rebuilding Liberia's military? - does this reflect the historical ties between the countries, or are they concerned that Liberia needs a military to protect its independence (or both)?
  • Is any information on the AFL's current weaponry and other equipment available?
I'll have a look. Buckshot06(prof) 08:39, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • While not relevant to A-class status, the red-links for the coast guard and air force in the lead really stand out. Could you create stubs for these?
I understand your point Nick but I do not wish to create tiny stubs with the limited information I have at the moment. When I have more I'll get onto them. Buckshot06(prof) 08:39, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. Nick-D (talk) 08:52, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nick-D (talk) 11:08, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment
  • Watch overlinking, many terms are linked over and over very close to each other.
  • Please cover the citation needed tags.
  • I'd recommend asking for a formal copy-edit, there are some stylistic and flow places that could be improved.
Good job getting this article this far, I'm sure it's much better than most comparable ones. – Joe N 00:00, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments
    • Six websites are reported suspicious, including three dead links. These need to be located and either resurrected, or if this is not possible, substituted/removed.
    • Your introduction needs expanding.
    • I see citation needed tags in the article body. These need to be addressed before A-class can be awarded.
    • The second paragraph of the Doe Regime section is a quote that really ought to be in block quote format.
    • On that note I see a lot of quotes in the article, considering its size I would suggest cutting down on some of this.
  • Good article, but not there yet. Keep up the good work though. TomStar81 (Talk) 08:17, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments
  • There are several citations missing.
  • The history section needs to be structured. It's too long to be read comfortably as a single section.
  • The structure of wealth and power in Liberia should be mentioned in detail because the armed forces maintained this order against the locals in several bloody engagements. That also leads to the traditional recruitment of friendly "warlike" tribes by colonial powers like the African Americans in Liberia or the European powers elsewhere on this continent.
  • The enumeration of military commanders doesn't make sense to me. None of them appear really noteable, even regarding Liberian standards. 0,56% in a popular election for Washington doesn't mean he's popular.
  • "This development dramatically changed the character of the military in Liberia, with consequences already well known.' (Samuel Doe was among this group.) Sawyer also comments that 'recruitment of such individuals for the military was part of Tolbert's efforts to replace aging, illiterate soldiers with younger, literate men who were capable of absorbing technical and professional training." Doesn't help me. I have little knowledge about the history of Liberia. Please explain why this step was fateful and what consequences it had.
  • Who the heck is Charles Taylor who launches this armed invasion in an area with tribes that aren't affiliated with him or his followers? Is he a disgruntled soldier forced into exile? Was he accompagnied by other disgruntled friends? How did he get an armed and organized force that was big enough to threaten the government?
  • Several times there are lists of non-noteable persons. Please remove them and focus on important persons.
  • The rebuilding of the forces needs to be better structured into subchapters. First of all write a brief summary why Taylor doesn't run the country anymore ("killed your mummy, killed your daddy, vote for me" seemed such a promising concept) and why it's full of UN troops (main suppliers and commanders should be mentioned, isn't Nigeria deeply involved?).
  • Then we have 100k people claiming to have been part of an armed force. That's a lot of people with guns and military knowledge. How were these numbers obtained and are the recruits part of that pool?
  • The section about organisation needs to be trimmed and cited. Your scope should be to state the current status without much war history. You may continue the history section with a civil war section that briefly outlines the war and how it affected the remnants of the armed forces. Wandalstouring (talk) 14:59, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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