Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of songs in Guitar Hero Encore: Rocks the 80s
- The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The list was promoted by User:Scorpion0422 20:34, 19 June 2008 [1].
List of songs in Guitar Hero Encore: Rocks the 80s[edit]
previous FLC (18:54, 21 May 2008)
Renominating this list. Previous FLC was not promoted, though all issues presented by reviewers were addressed and no other objections were given. As before, article is in similar format to previous FLs for Guitar Hero I and II. --MASEM 11:54, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments
- "Rocks the 80s was sold only as a game, rather than a bundle version with a guitar controller as both Guitar Hero and Guitar Hero II did." Needs a a ref.
- What does Setlist mean?
- The second paragraph of the lead, and the second paragraph of Setlist seem similar (covering gameplay). Could they be combined?
- Song and Artist columns are centered, and the rest are not; they should be all consistent.
- The Year column is not really clear; maybe you could have it as Release Date, or something like that.
Noble Story (talk) 14:08, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Point by point:
- Ref added
- Wikilinked "set list" in a new sentence after that lead
- They are close, but different; the first para is about the general gameplay (that you mimic guitar playing); the second is about how the functionality of the songs work. Merging them is possible, but given that there's a section break between the concepts... I can try if this is really a problem but I think logically it makes better sense this way.
- There's no special centering formatting. On my browsers, all columns are centered. (and if this is the header, I can't change it's location to make the header titles centered).
- The setup is similar to a discography per comments from other GH lists, and this has the first column as "Year". I have mentioned what the year column is in the preceeding text to help though.
- --MASEM 15:11, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support My concerns have been put to rest, and I think it looks goods. Noble Story (talk) 02:29, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- Wikipedia_talk:Featured_list_candidates#Straight_repetitions_of_the_title_in_the_opening_sentence
- Not sure "did" is the correct word in "Rocks the 80s was sold only as a game, rather than a bundle version with a guitar controller as both Guitar Hero and Guitar Hero II did."
- According to What I Like About You (song) which coincidentally, I was reading earlier today, the Romantics have sued the makers for it's inclusion. Perhaps this should be mentioned.
- Was the title released in Europe? Were any of the songs changed like Rock Band has?
- I still feel strongly that most visitors to this page probably want to see what order they play the songs in and what is unlocked when, and I think the default sort should reflect that
Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 07:17, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed the first two points. There is the lawsuit issue, but this is covered in the article on the game itself. There was a European release, but beyond a name change, nothing else was changed (that can be cited, at least).
- The last point, again, the argument is that we are presenting these lists as a discography, and not as a game guide (which it would be if ordered in the tier information), See the previous discussion at [GH1 songline FLC]. This also allows for the consistency that is needed in that GH2 and GH3 have two different orders of the songs in the game, likely the 4th game (Guitar Hero World Tour) will be like Rock Band (video game) that also can be sorted in 3-4 different ways. If we go by the approach from the standpoint of just listing songs, and not so much to replicate the gameplay experience, it is much easier to create these more complicated lists. --MASEM 13:38, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Following your explanation above re the sort order you're probably right, so I can deal with the default sort order of the table. Unfortunately I'm still not ready to support at the moment. The Lead section of WP:Lead section says the Lead should "introduce the article" and should also "stand alone as a concise overview of the article. It should establish context, summarize the most important points, explain why the subject is interesting or notable, and briefly describe its notable controversies, if there are any." I'd like to see a secondary reference for the European game title (from a video game magazine or something for example, rather than a sales website). The article is about the songs in the game, yet out of the two paragraphs, only one sentence discusses the songs: "As implied by the game's title, all the songs were either created during the 1980s, or, in one case, parodies works of the 1980s." The gameplay paragraph doesn't really introduce or stand alone as an overview of the article, because the songs really have nothing to do with gameplay. There should instead be only one or two sentences which include the link to Guitar Hero (series)#Gameplay , and that's it. It should mention the fact that some songs are master recordings, some are cover versions (perhaps mention who performed them if you can find it anywhere, maybe in the game's end-credits). It should mention that the songs are released to play in groups and each group is unlocked by completing the previous. Are the tier's grouped by difficulty, or by genre? Basically a lot of the==Set list==prose should instead be in the Lede. Re controversies, I still think the Romantics' lawsuit regarding "What I Like About You (song)" should be mentioned here as it relates directly to the songs. Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 04:12, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I've gone ahead and reordered the lead (along with other points), taking out excess information about the gameplay but leaving the general overview, and how the songs are presented (addressing the tier and difficulty issues), I also included the Romantics lawsuit, with the seealso to the main article for more. --MASEM 14:01, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Master recording tab doesn't seem to work in the table. The problem is also present in other Guitar Hero lists. --Mika1h (talk) 20:49, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support Looking good! Drewcifer (talk) 23:48, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Everything looks good except for the Master recording tab. What's up with that? Drewcifer (talk) 23:47, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "Guitar Hero Encore: Rocks the 80s (Guitar Hero: Rocks the 80s in Europe) is a music video game developed by Harmonix and published by RedOctane and Activision in 2007 for the PlayStation 2 console that allows players to use a guitar-shaped controller to play along with several rock songs." Very long intro sentence.
- "The is considered" the game? the what?
- "parodies works of the 1980s as listed below." kind of awkward. As what is listed below? Doesn't the rest of the sentence make this phrase a little redundant? Drewcifer (talk) 22:29, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I think I know - there's no "text" in that to sort on. Some hidden stuff will fix it - will do RSN. --MASEM 23:56, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- "The game [...] The game" → "The game [...] It"?
- "the Guitar Hero series, part of" → "the Guitar Hero series, and is part of"
- "Rocks the 80s was sold only as a game," → "Rocks the 80s was sold without a peripheral,"?
Gary King (talk) 04:29, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed, though I'm trying to figure out ways to make "80s was sold without a guitar" more clear, if that's possible. --MASEM 14:01, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Last one
- Ref [1] has the publisher= field, filled out, but it's not rendering in the actual reference. Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 06:50, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I just have one objection right now:
- Please explain how the game itself works in terms of difficulty and tiers. Take a look at List of songs in Guitar Hero. The Main setlist section has a little paragraph that explains the tiers and difficulties. Other than that, I really like this list.--Dem393 (talk) 14:37, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- One of the earlier comments suggested that the gameplay needed to be cut back, linking to the common gameplay elements section in the main Guitar Hero (series) page. This is sorta conflicting advice. (I think in GH1 it was fine as there was more to the whole list, as you had extra content. Here, you just have a list and that's it. )--MASEM 15:05, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Ok, now I looked this list over again, and I have another comment right now. In the "Controversy" section, please provide the date in which the lawsuit was filed. This way, readers could see this in perspective and think "Gee...this wasn't too long ago! That's why the case hasn't been resolved yet!"--Dem393 (talk) 18:58, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments from The Rambling Man (talk · contribs)
- Ref [1] should be moved to other side of parenthesis.
- "...which were also sold in a bundle .." why is "also" here if this version wasn't sold in a bundle?
- "...in one case, parodies works of the 1980s..." in one case then it just parodied one work of the 1980s?
- "cooperative " or "co-operative "?
- The "see also" is awkwardly placed - wouldn't a subsection be better?
- "(Bang Your Head).." sorts first - presumably it shouldn't, but it's doing it because of the parenthesis.
- Can you fiddle with the col widths so the Encore tiers fit on a single row and the sort button is on the same row for the Year heading (which, incidentally, doesn't look centrally aligned but it may just be me)?
- Not sure if song links should point at albums.
- Note 3 is missing a full stop.
That's all I have. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:55, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The Limozeen song does not parody any one specific work of the 80s, it's a style parody as opposed to a song parody. The column widths are consistent with previous tables and with discographies - what this means is that the year column is that short, and unfortunately, the control of the sort gadget is uncontrollable so the titles do end up off-center; the tier column is lined up in a way so that when the column is large enough, the tier numbers and names line up easily, the encores being just the line below it (BRs are used here). Songs should not point to albums so that has been fixed, as well as the other points. --MASEM 12:30, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- You can use the {{sort}} template innovatively to solve these sort of problems. And as for being consistent with other tables, perhaps they're all wrong. There's no requirement for the tables to be identical across lists. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:03, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The Limozeen song does not parody any one specific work of the 80s, it's a style parody as opposed to a song parody. The column widths are consistent with previous tables and with discographies - what this means is that the year column is that short, and unfortunately, the control of the sort gadget is uncontrollable so the titles do end up off-center; the tier column is lined up in a way so that when the column is large enough, the tier numbers and names line up easily, the encores being just the line below it (BRs are used here). Songs should not point to albums so that has been fixed, as well as the other points. --MASEM 12:30, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Looks great! Seems that the comments that were here first have really helped to bring this list to where it should be a featured list. It meets all the criteria, the way I see it. Red Phoenix flame of life...protector of all... 01:08, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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