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Nicolas Cage filmography[edit]

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Nominator(s): Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 23:34, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I have expanded its lead, added over 100 sources (one for each of his films), and followed all of the criteria necessary to make this a FL. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 23:34, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments
  • "The following year, he made his feature film acting debut on Fast Times at Ridgemont High" => "The following year, he made his feature film acting debut in Fast Times at Ridgemont High"
  • "the second and last time he was credited as Nicolas Coppola" - maybe worth specifically stating that this is his birth name
  • "for his role on Moonstruck" => "for his role in Moonstruck"
  • "he lent his voice as Grug" => "he voiced the character of Grug"
  • "Direct-to-VOD" - link/explain VOD. I had to stop and think for a moment what it stood for.
  • That's what I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:26, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@ChrisTheDude: All  Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 16:50, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from HAL[edit]

  • Surely there's a better image of Cage than that... If you found other images relevant to a specific film/period, I would add them next to the table.
I mean, there's this but I don't see the need for a change since the current image is clear and has a description related to one of his films. Additional images were removed after they started causing line breaks. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 20:58, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. I'll leave it up to you.02:34, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
  • Best of Times being unaired is unsourced.
 Done Removed. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 20:58, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I like the lead's scope. Covers the important areas.
  • I'm liking all the Roger Ebert references.
  • Is the Rotten Tomatoes summary really the most important/notable commentary on Valley Girl?
Well it's a consensus compiling 30 reliable reviews, so yes? Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 20:58, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's just kind of bland in my opinion, but it's your list in the end. Not a big deal. ~ HAL333 02:34, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • the character of Grug --> "the character Grug" more concise
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 20:58, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The use of "straight-to-video" as a verb is a little weird. Maybe change to "some of which were straight-to-video". More concise as well
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 20:58, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • his highest-grossing film at the box office Is "at the box office" needed?
 Done Removed. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 20:58, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would standardize the table notes. For example, "Producer" versus "Also producer".
I did it that way to make it consistent with other FL-articles, like this one passed in July. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 20:58, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

More comments later. Nice work. ~ HAL333 20:26, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Mental Floss isn't really a high quality RS. You could replace with Vulture.
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 20:53, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's all I got, but I'll go ahead and support. ~ HAL333 14:33, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from TRM[edit]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:02, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
*"began his career in 1981 with The Best of Times, a television pilot" as an actor or a producer?
 Fixed Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 22:16, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • And link pilot.
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 22:16, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "the second and last time he was credited " when was the first time?
... with The Best of Times. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 22:16, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • First two paras of the lead take us to 1989. As per the table, Cage's career was MASSIVE after 1989. This looks totally out of balance.
 Working Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 22:16, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Cage hosted Saturday Night Live and earned" don't assume people know this is a TV show, and it has no relevance to the "and earned" clause.
 Working Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 22:16, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 02:37, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "made his directorial debut with Sonny" curious, you said up front he was an actor/producer, but not director.
I feel that it's misleading to list someone as a director when throughout their career they have produced at least a dozen films and starred in over 100 projects but have only directed once. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 22:16, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • " his most recent" what year?
"In 2002 ... earned him his most recent Best Actor nominations" 22:16, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

That's all I have on a quick pass. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 20:13, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Image review – Pass[edit]

Pamzeis[edit]

  • role in the television pilot The Best of Times — WP:SEAOFBLUE?
  • The following year, he made his feature film acting debut in Fast Times at Ridgemont High, the second and last time he was credited by his birth name as Nicolas Coppola before changing his name professionally to avoid nepotism allegations due to his connection to the Coppola family. — this sentence seems a tad long
  • In 1983, Cage was cast in a leading — this sentence seems to be unsourced unless you mean he starred and acted instead of "was cast"
  • That same year, he — 1986 or 1987?
  • self-indulgent performance." — per MOS:LQ, move the full stop outside the quotation mark
  • In 1992, earned his — missing word there
  • Globe nomination, this time for — I think ", this time" is unnecessary
  • I'm unsure about this but is the hyphen in "critically-acclaimed" necessary?
  • received a nomination for the BAFTA Award for → received a BAFTA Award nomination for (nitpick-y but more concise)
  • Three years later, he starred as a suicidal alcoholic in the critically-acclaimed Leaving Las Vegas and received a nomination for the BAFTA Award for Best Actor in a Leading Role,[8] and earned the Golden Globe for Best Actor – Motion Picture Drama and the Academy Award for Best Actor. — a tad long
  • "In Cage's hands, cartoonish moments are imbued with real emotion and real emotions become cartoons. Everything – from individual scenes down to single lines of dialogue – feels like they have been embraced as opportunities for creation. Cage is usually interesting even when his films are not. He is erratic and unpredictable; he is captivating and he is capricious. He is a performer. He is a troubadour. He is a jazz musician." — this quote seems quite long and takes up, by my count, over 10% of the article's prose
  • most notable films — how is it determined which films are the most notable?

Ping me when these are resolved! Pamzeis (talk) 13:20, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Pamzeis: All  Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 13:45, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Seeing as you seem to be rewriting the lead following TRM's suggestion, I will hold off supporting this list until then. Please ping me once this has been done. Pamzeis (talk) 15:22, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Pamzeis:  Already done I expanded the third paragraph to address their comment weeks ago. They then collapsed their edits so I believe the suggestion has been properly addressed. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 22:47, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, apologies for that. I thought that since you did not put "done" under the suggestion, it was not, well, done. You now have my support. On an unrelated note, I'd appreciate any comments here. Pamzeis (talk) 02:35, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed; promoting. --PresN 14:39, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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