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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Hahc21 17:55, 18 February 2014 [1].

List of New York Islanders players[edit]

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Nominator(s): Gloss • talk 20:07, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Although promoted years ago, List of Calgary Flames players and List of New Jersey Devils players seem to still serve as good models for these kinds of articles. I used them both to help me with this one, and after checking and double checking all of the numbers, this list should be good to go. I'm very open to further improvements as you all see fit! Gloss • talk 20:07, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Hwy43
*Comments from Hwy43:
  • A TOC of article sections within the lead would be helpful for navigation.
  • There are inconsistent date formats applied within the references and a third unique date format in the lead. May be more elsewhere. They should be made consistent. I believe the American standard date format is MDY.
  • The title of the second ref should not be ALL CAPS, regardless if the title at the linked webpage uses it.
  • I'd like to see the general references converted to inline citations, duplicated where necessary.
These are my initial observations for now. Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 23:09, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for the comments, @Hwy43:. I've taken care of the first three. However the general references cover all of the statistics for the goaltenders and skaters tables. If I were to duplicate them throughout the article, they would appear over 500 times. Gloss • talk 02:50, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • No need for 500 duplicates. What about the column headers for each table? Hwy43 (talk) 04:46, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Additional comments from Hwy43:
  • At the top of the page, add the template {{Use mdy dates|date=January 2014}}.
  • The first image's caption ends with a period despite being an incomplete sentence. Those captions that are incomplete sentences should not end with a period per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Captions#Formatting and punctuation.
  • The season dashes are inconsist. The lead and tables appear to use mdashes, while the notes below the key tables appear to use ndashes and finally there are hyphens used in the image captions. There may be other inconsistencies.
  • Make the second and third notes under the "Key" section the same inline format as the first note then move all three notes to a new "Notes" section somewhere below the final table as the second note applies to both tables that follow the "Key" section.
  • Please add scope cols and rows to the formatting of the two tables to conform with MOS:ACCESS.
  • Although the Flames and Devils FLs don't at this time, I'd like to see both the "Goaltenders" and "Skaters" sections having one or two paragraphs worth of section leads each. I'd suggest these leads indicate the amount of players in each list and the team leaders among the various statistical categories. I recognize some of the image captions do this, but it would be helpful to have all this information together (mentioning the same in the image captions can remain).
We are getting close. Hwy43 (talk) 04:46, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Hwy43: I've taken care of all but the last two. As for the scope cols and rows, I'm embarrassingly clueless on how to do that. I'll look into it, but any help would be appreciated as I try to figure it out. As for adding prose to the two sections, I'll have to put some thought into it. This would be the first time a "players" list had prose before the tables, so I'll do my best. Gloss • talk 05:48, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) See this table in edit mode for how the col/row thing is done at another FL. Hwy43 (talk) 06:02, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I've taken a crack at the scope cols and rows. Hoping that I did it correctly! If I did, that's also taken care of. Gloss • talk 06:00, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Hwy43: I've also added leads to the tables. Let me know if this is what you were thinking or if you have more information in mind that you think could be added. Gloss • talk 07:04, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
You are part way there on the cols and rows. My understanding of WP:DTAB within MOS:ACCESS is that each row below the column headers within the two tables needs the scope="row" at the beginning. Regarding the section leads, they look good. The only thing I'd add is the skater with most PIMs. Hwy43 (talk) 07:33, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Hwy43: Both are completed. Gloss • talk 08:02, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Very good work. Hwy43 (talk) 08:11, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support a very good list. The new standard for lists of NHL players by team. Hwy43 (talk) 08:11, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I appreciate the help, thanks! Gloss • talk 08:17, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

List is in really good shape, but I did notice a few of things.
1 It looks like you used the wrong size dash for the seasons. it looks like the longer M dash (—) was used when an N dash (–) should have been used.

Good work fixing this in the tables. There are a few more instances in the lead.
@Leech44: All fixed! Gloss • talk 16:17, 14 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

2 The sorting is not working properly on the playoff columns. The large amount of dashes int his column throw things off. Either {{sort|-0001|—}} or {{sort dash}} should be used which will fix the sorting issue. 3 Save Percentage note should be referenced. Other Player lists have a reference for this so it should be easy to find and copy over. 4 When using a color cell there should also be a corresponding symbol. (see List of Detroit Red Wings players for an example.) 5 While I couldn't find a specific requirement. It might be a good ideal to change the notes to alpha characters to further distinguish them from the references. 6 Eliminate the empty cell in the goaltenders abbreviation table by using a straight vertical listing. (Like the a fore mentioned Wings list or List of Vancouver Canucks players)

@Leech44: I've taken care of all of these fixes. Gloss • talk 20:40, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from --K.Annoyomous (talk)
Weak oppose from --K.Annoyomous (talk)
  • Richard Brodeur did not win a Stanley Cup with the Islanders; he was only with the team for two games in the regular season. Check to make sure that only players that have their names engraved on the Cup be indicated.
  • Goaltenders with 0's in their OTLs before 2005 and Ties after should instead have em dashes, don't you think? Ties aren't applicable in the current NHL, and should be indicated with an em dash instead of a 0 for goaltenders who joined the Islanders after 2005. This is extremely minor; more like a pet peeve than a mandatory thing that you have to do.
  • The Goaltender column would be more visually appealing if there was no fixed width. Trust me on this one. I should really write a Wikipedia essay on this sometime, but ain't nobody got time for that.
  • No one calls Ron Hextall Ronald.
  • Indication of retired numbers would be nice.
  • Both tables need captions (MOS:DTT).

Awesome job with the list. The main thing to fix is the indications of Stanley Cup winners. Other than that, great work, and let's hope the Islanders get back into their 80's groove! :)

P.S. Your userpage tells me that you have contributed to 11 featured lists, yet I can't seem to find you on this list.

--K.Annoyomous (talk) 14:30, 11 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take care of this all later today. My old username was "IMatthew" - it was changed a few months ago. I changed it on that list but I guess the bot reverted me. Gloss • talk 17:02, 11 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@K. Annoyomous: I took care of all of your comments. I agree with you on the ties/OTL thing, so that's taken care of too. Gloss • talk 21:08, 11 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Gloss: O wow. I just learned two new things: the new ping function and your name change. Shows you how inactive I have been. The bot did that to me too when I changed my name a few years ago. You just have to change your name on all the FL yearly logs, cause that's where Rick Bot retrieve his data from. To get you started off, here's Wikipedia:Featured lists promoted in 2008 :). --K.Annoyomous (talk) 15:50, 12 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@K. Annoyomous: Ha! Glad I could help you with both of those :) I'll take care of the captions right now and thanks for the link, I'll get to that sooner or later. Gloss • talk 21:12, 12 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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