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The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 20:37, 21 April 2009 [1].

List of songs in Guitar Hero: Metallica[edit]

Nominator(s): MASEM (t)

Nomination of another Guitar Hero song list. Now, I realize that the criteria have recently changed and that there's a subjective possibility that this list may not pass (one could argue it could fit into Guitar Hero: Metallica without issues; there is a similar suggestion for a merge of List of songs in Guitar Hero into Guitar Hero (video game)), but I don't believe this would help as the resulting article would be dominated by this list; per Summary Style, the info on this list is more specific than what is generalized in the article. This might be considered a good test case for any future lists. --MASEM (t) 22:23, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Why not try creating an article that has all of the song lists? That might have more uses, then you would be able to sort by artists, etc. -- Scorpion0422 22:47, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This could be long, plus it would make difficult to include the tiering aspects of the game; I can see it as a completely separate list ("List of songs that have appeared in the Guitar Hero franchise") but not as a replacement to the current lists. A quick count in my head across GH1, 2, 80s, 3, Aerosmith, WT, and M gives about 360 songs on disk alone; add in 75 more for the DS versions(*), and another ~100 songs and growing for DLC. And there's no end to sight for the franchise. To compare, a completely separate list that is not featured but has 500+ songs is List of downloadable songs for the Rock Band series and this is starting to get unwieldy, and that shows no signs of stopping either. If this franchise was long and since completed I would agree with this approach, but the potential growth of this is puts too many questions out there.
(*) I have been toying with merging the DS games to one article as they're all treated equivalently by sources, and resulting in their individual tracklists to be merged into a seperate but single list for all of them, which seems like a reasonable break. That I've not done yet, but seems perfectly fine in this case. --MASEM (t) 23:50, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Truco
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  • The full set list for the game for all platforms contains 49 songs, 28 from the band over their entire musical career, and 21 others from bands that are "their personal favorites and influences from over the years". -- be consistent with the use of setlist (without the space)
  • Playing as a single player or in competition or cooperation with others, players attempt to match notes on instrument controllers as indicated by scrolling notes on-screen in order to score points and prevent the song from ending in failure. -- the two or's is really confusing the first part of the sentence
  • Songs can be played in a Career mode in both single player and band modes to work through the songlist below, or players may jump into any song using the game's Quickplay feature. -- songlist should be song list
  • The following list is the complete set list of songs featured in the game. --> setlist
  • Tiers are arranged in approximately difficulty, which varies between the single player instrument careers and the band career modes, with later tiers representing more difficult songs.
List
  • I would find a key useful to explain the column headers, such as the "year" being the year the song was released. In addition to explaining the "360/PS3 Career (Band)".
  • The notes are not complete statements, remove the full stops
  • I don't like the system used for the footnotes, can a symbol or a different system be used? Like {{ref label}} and {{note label}}?
  • While no new downloadable content has yet been announced for the game, PlayStation 3 or Xbox 360 players who have previously downloaded the tracks from Death Magnetic for Guitar Hero World Tour or Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock will have these tracks incorporated into Guitar Hero: Metallica, with the exclusion of "All Nightmare Long" which already appears on the main setlist. -- I'm confused, how do they download this? How do they obtain these previous tracks?
  • The Death Magnetic tracks become available after completing the eighth tier and are played in The Stone Nightclub venue. -- There is a lot of "video game jargon" here, like what is The Stone Nightclub venue?
References
  • Refs 2 and 5 should be made into general references.--Truco 15:26, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I believe I have addressed all the points above but a double check of the wording language that was confusing would be appreciated. --MASEM (t) 15:53, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The consecutive uses of or I don't really think is grammatically correct, unless you properly use commas or reword it.--Truco 16:54, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've sorta inverted this sentence, using "and"s instead of "or"s and should be easier to read. --MASEM (t) 17:36, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I reworded it a bit. Format the general refs like it is in this FL ref section.--Truco 18:08, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Just noting that I have done that as so. --MASEM (t) 19:59, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- Previous issues resolved; article now meets WP:FL?. Interesting and great work.--Truco 16:49, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. The linking issue isn't that big a deal, and I'd rather see consistency anyway. Dabomb87 (talk) 12:16, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)
  • "28 from the band over their entire musical career" A bit redundant, "over their entire musical career" is unnecessary. How about "28 from the band itself", which will flow nicely into the next phrase.
  • "include three additional tracks"
  • "similar to Guitar Hero World Tour allowing for "-->similar to Guitar Hero World Tour that allows for
  • "or players may jump into any song using" "jump into" is too loose.
  • "[reads] like the quintessential 'Best Of' track list for the band" You can eliminate the brackets by moving the brackets further in: reads "like the quintessential 'Best Of' track list for the band"
  • I'm assuming the songs that aren't linked are not notable enough to have their own articles. If this is not the case for some of them, please redlink as necessary.
  • "While no new downloadable content has yet been announced for the game"-->Although no new downloadable content has been announced for the game
  • "who have previously purchased playable" Consider the opposite, could the players have purchased these games in the future?
  • "with the exclusion of "All Nightmare Long"" Comma after here.
  • "The game does support"-->The game supports
  • Regarding the notes: I did not realize that the notes were referring to specific songs. Could you add demonstrative pronouns to make it clearer? For example, "These songs are included..." Dabomb87 (talk) 02:51, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed all of the above except on the linking of song names - do you want all song names linked even if that creates redlinks, or leave as is based on the fact we're only linking to songs, not albums, on this table? Also, note Truco's comment above about formatting the section of the reflist - your edit conflicts with his advice. --MASEM (t) 04:45, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Unless the songs aren't notable enough to warrant their own article, redlink them. The reflist issue has been resolved after discussion with Truco. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:03, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, right now, the songs not linked don't have articles; are they notable to have articles if someone were to make then? That's hard to judge, I would say that all these songs are likely notable if someone did the legwork. There's also cases of songs that have redirects to albums (such as "Beautiful Mourning", and as the game (and in general for the GH series) doesn't attempt to identify the album these songs are from, we're careful not to make that assumption on these lists; thus linking the redirect seems off. If you feel different, I can do that linking, but I'm being consistent with the other GH lists. --MASEM (t) 23:04, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:42, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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