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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:Matthewedwards 08:16, 25 May 2008 [1].

List of Vancouver Canucks players[edit]

I've been working on this article for a while now, and feel that it is up to the FL standards set by its counterparts at List of Tampa Bay Lightning players, List of Atlanta Thrashers players, List of San Jose Sharks players, etc. Comments? – Nurmsook! (talk) 00:15, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Was hoping that I would be the one to nominate the article, but it seems you beat me to it. Anyways, in the players table, the years played section is split into two, probably from the image sizing. That should be fixed up. As well, more references would probably be a good idea, notably the list kept at Canucks.com. Other than that, a good list with lots of images, including a few I added. Kaiser matias (talk) 00:39, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Response: I added a few references, so that should beef it up a bit. For the split in the years played section, it's not happening on my screen, so it perhaps is an issue that has to do with computer screen size? As for your desire to list this one, take all the credit you like. A while back I put it into the current format, and since then have done a few more formatting related things, but I know this article was heavily influenced by you! – Nurmsook! (talk) 01:12, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I fixed the problem I had with it. There was just to much being listed in the "Notes" column. I replaced the trophy names with a shorter title, but it has no real difference. Also led me to find another thing that should be fixed. Marek Malik shared the Plus/Minus Award with Martin St. Louis in 2004, there should be a note explaining that. Kaiser matias (talk) 02:29, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. – Nurmsook! (talk) 02:52, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from The Rambling Man (talk · contribs)
  •  Done Avoid bold links in the lead per WP:LEAD#Bold title.
  • You may be interested in the current discussion on opening sentences in the lead repeating the article title verbatim for lists, it's at WT:FLC.
  •  Doing... Lead is weak. Three really short paragraphs. I'd take the opportunity to discuss leading scorers, leading appearances, etc etc, particularly as these lists are never sortable so it's virtually impossible to find these details easily.
  •  Done Defenceman or Defenseman?
  •  Doing... "Note: This list does not include data from the Vancouver Canucks of the PCHL or WHL." - explain why not, or else you'll need to change the title of the list to include something like "... who played in the NHL"...And while I'm there, what are the PCHL and the WHL? Expand before abbreviation.
  • "2000–01 season would be listed as playing with the team from 2000–2001" - why not "...with the team from 2000–01"? Why two year formats?
    • Comment: This one I'm a bit confused on. This is the standard across the other FL articles of this sort (Atlanta Thrashers, Buffalo Sabres, Calgary Flames, and many others). Basically what the "Seasons" column is saying, if put into sentence form, would be, for example, "the player started his career with the Canucks in 2000 and finished it in 2001", so it wouldn't make much sense to say "finished his career in 01". NHL seasons are listed as, for example, 2000–01 NHL season. So this note is just describing that if a player plays a game in the 2000–01 NHL season, his career service as a Canucks will be listed from 2000 to 2001. For most of these players it would be nearly impossible to pinpoint the exact date they played their game, so we're just trying to make due with the information we are given in an effort to best convey it to the reader.
  • WP:COLOR says not to use color only to represent something.
    • Comment: For the blue highlighting which represents either a retired jersey number or induction into the Hockey Hall of Fame, the abbreviation of "Ret" or "HHOF" is placed in the notes section of that particular player, so that colour is being used in addition to the "Ret" and "HHOF" abbreviations. As for the green to represent a player who played in the 2007–08 season, I will add a note to show that players whos "Seasons" column end in 2008 are included in this group.
  •  Done GP - Games Played (why not played? Especially since you have GAA - Goals against average. And RW - Right Wing, Right wing?)
  •  Done "...in only two season." - 's' missing.
  •  Done " Todd Bertuzzi became known as one of the NHL's premier power forwards," POV - citation needed.
  • Curt Fraser has dual nationality, you selected US. Why?
    • Comment: This article is using the HHOF standard of listing the players by their birth country, regardless of citizenship. Many of these players have dual, but it is often hard to find the nation that the players themselves call "home". I will add a note for this as is used in List of NHL statistical leaders by country.
  •  Done Hodgson has no position.
  • Did the Czech Republic exist in 1981? Some of your players were Czechoslovakian I think.
    • Comment: As is the case with the nationality idea, the HHOF lists by current political entity. I will add a not for this as well. The exact note they used at the HHOF is "Note: players are categorized by birthplace based on current geographical regions, not citizenship". I will add something similar to this.
  • Same for at least one of the Russian players, Larionov would have been Soviet Union in 1989.
    • See above
  •  Done References can be split into Specific and General and use the semi-colon to avoid them being headings if required.

So, oppose for now, too much to do for me to support. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:43, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments, I will have it cleaned up later today to hopefully gain your approval. – Nurmsook! (talk) 17:54, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Forgot to add my support earlier. All issues resolved, very nice looking article, and plenty of images. Kaiser matias (talk) 04:49, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments Why is there an empty "notes" column for the goaltenders? If there are no notes to put, then get rid of that column. Also as TRM said above, color should not be the only indicator. I don't quite agree with your reply. It's a lot easier to spot "*" or "#" next to the name while scrolling, then "2008" in the "seasons" column or "HHOF" or "ret" in the "notes" column. --Crzycheetah 02:06, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Did it myself Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 07:36, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Done Write out PCHL and WHL on their first use. If they are used again, place the abbreviations in brackets, if they're not, don't
  • Are other Featured list of players' names in surname, firstname order?
    • Comment: Yes, the NHL related ones are and can be seen here.
  • Per WP:COLOUR, don't use only colour to identify. Use a text-based marker alongside, such as asterisk, daggers, carets, or bold text highlighting
Did it myself Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 07:36, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Done Per above, remove the empty notes column from the goaltenders
  •  Done The key box for goaltenders has some vertical lines which don't reach the bottom horizontal one.

Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 21:21, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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