Wikipedia:Peer review/Fujiwara no Teika/archive1

Fujiwara no Teika[edit]

Between the work me and Cool Cat have done on this article, I think this may one of our best biography articles on a Japanese poet, but I know there's room for improvement, hence this review request. --maru (talk) contribs 17:28, 30 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd request some sort of a structure explaining his clan and his position as it is a bit too technical for me. --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 18:17, 30 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Inline citations, anyone? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 04:15, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you're giving an example poem, and one of the columns is the table is Japanese... how about actually giving the 'Japanese', rather than a transcription (there's width for three columns though, of course). Also, as several of the images contain readable text, it'd be nice to give a translation of it on the image description pages. There is also a commons image that purports to be of him. Romanisation style is inconsistant. Prose could probably do with a copy edit. As waka is such a key word in the article, could probably do with expanding on its meaning in the lead, rather than relying on people already knowing it or diverting via that article. Prose could probably do with a copy edit. Props on the article being much more informative than the ja.wikip equivalent, though. --zippedmartin 09:30, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I would've given it in the original Japanese if I could, but my references only gave transcriptions, and adding actual characters is beyond my skill/knowledge with computers anyway. Likewise, my linguistic skill is incompetent to fix the romanization (I think; I'll need to check. More specific examples would be good - I know that there is some inconsistency between Sadaie no Teika and Fujiwara no Teika romanizations, but are there any others?). But I'll definitely add that picture, and I've long planned to clean up the prose.

And it is pretty cool that I added more than ja's editors did, but I suspect they have for more poems linked to their article than we do. :( --maru (talk) contribs 21:02, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you've also got the fun of hiragana vs. old vs. modern kanji as well. But, a little googling on likely phrases...

http://etext.virginia.edu/japanese/hyakunin/images/onna97.jpg

権中納言定家

こぬ人を　松帆の浦の　夕なぎに

やくやもしほの　身もこがれつつ

(also ja.wikiquote)

Second one can be found at http://www.saigyo.org/saigyo/text/futami_teika.txt

0169

しかばかり　契りし中も　かはりける

此世に人を　たのみけるかな

Note, I know nowt about Japanese poetry, in any form... You could probably do with an expert. --zippedmartin 00:23, 4 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It could defintely use an expert... I'm so far from an expert my computer system can't even display those hiragana or kanji at all. --maru (talk) contribs 19:38, 4 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, *nix sux. :P --zippedmartin 03:30, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. Windows never did a sterling job. It's more a matter that I started with a bare-bones system and never bothered to set up Japanese fonts. --maru (talk) contribs 03:42, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose I should update this; I've added that picture you mentioned, reworked the text of the biography so as to hopefully clarify the clan issue, explained the inconsistent Sadie/Teika thing in the comments, and spent a few moments with apt-get so I can see those hiragana/katakana/kanji etc. --maru (talk) contribs 01:18, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Clan issue should be resolved now. It explains why poetry was significant and what it had to do with clans. Looks much better. I think it can be a FA now. :) --Cat out 10:51, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]