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The list was promoted by Giants2008 via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 2 August 2021 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of plant genera named for people (K–P)[edit]

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Nominator(s): - Dank (push to talk) 22:54, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't want to overthink this, or worse, overtalk it, but I've got some pretty extensive thoughts about the edits I've made and not made since my last nomination, and I'm open to talking about anything. These are my edits (before today) in response to the most recent review: adding "army in India", removing page numbers in the References section, and adding links to many professions. (It wasn't possible to do that in the table itself without running into SEAOFBLUE issues, but I was able to mention and link many professions in the introduction and in a footnote.) Today I've been delinking the red links for people who don't have articles in any of the other Wikipedias; thoughts are welcome on that too. As Bullwinkle J. Moose likes to say: This time for sure! - Dank (push to talk) 22:54, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There was a request to link countries, but recently promoted FLs, such as List of sculptures of Ludwig van Beethoven, don't seem to do this. I made a series of edits to better focus attention on what roles these people played and less attention on where they were (for consistency, and because some of these questions can't be answered definitely, and to avoid inviting discussions about red links). Concerning the complaint that it looks a little odd to have some bio information in some rows and none in others: 1. It's not true that some people have "no bio information"; the column heading clarifies that the people are naturalists unless otherwise identified. I'm open to a little bit of fiddling with the language or the details if that will help. 2. After a lot of discussion and some wrangling over this issue at the nomination for the D–J list, everyone eventually signed off on the current format. There are good reasons to respect the process and the outcome of those discussions. 3. These lists are about as long as they can get before they start crashing (images stop loading, for instance) for some readers. I'm not open to adding so much text that we have to break up the lists (which would invalidate previous supports) ... at least, not until some future date (if ever) when important new sources appear that might justify a major expansion. 4. Other lists, perhaps including a future FLC nomination, will have links to some of the rows in this list, and for those lists to work, this list has to have more information in some rows than in others. - Dank (push to talk) 21:08, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Comments
  • "wrote a study on pollen from African at the University of Leeds" - is there a word missing in there?
  • "French doctor and botanist on the medical faculty in Strasbourg" => "French doctor and botanist at the medical faculty in Strasbourg"
  • That's all I got - great work as ever! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:58, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Fixed both, I hope. Thanks! We're almost done with these etymological lists ... the rest will be a walk in the park by comparison. - Dank (push to talk) 11:49, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:18, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review – Pass[edit]

No issues. Aza24 (talk) 19:59, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Formatting
  • Consistent all around
Reliability
  • No concerns
Verifiability
  • Have checked in the past
  • Pass for source review. Aza24 (talk) 19:59, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support Comments by Sturmvogel_66[edit]

  • Expanding on my comments from the previous nomination that was withdrawn before I had a real chance to respond/explain.
  • I'd still like to see links to uncommon occupations like mycologist, etc. IMO, consistency in this case does not mean that you have to link all occupations, etc. And I'd strongly recommend more links to countries. Only very rarely do I find anyone objecting to them at MilHist ACR or FAC in my noms whatever the official line is about them.
    • Country of origin isn't always important in these lists, and I often have cities, historical regions, organizations or affiliations I can link instead of countries. Hopefully I got them all with these edits. I don't think there are any unlinked countries left that people are likely to want links for, but if you find any, that's fine, I'll be happy to keep working on it. Let me know. - Dank (push to talk) 19:40, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'm adding links throughout the table (since the columns are sortable) for: mycologists, zoologists, apothecaries, geologists, geographers and meteorologists. If you like, I can add links for professions that are already linked in the lead as well. - Dank (push to talk) 18:02, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Links in the lede suffice for all further mentions, IMO.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 18:42, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • I agree. I went with that instead of links throughout for the various naturalists (but I'm adding links in the table for odd words like "polymath"). - Dank (push to talk) 19:08, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • Done with that. - Dank (push to talk) 19:56, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think that your argument about the disparity in info between red-linked and blue-linked people is reasonable given the info generally available and questions of notability. In short, I'm OK with this.
  • Regarding the names for the red-link people, this was more a point for discussion rather than a requirement and not one I feel particularly strongly about.
  • I'll try to find time to look this over more thoroughly in a little bit, but these should hopefully be a starting point.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 16:03, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

CommentsSupport from Tim riley[edit]

Dank was rash enough to invite me me to comment, and my detailed comments (if any) will follow, but at first read-through I have struggled to find anything to moan about in this impressive list. Date ranges could be more consistent: some have spaces on either side of the en-dashes and some don't. Elizabeth "Betty" Gaye seems to have a mere hyphen for her date range, and her dates per se look very odd. More generally, WP:DATED came into my head when looking at the dates for the living scientists in the list, but suppose it is in the nature of a list like this that we simply have to hope you or some other expert editor will keep it updated as and when the obituaries require it.

One point from my first quick read-through: Navarretia – I can't speak for Portugal, but the Royal Academy we have in England is firmly capitalised, even by our most assiduously anti-capitalist newspaper The Guardian (or, as it calls itself, the Guardian).

More over the weekend after a leisurely and careful perusal. Tim riley talk 18:14, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Concluding comments
  • After a concentrated search for anything else to complain about, I have found WP links to Brussels, Vienna, Madrid, Lima and Berlin, which as capital cities didn't oughter be linked, if I correctly read the MoS. I thought of making the same point about Rio di Janeiro, though I suppose that's borderline, and St Petersburg likewise. I do not press the point in any case.
  • I can't make out your thinking in red-linking some people but leaving others unlinked: why, for instance, do you link Harry Edward Luther but not Louis Charles Lutz immediately below? (I merely mention this, and do not for one moment present the point as a reason to oppose promotion to FL. As long as you are satisfied there is a reason to red-link or not, I am content to leave the matter in your hands.)
  • Madhavan Parameswarau Nayar's dates seem to be 1905–1978
  • Collège Royal in Orléans – if you take French capitalisation seriously you will assuredly go mad, but I reckon "Royal" shouldn't be capitalised.
  • Peddiea – I don't doubt that Peddie was English, but any soldier from these isles who died in 1840 was in the British, not the English, army.

That is all I can come up with by way of objections, and I can add my support for the promotion of this impressive, informative and unexpectedly readable, not to say entertaining, article, which seems to me to meet all the FL criteria. – Tim riley talk 16:51, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks kindly, Tim, I'll be right back with fixes. All: I'm going to nominate List of plant genera named for people (Q–Z) later today unless anyone objects ... I think I dealt with Sturm's last point above, and if not, if he asks me to do more, I'll do more. - Dank (push to talk) 18:17, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • All actioned in this edit. - Dank (push to talk) 18:47, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Red-linking: I don't have a clue, about a variety of linking issues (though Sturmvogel signs off on this above, which is good enough for me). It feels like an impossible OR problem to me, in the sense that I don't think anyone wants to assign me the job of pronouncing which historical figures are the notable ones. I needed some kind of touchstone, and the one I settled on was: if any Wikipedia (in any language) has a page devoted to the person (Wikidata does a good job of keeping track of this), then I take that as a starting point for an assertion of notability and sufficient cause to red-link ... and if it's later decided the assertion was in error, then we can delink it here. FWIW ... very little, probably ... if I were to take this on myself, my judgments would be very close to the red-linking scheme arrived at here. - Dank (push to talk) 18:47, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm happy (if anyone cares what I think) with Dank's pragmatic approach to red-linking, and hope to be pinged when the next instalment of this remarkable series is up for FL. Tim riley talk
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