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NWA World Welterweight Championship[edit]

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Nominator(s): MPJ-DK (talk) 21:22, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This has been nominated three times prior, twice failed due to lack of input and once i withdrew to work on the sources. I have reworked the sources to make my latest FL (Mexican National Tag Team Championship), I've done a round of copy editing and I've had the Guild of Copy Editors work through it as well. I believe this represents a very fine body of work both prose, table and source wise and hope this will get enough attention this time. I will happily commit to doing a FL review for each person providing feedback PLUS one, which I will initate in the next day or two. MPJ-DK (talk) 21:22, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:23, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
;Comments on the lead
  • "The championship was created originally" => "The championship was originally created"
  • "the Mexican promotion federation the Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre" - firstly "promotion federation" is one word too many. Also, I have never seen it called "the" CMLL
  • "The championship predates the creation of the National Wrestling Alliance in 1948 [....] When EMLL joined the National Wrestling Alliance in 1952, the NWA prefix was added" - the subheaders in the table basically show the exact opposite of this.
  • "CMLL retained ownership of three NWA-branded championships which originated in the promotion.[1] The other two were the....." => "CMLL retained ownership of three NWA-branded championships which originated in the promotion,[1] the other two being the......"
  • Everything from "As with all professional wrestling championships....." until the end of that paragraph should probably be right near the start or right near the end of the lead, rather than kinda jammed in the middle of the title's history.
  • "In 1992, the then-champion Misterioso left CMLL [....] With the name change CMLL also created the CMLL World Welterweight Championship" - didn't the name change happen some years before 1992? If so, it seems odd to only mention it now.
  • " to unify the championships into the "J-Crown" championship" - can't see any reason for J-Crown to be in quotes here when it was used twice before without them
  • "...and then Great Sasuke, who won the tournament" - seem to be some words missing here
  • "demanded that CMLL (a non-member of NWA Mexico)" - shouldn't that just be "of the NWA"? Pretty sure NWA Mexico didn't have member promotions......
  • "CMLL ignored both requests." - a sentence of just four words should certainly be avoided, so attach it to the sentence before
  • "El Santo became the first NWA World Welterweight Champion by winning an eight-man tournament when he defeated Pete Pancoff in the finals." - seems a bit ridiculous to only mention this right at the end.
  • "Akantus is the most recent" => "Akantus was the most recent"
  • "to win the title on April 24, 2016 and making his last-known championship defense on April 24, 2016" - can you reword this so that you aren't stating the exact same date twice in the same sentence. Also, did he really win it and then make a defence the same day?
  • "Akantus is the 63rd overall champion" => "Akantus was the 63rd overall champion"
  • Think that's it on the lead, will look at the rest later...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:43, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comments on the table
  • Echoing my comment above, I am pretty sure the first subheader is wrong
  • In some cases where there are multiple refs in a cell, they are not in correct numeric order
  • Row 5 - the footnote on its own in a great big cell looks odd - maybe put it against the date?
  • "Muñoz suffered a near fatal injury" => "Muñoz suffered a near-fatal injury"
  • "The championship was vacated when Misterioso left CMLL" - this is above the subheader indicating the name change. Either the name at this point was still EMLL or else the subheader is in the wrong place
  • "Otani vacated five of the six remaining J-Crown titles after being forced by the World Wrestling Federation to return their Light Heavyweight Championship belt," - six of the remaing seven, surely?
  • Can't see the point in linking the names of all the Toryumon shows simply to the promotion's article - you already linked it in the subheader and all those Easter egg links seem unnecessary. It's also inconsistent - you don't link "Summer Struggle 1997" to the New Japan article, for example
  • Was the Super Nova whom Ricky Marvin defeated really Mike Bucci? According to his article, he was in WWE at that time.
  • "Championship history is unrecorded from August 24, 2016 to current" => "Championship history is unrecorded from August 24, 2016 to present"
  • I would have "general" and "specific" subheaders within the refs
  • Think that's it from me -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:13, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:00, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
*ChrisTheDude thank you for your great feedback. I believe I have addressed all your comments, please do double check my work. Also since I promised to do a review in return for all reviews, I would like you to pick which article I should do an FLC review for, I don't believe you have a nomination yourself in the list and I want to make it "dealers choice" then. MPJ-DK (talk) 16:50, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
New comments
  • "The championship was created originally" => "The championship was originally created"
  • "the other two were the NWA World Middleweight Championship" => "the other two being the NWA World Middleweight Championship"
  • "CML had craeted" - two typos here
  • "CMLL ignored both requests completly," - typo in the last word
  • You changed the Super Nova link to Súper Nova, but I don't think it was him either. He was only 16 at the time and our article says he didn't work under the Súper Nova name till several years later. I think the wrestler in question was a Japanese worker (I found an unreliable-looking source saying it is rumoured that it was Super Shisa but as that isn't confirmed best to just remove the link altogether)
  • "Championship history is unrecorded from August 24, 2016 to present." - April, surely?
  • Think that's it for the second round of checks. Nearly there now I think :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:34, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • ChrisTheDude All addressed, except for "Currently", there are empty arena shows being held in Mexico so saying "April" is not correct, and as soon as shows resume "April" will be outdated. MPJ-DK (talk) 18:37, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • I think you misunderstand my point. You say in the lead that the last known title match took place in April 2016, but at the bottom of the table you say the title history is unknown from August. I believe that should be April. It has nothing to do with the current situation -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:42, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Harrias talk 07:53, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Harrias
  • "Two men have held the title for just one day: Shinjiro Otani and Último Dragón. Both held the championship for one day as part of the J-Crown tournament." I would remove the last sentence, as this was already detailed in the third paragraph.
  • I know some disagree, but I would like to see the more obscure locations wikilinked in the table.
  • Get rid of the background colour in the Reigns by combined length table, so we can see the sort arrows.
  • Why does Chamaco Valaguez appear twice in the Reigns by combined length table?
  • Complete the non-free use rationale for File:NWA World Welterweight Championship.jpg, replacing the "n/a"s.
    • Follow-up on that point, NFCC #1 is "Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose." I don't see why a photo of this belt could not be taken (created) at some point? I assume it is shown during events?

That's it from me. Harrias talk 12:39, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Harrias I have addressed them all except for wikilinking locations, I am getting conflicting feedback on these. I'd love to link anything "obscure" but struggle with a guideline on when to link and not to link. MPJ-DK (talk) 03:07, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, all my concerns have been resolved, nice work. Harrias talk 07:53, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Source review:

  • The formatting for the Duncan & Will source is all over the place; I was going to try to fix it but I can't be sure I'm doing it right. Ref 11, 12, 13, and 33 are e.g. "Duncan & Will 2000, p. 271.", but all of the other ones are e.g. "Duncan & Will (2000) page 390 "Karloff Lagarde 58/01/31 Mexico City, MEX"", except for ref 1, which is "Duncan & Will (2000) p. 390, Chapter: "Mexico: EMLL NWA Welterweight Heavyweight Title [Lutteroth]"". You actually cite page 390 in 3 different formats as a result. I'd expect them all to be e.g. "Duncan & Will (2000) p. 390" (with a "p." instead of page, and no period at the end), maybe with the quotes you're adding to the back if you really want them, though make sure to have a period after the page number to separate out the quote in that case, e.g. Duncan & Will (2000) p. 390. "blah blah"
  • Several other book sources are fully described in the references instead of short-style, which reads oddly as now everything is mixed. Consider moving all books to a "Sources" section, instead of only the 2 "General" books.
  • This general/non-general split also causes issues in e.g. refs 9 and 10- full duplicated refs to the same book, with slightly different page numbers (actually, overlapping)
  • In ref 3 and 5, you have the author as L.L. Staff- author fields are for named people only, and should be omitted if you only have "staff" as a byline.
  • You're doing some odd things with magazine issues- using cite news for a magazine which then forces you to do "|id=issue 2072" instead of "|issue=2072", and results in odd placement/formatting of the issue number in the final citation.
  • You don't really need to include incorporation marks in company names, e.g. ", Inc." or ", SA de CV"
  • Not required, but consider using the "|trans-title=" parameter to give English translations of non-English titles.
  • Didn't see any issues with the sources themselves. --PresN 22:03, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thank you for your input PresN I will get to work on the feedback today. MPJ-DK (talk) 11:43, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • I believe I addressed all issues. MPJ-DK (talk) 15:13, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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