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New Zealand women's national cricket team record by opponent[edit]

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Nominator(s): $ufyan (talk) 07:57, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I think it meets the criteria and I've created it along the lines of this and this, both of which are FLs. $ufyan (talk) 07:57, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The only thing I would suggest (I know you asked for feedback on my talk page and I didn't mention it, but it's only just occurred to me :-P) is that the lead would be better as two larger paragraphs rather than four very small ones......... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:51, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Merged first and second paragraph, and third and fourth paragraph --$ufyan (talk) 13:19, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Additional Comments

The lead section needs more expansion. Lead section needs more explanatory text and context which summarises the whole list as per WP:NOTSTATS. You may also follow the related articles for the men's teams such as this and this. Moreover, the tables do not meet the manual of style for data tables as per MOS:DTAB. So the rows and columns should be in this format below: 

{|
|+ [caption text]
|-
! scope="col" | [column header 1]
! scope="col" | [column header 2]
! scope="col" | [column header 3]
|-
! scope="row" | [row header 1]
| [normal cell 1,2] || [normal cell 1,3]
|-
! scope="row" | [row header 2]
| [normal cell 2,2] || [normal cell 2,3]
...
|}

That's what I got on the first pass. Will inform later if I find more issues. For now, please fix these. Thanks. — A.A Prinon  Leave a dialogue 04:55, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed table --$ufyan (talk) 09:27, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Expanded lead --$ufyan (talk) 11:11, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Minor issues
Done --$ufyan (talk) 08:17, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "A full member of the International Cricket Council (ICC), the team is governed by New Zealand Cricket."- unsourced. Please add a reliable web page or book through which we can know that New Zealand Cricket is exactly the the governing body of the team. Although it is common and known to all, it is better to add a source.
I found this article on the ICC website which has the sentence "New Zealand Cricket CEO David White is confident of hosting plenty of men's and women's international cricket during the upcoming summer". Wish I could have added a clearer source, but it qualifies, I guess? --$ufyan (talk) 08:32, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The URL access date on the references are sometimes in the format year-month-date (2021-06-01), while in some refs the format is in DMY (1 June 2021). But the date formatting should be consistent, and DMY is considered to be the suitable one for date formatting. You have to add {{Use dmy dates}} at the top of the page, so that all the dates in appear in DMY format.
Done --$ufyan (talk) 08:17, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "They recorded their first test victory against South Africa in 1972."- The first letter of the word test should be in capital letter as per WP:CRICSTYLE. Also the same issue is visible in the previous sentence.
    • "They recorded their first test victory against South Africa in 1972."- And the word Test is not also linked.
    • And the sentence is also unsourced. Please add any reliable source that links to a book or an online site, where the history of New Zealand women's cricket can be found, or any statistical source through which we can verify.
Done all three --$ufyan (talk) 08:17, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The New Zealand women's national cricket team first competed in 1935 when they played England in a single test at home." => "The New Zealand women's national cricket team competed in international cricket for the first time in 1935 when they played against England in a one-off Test at home."
Done --$ufyan (talk) 10:24, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"They won the match". "They won in the match". I think the former is more correct, although I'm not a native speaker of English.--$ufyan (talk) 08:21, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@$ufyan: - I am a native speaker and I can confirm that "They won the match" is definitely correct and "They won in the match" is not -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:28, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Not done, then --$ufyan (talk) 08:46, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "As of May 2021, they have played 36 Test matches against four different opponents—Australia, England, India, and South Africa."- Here 36 is in numbers, while four is in words. Please use both in words or in numbers. The same issue is in the second paragraph.
Not done per MOS:NUMERAL. It's not inconsistent because they are not comparable values. I'm trying to avoid making the lead full of numerals, impairing readability.
  • "They have been most successful against England, with 35 wins." => "They have been most successful against England, by winning 35 times against the team."
Done (Added "They have been most successful against England, winning 35 times against the team.")--$ufyan (talk) 10:58, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Done --$ufyan (talk) 08:17, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

— A.A Prinon  Leave a dialogue 06:08, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Great Job! You have fixed all within a short span of time. And two comments which you opposed me were really my mistake. (Sorry for that). Thanks. — A.A Prinon  Leave a dialogue 07:28, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you :) --$ufyan (talk) 11:28, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comments

I only see a few small issues...

  • I would suggest writing the website in source 1 as International Cricket Council or ICC instead of www.icc-cricket.com
  • Don't swap between ESPN Cricinfo and ESPNcricinfo, and don't swap between italicized and non-italicized text for those sources. (It doesn't really matter what you choose; just make it consistent.)

— RunningTiger123 (talk) 17:24, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from TRM[edit]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:27, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
*Lead image caption is a fragment and doesn't need a full stop.
  • England is overlinked in the lead.
    • Removed the second link (also direct the India link to the cricket team, rather than the country). Harrias (he/him) • talk 08:39, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • two matches; 10 have resulted in a loss, while 33 => 2/10/33 or two/ten/thirty-three per MOS.
    • All in numerical form now. Harrias (he/him) • talk 08:39, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "they have been most successful" this is a weird sentence for a team which has only won twice, suggest the opponents are mentioned in the previous sentence after the two wins are noted and this sentence removed.
  • "third highest number of victories" third most victories
    • Changed as suggested. Harrias (he/him) • talk 08:39, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • They have... They have ... They have... repetitive, jarring prose.
    • Varied a little, any more would need a more significant rewrite: let me know. Harrias (he/him) • talk 08:39, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 2 needs page number(s).
    • I don't have access to this book. I have replaced the second use of it with another source, though I have had to truncate the fact for what I can easily reference. The first time it is used, the fact is actually included in the Google Books landing page linked. Harrias (he/him) • talk 08:39, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • As above, consistency needed for all the ESPN reference formats, I see at least three different versions...
    • This should be sorted now. Harrias (he/him) • talk 08:39, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 4 needs an en-dash, not a spaced hyphen.

That's it from me. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:40, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: Cheers, I've given it a go, let me know what you think. Harrias (he/him) • talk 08:39, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'll take a look over it this weekend. Harrias (he/him) • talk 22:18, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed; promoting. --PresN 01:17, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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