Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Rondo in C minor (Bruckner) and Intermezzo in D minor (Bruckner)

Rondo in C minor (Bruckner) and Intermezzo in D minor (Bruckner)

The filing party (the editor who opened this request) will add the basic details for this dispute below.

Editors involved in this dispute

1. Francis Schonken (talk · contribs) – filing party
2. Meneerke bloem (talk · contribs)
3. Nikkimaria (talk · contribs)

Articles affected by this dispute

1. Rondo in C minor (Bruckner) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
2. Intermezzo in D minor (Bruckner) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Other attempts at resolving this dispute that you have attempted

• Talk:Rondo in C minor (Bruckner)
• Talk:Intermezzo in D minor (Bruckner)

Issues to be mediated

What is this dispute about? What sections, sentences, or issues in the article(s) can you not agree on? If you are the editor who opened this request, list these issues to be mediated under "Primary issues". If you did not open this request, you can add additional issues to be mediated under "Additional issues". The issues to be mediated would be properly agreed upon later, if this request for mediation is accepted.

Primary issues (added by the filing party)

Request by Meneerke bloem:

As several other users of the WikiProject Classical Music, e.g., Kleinzach, Gerda Arendt, Montanabw and LazyStarryNights, know, I have update during the previous years update nearly all pages dedicated to Anton Bruckner's works, created several new ones: Mass No. 1, Psalms 22, 146, 112 and 114, Germanenzug, etc., and I was one of authors of the new List of compositions by Anton Bruckner - a page, which I am updating every time new info is available. I am also in close contact with Hans Roelofs and John Berky, who, via a broad network of contacts, are updating their website on Bruckner's discography on a regular basis. I have a large discography of Bruckner's works, including all versions of the symphonies and other instrumental works, and all vocal works for which at least one commercial or (known) private recording is available. About my contribution to their website see, e.g., "Informanten"[1] and "Links" on Hans' website, and "First known recording of Pange Lingua (1836)"[2] on John's website.

I would be you very grateful if you could mediate in the following dragging issue: User:Nikkimaria is currently and systematically holding/removing my input and updates on several pages in the Anton Bruckner's project (current concern: Rondo in C minor (Bruckner) and Intermezzo in D minor (Bruckner). The sources which she systematically removed were not self-published, but from reliable sources as e.g., Cornelis van Zwol, Anton Bruckner – Leven en Werken, Thot, Bussum (Netherlands), 2012. ISBN 90-686-8590-2 - a recent anthology of 782 pages on Bruckner's life and compositions (unfortunately only available in Dutch). Van Zwol devoted 20 years of his life to it, having access to Bruckner's original manuscripts and letters, and was during these years regularly in touch with Leopold Nowak and other scholars (editors of Bruckner's works on the Bruckner Gesamtausgabe).

I do not understand why Nikkimaria removed repeatedly infoboxes and text coming from that reference and other references concerning e.g., the retrieval of the original manuscripts and their editions.

Please mediate, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 16:01, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

PS: When the WikiProject Classical music decided to set up the List of compositions by Anton Bruckner I was asked to participate as Bruckner-specialist. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 20:24, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Just helping to get this request for mediation properly filed, adding emphasis for what I suppose to be the crux of the dispute.

Not sure whether to list others that took part in prior discussions as parties for this mediation, they can be added later if needed. --Francis Schonken (talk) 23:56, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Additional issues (added by other parties)

• Suggestion:

I suggest Meneerke bloem and Nikkimaria try to reach an understanding, for which the understanding Gerda Arendt and Nikkimaria were able to reach might serve as a model — although I'd also suggest to base such agreement less on an ownership logic (see e.g. [3]). --Francis Schonken (talk) 09:16, 9 September 2014 (UTC) (updated Francis Schonken (talk) 10:40, 9 September 2014 (UTC))

• Additional issue: infobox of Rondo in C minor (Bruckner)

  FYI: Nikkimaria has in the meantime removed again the infobox of Rondo in C minor (Bruckner). I have not reacted to it. I do not want to fight on and on for it... I have restored some other data, she has left unchanged. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 09:10, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

--Francis Schonken (talk) 09:18, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Parties' agreement to mediation

If you are a named party, please sign below and indicate whether you agree or refuse to participate in mediation. Remember that all editors are obliged to resolve disputes about content through discussion, mediation, or other similar means. If you do not wish to participate in mediation, you must arrange another form of dispute resolution. Comments and questions should be made underneath the numbered list below, to avoid confusion.

1. Agree. Francis Schonken (talk) 23:56, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
2. Agree. Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 07:25, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
3. As this dispute does not currently meet the prerequisites for mediation, this filing is not appropriate at this time. These articles were created not even a week ago and discussion is ongoing on the talk pages, where Meneerke or other parties are welcome to participate if they so choose. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:29, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Decision of the Mediation Committee

This section should only be edited by a mediator. The Mediation Committee's representative will indicate in due course whether the request is accepted (meaning a mediator will be assigned) or rejected (meaning you will have to try a different type of dispute resolution). If the mediator asks you a question in this section, you may edit here.

• Recommend rejection: Primary opponent has declined mediation. Probably ought to go to lower-level dispute resolution first, after additional discussion on the article talk pages. — TransporterMan (TALK) 13:31, 26 September 2014 (UTC) (Committee member)
• Reject: Insufficient agreement to mediation. With the requesting editor's primary opponent declining mediation, attempting mediation would be fruitless. For the Mediation Committee. — TransporterMan (TALK) 16:01, 1 October 2014 (UTC)