Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/List of NCAA Philippines basketball champions/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list removal nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was kept by Dabomb87 20:40, 30 January 2011 [1].

List of NCAA Philippines basketball champions[edit]

Featured list candidates/List of NCAA Philippines basketball champions/archive1

Featured list removal candidates/List of NCAA Philippines basketball champions/archive1

Notified: Howard the Duck, WikiProject Basketball, Tambayan Philippines, WikiProject Southeast Asia

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 14:36, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list removal because, promoted in early-2006, this is now looking a little worse for wear. Some basic problems:

Bold links in the lead and "This is a list..." starts the whole thing off poorly.
Lead could use some discussion over the actual content of the list as well current discourse about the framework of the competition.
Some bits I can't understand e.g. "earns a twice to beat advantage".
Denoting stuff in bold alone contravenes MOSBOLD.
I'm not sure but I'm pretty convinced there are MOSFLAG issues here as well with each school colour icon being unclear to those who don't know what they're looking at.
Ref placement (e.g. after punctuation, no spaces etc) needs addressing.
WP:DASH problems too, spaced hyphens used instead of en-dashes.
No explanations for some things (e.g. why the 36/37 juniors competition was suspended, why the 37/38 host school was "none", ditto in 81/82....)
Paras preceding tables need work to make sure they read like professional prose.
Last Srs and Last Jrs columns don't sort correctly.
Streaks table needs en-dashes for year ranges.
"Highlighted" streak needs a symbol as well as colour for WP:ACCESS.
Not good on links...

The Rambling Man (talk) 18:53, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hey can this be extended? I'm fixing up more important articles but I made a general clean-up already. The paras preceding the tables are the next to be fixed up. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 09:34, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It sure can. Keep making changes, and if possible, note them here so we can see progress being made against outstanding issues. Good work, all the best, The Rambling Man (talk) 10:13, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – Don't want to review the list too heavily yet, seeing as more work has been promised, but there is one thing I want to bring up quickly. All the sections beginning with List of championships per school are showing up in small type, which is odd. Might want to check the formatting. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 22:11, 11 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I can't understand? Is this a problem in the article or somewhere else? BTW what needs to be done except for the dead links and the paragraphs at the start of each section? –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 03:23, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Good work done so far, from my original list of issues. The dead links need fixing, and yes, the prose in front of each table needs some work, but otherwise I think it's nearly there. Per Giants, the text in the tables in the "List of championships per school" is smaller than it should be, also the tables contravene [[WP:MOSBOLD]. "Highlighted" streak needs a symbol as well as colour for WP:ACCESS. Once these are done, I'll happily re-review. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:38, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes on the text inside the tables. The dead links aren't really dead, they've just changed addresses (I've changed it already but the well-intentioned bot brought those back. I'd deal with these once I finish the Philippine election articles maybe this weekend. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 15:02, 14 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've hopefully done all of them now. I do have a problem on the footnoting in the table can someone help? –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 08:15, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed that one of the footnotes didn't have a corresponding note in the table and fixed it here. Was that the problem, or was it something else? Giants2008 (27 and counting) 23:12, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'd use a different footnoting thingy later. We'll if that'll work. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 02:28, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (27 and counting) 22:07, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

"for the seniors and juniors division from June to October of the academic year." Shouldn't "division" be "divisions" since there are two of them?
Done, and capitalized and added an apostrophe to "Seniors" and "Juniors." –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 03:41, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"in 1960 if a third team had a better cumulative record than either champions, that team will play the champion of the latter half of the season to face the champion of the first half for the league championship." Here, "will play" makes it sound like a current system, which I don't think is the intention. Try replacing it with "played". I see similar issues later with "if a team manages to win all of the elimination round games" and a few other items. If the system no longer exists, use past tense to describe it.
- Made it past tense. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 03:41, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"while their opponents has to win twice." "has" → "have".
- Done. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 03:41, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
In each table, decapitalize Year in Academic Year.
- Done. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 03:41, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
First contraction: Add "into" to "descended a full-blown riot".
- Done. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 03:41, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note a: "when it was revealed when several schools fielded ineligible players." Change the second "when" to "that".
- Done. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 03:41, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The publishers in references 6 and 9 don't need to be linked.
- Done. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 03:41, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The photo captions could use a clean-up. I see some shaky writing like "It will then be followed with 2007 & again in 2008, once again enjoying a 3-PEAT Win" in a couple of them. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 22:38, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- - Done. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 03:41, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- On this last one, that was added by an overly fantatical fanboy lol –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 03:46, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Few more things I saw. Fix these and I'm on the keep side of the fence:

The general reference should be formatted like any other reference, not like something in an external link section.
Remove the all caps from "BACKTRACK" in reference 5.
The first See also link is used in the lead, and doesn't need repeating here. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 22:16, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Y Done –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 00:19, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – A lot of fine work has been done here to get this back up to FL standards. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 22:06, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Question: Does the footnoting still have issues? I'm looking for solutions on that if it won't be that big of an issue I can take it easy on that. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 03:41, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: I have fixed the footnoting problem. I basically ripped off what was used in List of English football champions. This should probably be enough to prevent one of only two non-North American and non-European sports-related FL from being delisted. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 01:53, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep much, much improved. Good work Howard. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:56, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I cleared up a few minor inconsistencies but it should be alright to stay at FL now. Afro (Talk) 03:18, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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