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Listed buildings in Poulton-le-Fylde[edit]

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I've listed this article for peer review because I'd like to nominate it at WP:FL and want to know what improvements need to be made. I'm particularly looking for comments on the prose, both in the lead and the list itself.

Thanks, Beloved Freak 22:04, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Brianboulton comments: The list is very nicely produced, with good illustrations. One thing, however, strikes me as odd: are there really only 15 listed structures (five of which are not buildings) in the whole of Poulton? I live in Stamford, in Lincolnshire. which is about the same size as Poulton, and we have over 600 listed buildings. The UK as a whole has over 500,000, so Poulton's share seems distinctly paltry. I see that the main source for the list is British Listed Buildings, which looks reliable, but I am wondering if the list covers the whole of Poulton, or just a section of it? Bearing in mind the broad definition of listed buildings, which basically covers anything built before 1840, I find the figure of 15 strikingly low. Any thoughts in this? Brianboulton (talk) 13:26, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks for the comment. I'm pretty sure the list (on British Listed Buildings) is comprehensive. I think it's reliable, although I believe it is not necessarily up to date, so I will check that there haven't been added very recently. For example, when I was looking at the list for Blackpool, I discovered one that wasn't on the list at that site. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the total for Poulton. Perhaps Stamford has an unusually high number? Our article says that the town has more than half the total for the county of Lincolnshire. I've only recently become interested in this topic, and have only looked at a few places, but I've noticed that the places I've looked at in the north west seem to have fewer listed buildings than those further south. I'll look into it though. --Beloved Freak 13:39, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, Listed Buildings Online, which is more up to date (I didn't use it as a source because it is much more complicated to use) also gives 15 listed buildings. A Historic Survey report from Lancashire County Council says that there are 11 listed buildings within the "defined urban area" used for the survey. This makes sense since five of the buildings are a little bit away from the immediate town centre (one of those obviously falls just within the boundary used by the survey). It also states "few of the pre- and early nineteenth century buildings are listed". So, think the number is right. --Beloved Freak 13:53, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds reasonable. I'll do a quick prose check. It's a long time since I interacted with FL, but this looks pretty good to me. Brianboulton (talk) 15:35, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Prose comments

The second sentence of the lead begins: "Of the fifteen listed buildings and structures in the town, one is classified..." etc, and goes on to mention Grade II*, Grade II and Grade I. No explanation is offered as to what "listed" refers to; non-British readers would be immediately confused. The xplanation comes later in the lead, but it needs to be brought forward. Thus the second sentence could be redrafted along the lines: "There are fifteen buildings and structures in the town which have been listed by the Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport as being of special architectural, historical or cultural significance." Put the stuff about Grade I, Grade II* etc into the remodelled third paragraph.
The subsequent prose doesn't flow well, and isn't too informative in places. For example, to what period of history does the "ancient hundred of Amounderness" relate?
Is St. Chad's, which "became the Anglican parish church at the time of the Reformation" the structure (or its succesor) which dates back to 1094?
Non-British readers may wonder why a 1930s telephone kiosk is of special architectural, historical or cultural significance. A word or two of explanation should be given here.
The reason for listing the Manor House is presumably that it is a fine representative of the "Vernacular Revival" style. The linked article on Vernacular architecture provides a lot of images, none of which bears much resemblance to the Manor House. Is there an architectural distinction between "Vernacular" and "Vernacular Revival"?

Otherwise, I can't see a lot that needs attention, and wish you the best of luck with the article. Brianboulton (talk) 23:43, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much for the comments Brian. All things I hadn't thought of yet, so very helpful. I'll get to work on them. --Beloved Freak 09:27, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]