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The list was promoted by Scorpion0422 22:46, 25 April 2009 [1].

List of ROH World Champions[edit]

Nominator(s): --WillC 09:27, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because... I'm working my way through all the main promotion championship history articles that have yet to be expanded to FL. I am also going to expand each championship article to GA or higher. Currently I've gotten List of TNA X Division Champions to FL, and it looks like it at the moment that List of TNA World Tag Team Champions will pass its FLC. I'm working on the TNA X Division Championship in a subpage at the moment, so I am true to my word. Seeing as the ROH World Championship history is long enough for FLC, I added it to my list of projects along with ROH's World Tag Team Championship. Any comments will be addressed as quick as possible. This article does not look like it is sourced greatly but the three general refs really source everything in the article by themselves. Number of defenses, champions, results, etc. Yes the ROH Championship's first name was ROH Title, it was not referred to as ROH Championship to my knowledge. It is sourced by ROH's official site where they have the history cut among names. It begins with ROH Title and after Joe's reign it begins as ROH World Championship. None of the live events were pay-per-views besides just one and it is linked with-in the article.WillC 09:27, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also, because it has been bugging me, for the ones wondering why I haven't reviewed another FLC and I keep nominating lists for FLC, it is because I am unsure of myself at this time. I want to make sure I know what a FL is and get enough knowledge before I review. After this list I will probably start reviewing if this passes.--WillC 09:31, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Truco
Lead
  • The championship was created and debuted on July 17, 2002 at ROH's Crowning a Champion event. -- well since this wasn't at a pay-per-view, you need to replace event with live event
  • Well it technically wasn't a house show since it was released on DVD, but I guess that link would work.
  • The championship was named the ROH Title up until the championship was renamed in May 2003 to the ROH World Championship after then-champion, Samoa Joe, defeated The Zebra Kid in London, England on May 17, 2003 at a event called Frontiers of Honor, that was a joint partnership event with the professional wrestling promotion Frontier Wrestling Alliance. -- This sentence is very repetitive, how about The championship was called the ROH Title up until the championship was renamed in May 2003 to the ROH World Championship after then-champion Samoa Joe defeated The Zebra Kid in London, England. The renaming was a result of the title being defended outside the United States for the first time. (too much wording about the other promotion which is not needed).
  • On August 12, 2006, the ROH World Championship was unified with the ROH Pure Championship after then-champion Bryan Danielson defeated ROH Pure Champion Nigel McGuinness in Liverpool, England. -- like stated in the pre-review, state that by unify the title the Pure Title was disbanded. To be honest, I don't see how this has affected this particular championship: the WWE Intercontinental Championship has been unified with 3 other titles, and only 1 is particularly notable that is mentioned (when it was unified with the World Title).
  • Well this match was held under Pure match rules, the Pure Championship has been the only secondary title ever in ROH, etc. Fixed.--WillC 21:36, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The inaugural champion was Low Ki, whom ROH recognized to have become the champion after defeating Christopher Daniels, Spanky, and Doug Williams in a Four Way 60-minute Iron Man match on July 27, 2002. -- be consistent, so where was this match? (live event?)
  • The current champion is Jerry Lynn, who is in his first reign as champion. -- no need to state that he is in his first reign since you established earlier that there have been no multiple reigns
Footnotes
  • Remove the period from note C--Truco 21:26, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fixed.--WillC 21:36, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • BY my comment on pipelinking to live event I didn't mean to do it for the actual names of the events, i mean it like at the Taboo Tuesday live event. [just in the lead, not in the table]--Truco 23:32, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Okay, did it just to be safe. I'll go fix that, by the time you read this message, I will be done.--WillC 23:34, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- Previous issues resolved to meet WP:WIAFL, and I'm sure any further issues will be resolved ;)--Truco 23:47, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for the comments and the support.--WillC 23:53, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments -

  • "The title was called the ROH Championship up until the title...". Change second "the title" to "it" to avoid redundant wording.
  • "after then-champion Samoa Joe, defeated ROH Pure Champion Nigel McGuinness in Liverpool, England." Remove comma after Samoa Joe.
  • In footnote D, change the comma to a semi-colon. Giants2008 (17-14) 15:14, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • All are finished.--WillC 17:03, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Footnote D could use a period, but otherwise this looks ready to be featured. Giants2008 (17-14) 15:07, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 12:18, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)
  • "The championship was created and debuted on July 17, 2002 at ROH's Crowning a Champion event." Add comma after "Crowning".
    • Sorry but I don't see the point. The event was called Crowning a Champion, not Crowning....A Champion.--WillC 23:26, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The title was called the ROH Championship up until it was renamed in May 2003 to the ROH World Championship after then-champion Samoa Joe defeated The Zebra Kid in London, England. The renaming was a result of the title being defended outside the United States for the first time." The second sentence is ungrammatical, and the ideas generally don't flow well. Maybe: "Originally called the ROH Championship, the title was renamed to the ROH World Championship in May 2003 after the title was defended outside the United States for the first time—earlier that month, then-champion Samoa Joe had defeated The Zebra Kid in London, England."
  • "Nigel McGuinness both have the most defenses, with 38" Also, please clarify what a "defense" is, through a link or short explanation.
  • Can you center the first five columns, as well as the "Successful defenses" column? Columns with figures look better centered. Apply this to your other lists as well.
    • Working on it.--WillC 23:26, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Finished.--WillC 00:08, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Image caption: "Jerry Lynn, who is the current ROH World Champion"
  • In the key, you say the dagger and color indicates the current champion, but there is only one champion. Maybe "Indicates the current champion(s)". Dabomb87 (talk) 22:34, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Fixed.--WillC 23:26, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • All above are finished.--WillC 00:08, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 12:18, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For the first one, it was found reliable at the Over the Edge (1999) (FAC), because its from Discovery. The second one: when I use this source its for titles from the past which the info is published in a book. If ROH publishes a list for the reigns, this is unnecessary.--Truco 22:54, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see any mention of the first source at the linked FAC... Dabomb87 (talk) 23:02, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm. I could of sworn, someone mentioned it there. Either way, its used in that FAC and Ealdgyth didn't say anything about it (considering it was one of the first refs). In addition, the site is run by Discovery, and their information is published the same way that Discovery does for all their other sites.--Truco 23:20, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ed Grabianowski is the writer. So, what makes him a reputable author in this area? Dabomb87 (talk) 23:29, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
His biography by Discovery. He also write for various other publications.--Truco 01:03, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The first link does nothing to convince me. The second is better, but it doesn't demonstrate how he is an expert in wrestling. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:05, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
How about I remove the link? I've had List of TNA X Division Champions and List of TNA World Tag Team Champions pass their FLCs without the need for a link to explain pro wrestling, I don't think it will cause a problem.--WillC 01:12, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't object to that. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:19, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, removed.--WillC 01:32, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It shouldn't be removed because its OR if you don't source it. In addition, these sources could probably cover how he wrote the article. This could easily be replaced if it were a WWE article since they tend to be honest about it on their site, but I don't know how TNA works.--Truco 01:38, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't believe it is OR. Most understand the titles aren't won legit. As for the WWE and TNA thing, hahaha. WWE being honest, I needed that. Hey, have you heard of a guy named Chris Benoit, I've never heard of him.--WillC 01:44, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's not funny, its very disrespectful [stay on task]. I meant honest about how pro wrestling works in their company.--Truco 02:25, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Disrespectful to the WWE yes. I miss Benoit and WWE should have never tried to bury his legacy. Yeah with the corporate site, they must or they'll have a lawsuit on their hands for false advertisement.--WillC 02:30, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Whatever, I'm done.--Truco 02:32, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Okay.--WillC 02:45, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Just for you to know, the reason I'm not talking about the sources is I don't know. I just use sources I see used it other FLs, FAs, or GAs. I figure if they are good enough there, then they are good enough to use in this. That is why I asked Truco to take care of these problems, I use most of the sources he uses in other lists. He knows more about reliablity of sources than me.--WillC 00:08, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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