Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of tallest buildings in Minneapolis

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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted 06:09, 13 April 2008.

List of tallest buildings in Minneapolis[edit]

Self-nomination. Another tallest building list, modeled after FLs such as List of tallest buildings in Tulsa and List of tallest buildings in New Orleans. I have been working with Alaskan assassin to bring this list up to FL standards, and I think it is now there. I believe it to meet all FL criteria, in that it is comprehensive, stable, well-referenced, well-organized, useful, and complete. As always, any concerns brought up here will be addressed. Thanks, Rai-me 22:25, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support Alaskan assassin (talk) 04:08, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support Another fine addition to the growing group of "tallest buildings" featured lists. VerruckteDan (talk) 15:22, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • Images should be sized per WP:MOS#Images, not forced to a user-defined number of pixels.
    • The MOS doesn't state that images should be sized:
    Image size is a matter of preference. Specifying the size of a thumbnail image is not necessary: without specifying a size, the width will be what readers have specified in their user preferences, with a default of 180px (which applies for the overwhelming majority of readers), and a maximum of 300px.
    So I don't really see what need to be changed with the current layout. The only thing the MOS does specify about image sizing is that the lead image should be at least 300px, and the lead image in this list is that size. -- Rai-me 20:05, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • In Note A, numbers below 10 should be written out in text.

Otherwise very good. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:22, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thank you for reviewing the list. Cheers, Rai-me 20:05, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

  • Could a mention of the Minneapolis Skyway System be included? It's the largest in the world and connects most of the buildings. ~ Eóin (talk) 03:13, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done - sentence added at the end of the first paragraph in the lead. Cheers, Rai-me 06:13, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Support: great list, very comprehensive. ~ Eóin (talk) 19:45, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

  • Raime, this is a beautiful article. Would it be possible to add a column naming the architects? -Susanlesch (talk) 04:57, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thank you! Unfortunately, I don't think it is very feasible to add another column; it was tried adding an additional column for street addresses in some building articles originally, but this caused the tables to become extremely "crunched" and very hard to read at lower screen resolutions. Adding an architect column would do the same... Cheers, Rai-me 06:13, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tentative oppose. Sorry to have to say that because I like the article. So much design and engineering know-how goes into these buildings I wouldn't be able to support this as featured work without architect credits. It would be like a list of paintings without their artists. I know you have a series of "List of tallest buildings..." going, and that it is a little bit of work. But adding rows within rows would make this quite easy to accomplish at any screen resolution including mobile. Help:Table shows how to nest information in case that helps. -Susanlesch (talk) 00:53, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Even so, I don't think architects should be added. As I am not the only building list editor, I have begun a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Skyscrapers#Inclusion of building architects in tallest building lists to find out the opinions of other editors. Please feel free to express or expand upon your opinions on the matter there. Here is my opinion on why architects should not be listed (transcluded from the aforementioned discussion at WP:SKY):
    • First and foremost, architects, while very suitable to list in articles pertaining to architecture in a city or just lists of buildings in general, are not relevant to list in lists of tallest buildings. In these lists, height is all that matters; that makes floor counts relevant for obvious reasons, years of completion relevant to show general trends in high-rise construction, and limited notes pertaining only to height relevant. Any additional information not pertaining directly to height, including architects, should not be included and should be saved for individual building articles.
    • In many cases, recently brought to light with the construction of the Freedom Tower, the final plans are changed drastically from the original vision of the architect. In many, if not most, cases, the developer(s) plays a far more significant role in the building process. Does this mean we would also have to list developers in the tables?
    • As noted above, the addition of the inclusion of architects would lead to a plethora of new possibilities for lists - developer, owner, use, cost, etc., all of which are irrelevant to building height and should be saved for infoboxes and prose in individual building articles.
    • For many shorter, less well-known buildings, there is little to no information about the architects of buildings that can be found - this is a problem I have run into while creating building articles for past FLs. However, as all buildings have architects, having this lack of information in some cases would heard the completeness and comprehensiveness of the list, both of which are FL criteria.
    • Many buildings are jointly designed by several architectural firms. Would we need to list all of them? Again, such information is much better suited for articles than tables.
  • However, if there is consensus among several editors to include architects in tallest building lists, then I will find a way to include the information. Cheers, Rai-me 03:30, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Agreed. I posted my thoughts at the WikiProject and am more than happy to change my vote if consensus really is in favor of no architects. -Susanlesch (talk) 03:57, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Striking tentative oppose in favor of support because the WikiProject tells me so. Thanks for seeing the idea through, and again compliments on this list which surely should be featured. -Susanlesch (talk) 00:10, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - great work! Cheers. Trance addict - Tiesto - Above and Beyond 02:41, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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