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The list was promoted by Giants2008 via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 18 May 2020 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of Formula One polesitters[edit]

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Nominator(s): NapHit (talk) 16:46, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is my third attempt at getting this list to featured standard. I've gone through it recently to bring it up to scratch and hopefully it meets the standard. Been a while since I've been here, so apologies if I'm not up to date with the latest procedures. As always, thanks for the comments and the time taken to review, much appreciated. NapHit (talk) 16:46, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Bloom6132 (talk) 04:44, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • "Sebastian Vettel is the youngest polesitter, he was 21 years …" – either use a semicolon or an en dash instead of the comma.
  • Rest of the prose reads well
  • All images should include alt text
  • For Jim Clark's image caption, should use en dash instead of hyphen between "1967-1989"
  • Otherwise, all images utilized are licensed and tagged.
  • The one general ref could be sandwiched in between {{refbegin}} and {{refend}} (to make it the same font size as the specific refs)
  • For accessibility per MOS:DTT, left column of the key should include scope rows (see List of Major League Baseball single-inning home run leaders on how to format this)
  • Again for accessibility, replace all the asterisks with the {{asterisk}} template
  • If I'm not mistaken, bold or italics should not be used alone (i.e. should come with accompanying symbol for accessibility). For F1 champs, perhaps supplement with another accessible symbol like {{double-dagger}}, {{&}}, {{Number sign}}, etc.

—Bloom6132 (talk) 23:40, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments Bloom6132 (talk · contribs), I've addressed them all. NapHit (talk) 16:34, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – all comments addressed. I've made one minor edit to superscript the symbols – only a personal preference, so please feel free to revert. Looks to me like it meets all 6 FL criteria. Great work! —Bloom6132 (talk) 04:44, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: I am participating in the WikiCup, and intend to claim points from the above review. —Bloom6132 (talk) 23:40, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Harrias[edit]

  • Ref #2 appears to be trying to cite all of this: "The "formula" in the name refers to a set of rules to which all participants and cars must conform. The F1 World Championship season consists of a series of races, known as Grands Prix, held usually on purpose-built circuits, and in a few cases on closed city streets. The polesitter is the driver that has qualified for a Grand Prix in pole position, at the front of the starting grid. Drivers are awarded points based on their position at the end of each race, and the driver who accumulates the most points over each calendar year is crowned that year's World Champion. Out of the 1,018 completed Grands Prix (as of the 2019 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix), the driver that has qualified on pole position has gone on to win the race 425 times." But... it clearly doesn't! Everything other than the final sentence of that quote needs to be referenced.
  • Be consistent about whether to use "pole position" or "pole-position".
  • Link Nico Rosberg.
  • What makes Forix a reliable source? It appears to be "supported by" Autosport, not "published by" Autosport, so I am not sure it is appropriate to list Autosport as the publisher. In fact, looking, shouldn't "6th Gear" be the work, and Forix the publisher?
Forix is a part of Motorsport Network which is a reputable publisher of motorsport info and news. Think you're right about the publisher, so I've changed that. NapHit (talk) 17:22, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref #2 has a typo in the title. What makes "StatsF1" a reliable source?
Well, I was hoping you might be able to give me some help on that front. I noticed it's being used as a source in the Prost list you nominated here, and that it's also used in the Vettel list which has just been nominated. It's the most comprehensive site for F1 stats on the web, but I don't know how reliable it is. This scuppered the nom last time and I'm not sure I ever got a definitive response on the site's reliability as a source. NapHit (talk) 17:22, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nice way to turn it back on me! Having a look around, The Guardian have quoted StatsF1 as a source a few times, which is good enough for me. It is only being used as a light reference in this article, for a fact that could be removed from the article altogether if necessary, so it isn't a deal-breaker either way for me. Harrias talk 13:18, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref #3 needs publisher details.
  • Refs #7 and #9, be consistent about whether to include "Ask Steven" in the title.

That's all. A nice list, not much wrong with it beyond the missing references in the first paragraph. I am participating in the WikiCup, and intend to claim points from the above review. Harrias talk 08:38, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments Harrias, I've addressed your concerns and left a few comments above. NapHit (talk) 17:22, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support thanks for your work on this. Harrias talk 13:18, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from MWright96 (talk) 18:39, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from MWright96
  • "and in a few cases on closed city streets." - wikilink closed city streets to Street circuit
  • "Drivers are awarded points based on their position at the end of each race," - points can be wikilinked to List of Formula One World Championship points scoring systems
  • "at the front of the starting grid." - grid can be linked to Glossary of motorsport terms#G
  • Reference 7 is dead and will need archiving or replacing with another reliable source
  • Reference 8 is missing the author
  • Reference 13 should have the work as the publisher for consistency
  • "Senna holds the record for the most consecutive poles;" - pole positions
  • "Sebastian Vettel is the youngest polesitter; he was 21 years, 72 days old when he qualified in first place for the 2008 Italian Grand Prix." - BBC Sport does not mention the 72 days fact; please use another source to verify all of this sentence
  • "From 2014, the driver with the most pole positions in a season is awarded the Pole Trophy." - I think this sentence could do with a reference attached to it for verification reasons

That's all from me. A nice list overall. MWright96 (talk) 07:00, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments MWright96, much appreciated. I should have addressed all of your concerns. Let me know if you have any further suggestions. NapHit (talk) 17:53, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support Good work! Note I have made a minor change for consistency and have replaced the ESPN regs source from the early 2010s since it is outdated for this list and stated Q3 currently last 10 minutes. MWright96 (talk) 18:39, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments
  • The only thing I can pick you up on are the image captions - in some cases the driver's name is wikilinked and in others not, and some captions which are complete sentences need a full stop adding. Think that's it from me -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:18, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the comment ChrisTheDude, I've gone through and made those changes. NapHit (talk) 21:44, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Source review – My main issue with the sourcing is that the table itself doesn't have any inline referencing at all. For a 2020 FL, I'd at least expect the table headings to have inline sourcing when necessary, which is a form of inline citation I've seen used often in tables. I just don't think a couple of general references and nothing else is strong enough for a modern FL, and urge that this be improved upon. Otherwise, I don't have any reliability questions that weren't discussed adequately above. While I'd like to see the general references alphabetized, that isn't a major problem, and the formatting otherwise looks fine. The link-checker tool shows no issues. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:26, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the review Giants2008, I knew there would be something that had changed since I was last here! I've moved the general ref to the headings in both tables and moved the book ref into a bibliography section. Let me know if that's ok! NapHit (talk) 11:16, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'd almost forgotten that I made a comment here (sorry about that), but I see that a reference has been provided for the table, so that resolves my concern. The source review has been passed. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:16, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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