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The list was promoted by User:Scorpion0422 04:12, 1 June 2008 [1].

List of Maryland and Washington, D.C. hurricanes (1980–present)[edit]

Alright, I know I only published this a few hours ago, but I firmly believe it passes the criteria. There might be some prose issues that I can't see, but if so they are probably very minor. Thanks, Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 22:15, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All resolved, good work. Marrio (talk) 20:52, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is there a list of pre-1980 hurricanes to compliment this one, and if so, where is it linked?
  • There are no sourced footnotes for the deadly hurricanes list at the end of the article.
  • In the lead:
  • Why is there different phrasing for Maryland (tropical cyclones) and DC (significant storms)?
  • Your lead needs some references for statements that are not summaries of info in the list, including the sentences that start 'The Delmarva Peninsula', 'Central and western Maryland', and 'Additionally, on rare occasions'.
  • There has to be an article to link to for Assateague Island, which is redlinked.
  • Just a preference, but there's an image related to every subection except 1990-1995.
Marrio (talk) 16:33, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, there's not a pre-1980 list yet, but I'm planning on writing a series similar to List of North Carolina hurricanes, so once I get his list done I'll move on to the next one. The deadly storms table doesn't need sources, as it is simply counting up all the deaths already mentioned in the article. In the lead, the reason there is different wording is because it is mostly a list of Maryland hurricanes because I mention every single storm, but it only gives information on significant storms for Washington, D.C.; chances are any storm that affected Maryland also affected Washington, D.C. Also, there is no need for references in the lead, as everything is already said in the article. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 17:37, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think the separate phrasing is necessary. It just doesn't seem necessary to phrase that sentence as, "encompasses 53 known tropical cyclones that have affected the U.S. state of Maryland and significant storms that have affected Washington, D.C" rather than, "encompasses 53 known tropical cyclonesand significant storms that have affected the U.S. state of Maryland and Washington, D.C".
As to the lead referencing, I've looked through the list, and I can't find where there's a reference for the idea that, "The Delmarva Peninsula is often affected by cyclones that brush the East Coast", or, "Central and western Maryland, including Washington, D.C., commonly receives rainfall from the remnants of storms that make landfall elsewhere and track northward." I don't believe this is a summary of content further along. These are more general assertions that need a cited authority to back them up.
Speaking of, copyedited that Central and western Maryland sentence - it now reads, "commonly receive". Central and western Maryland are two regions. Marrio (talk) 18:04, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I reworded the lead a bit, so that should be better. About the lead referencing, there are no references in the article. It is simply a total of how many storms have affected what areas. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 18:09, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good. I'll support, contingent on a couple of fixes to references I didn't notice before (apologies).
  • You've got a broken link in the first citation. It comes up as "Object Not Found".
  • You have one reference that mentions it's a pdf (10), but others that link to pdfs but don't mention it, as in 7 and 8. Having that notation is helpful.
  • Is the article title in ref 25 really in all caps?
  • Typo in 41 - 'prelinary'
Marrio (talk) 18:45, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, everything's done. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 19:47, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support - All resolved, good work. Marrio (talk) 20:52, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - check for tense consistency. I see several past tense. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:50, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think I got all of them. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 17:45, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Another problem is lack of 2008 USD's. Also, the dates are weird. How come the first sub-section is split by decade (1980-9), the next section is 6 years (1990-5), the next one is 4 years (1996-9), the next one is 4 years (2000-3), then the last section is (randomly) 2004-present. Grammar in the following sentence could be better; producing reported waves 12 ft (3.7 m) high. Just a little quibble. When saying, produces up to 2.70 in (69 mm) , it implies that rainfall reached up to, but still less than 2.7 inches. brushes the western border - what does that mean? Tense consistency is needed; Tropical Storm Beryl's remnants track over western Maryland and produces. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 13:37, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • I fixed the grammar mistakes. I'm trying to keep the sections as equal in size as possible, which is why the time periods vary. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 14:10, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • I think it would be more important to have the sections equal in size, in terms of time. I can see the argument for keeping the sections in similar lengths, but it distorts the scale of time by splitting it the way it currently is. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:30, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
            • What would you say, five years? 10 years? I'm just concerned that one section will have a few storms, and another will have dozens. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 14:33, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
              • Every other featured state hurricane list article does the same, which this article should be based off of. If there are too few, than have a larger time period, such as a decade. If there are too many, then split it down the middle (1990-1994, 1995-1999). ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:51, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I just came over to look at some lists, considering the proposal at WT:FAC; this list has a mess of messed up WP:DASHes, using spaced emdashes where it should have spaced endashes. It's also missing WP:NBSPs. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:24, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I fixed the dashes, but I only found one or two missing nbsps. Could you please specify if there are any more missing? Thanks, Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 02:34, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support with a few questions. I just made a few changes to the lead. Is "brushing an area with light rainfall" normal in metereological writing? It sounds like a weird construction here, and it's used twice. The last two sentences of the Hurricane Isabel item come off as odd too (the part about DC) but I can't put my finger on why. The sentence The following table includes all storms from since 1980 which have caused reported fatalities in Maryland and Washington, D.C. has an obvious error, and I believe the "which" should be "that". Tuf-Kat (talk) 01:29, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yes, to brush an area with light rainfall means to pass just offshore of a state, dropping light rainfall with the outer bands. I fixed that mistake. Thank you for your support and comments. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 01:36, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Matthew

Comments

  • I'm wondering why Maryland and DC storms are together in the same list? Would it become too short of a list if they were separated, or did each storm that hit Maryland also hit DC?
  • Hurricanes Tito and Isobel are linked in the list, but not Ivan
  • Wikilink $ to United States dollar, which negates the need for "USD")
  • Where did you get the convert from 2003 dollars to 2008 dollars? I think a reference is needed here.
  • Perhaps reword the above as "$125 million (in 2003, $146 million in 2008)"?
  • Apologies for my ignorance, but if the list is "hurricanes", why are Tropical storms and depressions included?
  • There's a number of over-wikilinks to inch and millimeter in the conversions. 1980-89 has 2, for example. I would only link the first instance in each section. Also, some measurements are abbreviated, and others are written in full. Again, I would write the first instance in each section in full, and abbreviate the remainder.
    • Hurricane Bob: Please wikilink the miles, kilometers, feet and meters in the conversions
    • Storm Danielle: Please wikilink mph and km/h
    • Remove the over-linking in Storms Bertha, Fran, Josephine, Bonnie, Irene, Kyle and Isabel.
    • Wikilink acres and km2 in Fran
  • Ref 26 is mid-sentence and needs moving to the end, or after punctuation
  • As the 1990s are grouped 1990-94, and 95-99, I'd group the 2000s as 2000-04 and 05-present.

A few things to be addressed before I support. Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 05:48, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the comments. I fixed the linking issues and I tried to clarify those terms some. Regarding your first question, most if not all storms that affected Maryland also affected DC in some way, so it would be redundant to make another list. About the USD issues, that's how all of the similar lists—List of North Carolina hurricanes (1980-present), List of New Jersey hurricanes, List of Delaware hurricanes, List of New York hurricanes, List of Florida hurricanes, etc.—format them, so I don't think it's really necessary to change them. Ref 26 and the year groups are fixed. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 13:14, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved - Noble Story (talk) 02:29, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • Terms: "hurricane strength winds", "peak gusts", "X storm tracking" What do they mean? Again, should be clarified.
  • The table of deadly storms seems rather short, too short to include as a separate section. Maybe you could just merge into the lead, or something along those lines. Noble Story (talk) 11:06, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I tried to clarify those terms some in the lead. Also, the deadly storms table doesn't seem to fit anywhere else, so that's the only good place for it. Thanks for the comments, Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 13:14, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Still Unresolved

  • I'm echoing matthew's bewilderment. What is the difference between a tropical cyclone, a hurricane, a tropical depression, and a tropical storm? I think you should clarify in the lead, or maybe make a key.
  • "No storms during the period have caused sustained hurricane strength winds, as only two in recorded history have done so. Hurricane strength winds are sustained winds of 75 mph (121 km/h) or greater." Perhaps you could say "...sustained hurricane strength winds (winds of 75 mph (121 km/h) or greater)..." Just seems a bit more efficient to say it that way.

Noble Story (talk) 13:30, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Noble Story (talk) 13:30, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I tried again. Any better? Thanks, Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 13:38, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie
  • Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (numbers), there should be a non-breaking space -   between a number and the unit of measurement. For example, instead of 350 mm, use 350 mm, which when you are editing the page, should look like: 350 mm.
  • "List of Maryland and Washington, D.C. hurricanes from 1980–present encompasses 54 known..." - Avoid repeating the title.
  • "Hurricane Ivan was the deadliest storm, indirectly killing two women when a tree was blown on their house due to a tornado spawned by the system." - Do you have a reference?
    • Other than those minor comments, awesome job on the list. « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie 00:01, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Hey, thanks for the comments. Added the missing nbsps. Yep, the Ivan fact has refs in the body of the article. About repeating the title, because it tells what the list is and doesn't just say "This is a list of...", I think it should be fine. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 00:27, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Support - seems to meet all criteria. « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie 14:39, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Additional Comments

  • still a bit of over-linking regarding measurements. (Virginia then Charley; Erin then Josephine; Gordon then Ivan
  • link ft/m in Tammy/Twenty-one, and switch the in/mm link from Barry to Cindy
  • Jeanne has ref [2] placed mid-sentence

And that should do it. Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 06:16, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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