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List of Formula One World Championship points scoring systems[edit]

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Nominator(s): MWright96 (talk) 13:42, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This list is about the various points systems used by the FIA Formula One World Championship over the course of the history of the series to determine who wins the World Drivers' Championship and the World Constructors' Championship each season. I expanded this list two months ago and believe it meets the FL criteria. All comments are welcome MWright96 (talk) 13:42, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)
  • Table is mostly good, but is missing rowscopes: the primary cell of each row needs "scope=row", e.g. "| {{F1|1950}}–{{F1|1953}}" should be "!scope=row| {{F1|1950}}–{{F1|1953}}". Rowscopes, in combination with the colscopes you already have in the header row, let screen reader software easily parse tables accurately
  • In general, it's frowned upon to have multiple rows spanned together in a column to the right of one where they aren't spanned together; I can't find any guidance against it in DTAB so it might just be a visual thing. I think that what you have here is fine as it makes sense for the data to span together what you have done, so this is just a note calling it out for awareness. --PresN 13:59, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:30, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
;Comments
  • "The points scoring system structure" - are both the last two words actually needed?
  • "Participants in every season until 1990 were limited to a certain number of highest-placed results" - suggest a rewording of this, as it reads a bit like they were somehow physically prevented from achieving more than a certain number of good results
    • Have reworded the sentence. Thoughts?
      • I've been thinking over this - it's actually quite a hard concept to express. How about "Participants in every season until 1990 could only achieve Drivers' Championship points for their best-placed finishes in a specified maximum number of races".....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:38, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "No extra points have ever been awarded to drivers for leading the highest number of laps or qualifying on pole position." - seems a bit odd to mention things for which no points have ever been given.........
    • Removed, although this is because some motor racing series such as Formula E grant drivers points for qualifying on pole position and some such as NASCAR awarded drivers points for leading the highest number of laps MWright96 (talk) 16:57, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Thanks for clarifying. Wouldn't be averse to your putting it back in if you add that context i.e. "Unlike certain other motor racing series, Formula 1 has never awarded....." ? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:38, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "48 Grands Prix in succession from the 2018 British Grand Prix and the 2020 Bahrain Grand Prix." - the "and" should be "to"
  • Because of the wikilink on "Fastest Lap" in the table, it's actually impossible to bring up the tooltip (as far as I can see, anyway........)
    • Delinked
  • Note d - "Points for shared drivers were shared equally between the drivers" - think the first "drivers" should actually be "drives"
  • Note j - "The points in Indianapolis 500 race" => "The points in the Indianapolis 500 race"
  • That's what I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:11, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • "Unlike certain other motor racing series..." feel like you should mention which series. As a follower of F1, I'm a bit stumped about which series you're referring to.
  • "there have been 345 out of 770 Drivers' Championship points scorers..." this is a bit of a convoluted way of saying a certain number of drivers have scored points in a race. Would reword it for greater clarity.
  • I'm not sure if this is necessary per the criteria, but it would be nice to have an image in the lead. Perhaps of a Ferrari as they are the record points scorers?

Other than these points, it looks good. NapHit (talk) 14:24, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from TRM[edit]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:09, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
*"with the highest number of points attained" with the most points.
  • Link pole position.
  • "As of the 2021 Hungarian Grand Prix,, there" spare comma.
  • "points.[14][15] in 1,046 FIA" full stop failure.
  • "with 3973. Sebastian Vettel is second" would comma rather than full stop here.
  • "has the highest Drivers' Championship points total" interestingly this is bound to be slewed by the recent move to 25 points for a win, so is the comparison fair? How would Michael Schumacher had fared if he had been awarded 25 points for each win, for example? Or Senna? Or Prost?
    • The only information I could find online was from an unreliable source MWright96 (talk) 19:39, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "drivers got an" -> were awarded...
  • "points scores, having scored points" repetitive.
  • "he earned points at the" maybe instead of repeating this "earning points" thing, just say where he finished?
  • "championship point; he was 53 years and 249 days old when he accumulated points" ditto.
  • I think some coverage is needed in the lead of the points for "sprint qualifying", new for 2021.
  • And which "select Grands Prix" is this applicable to?
  • NYT link requires a subscription.
  • "Results". Formula One. Retrieved 10 April 2021." but the list is as of the Hungarian GP in 2021 which was in August...

That's all I have. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:15, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Grapple X[edit]

  • I could be an idiot (I am an idiot) but I'm thrown by the "Drivers Championship" and "Constructors Championship" columns in the table proper. It seems to tally how many places points were awarded for in a race ("all" presumably meaning "up to 10th place"?) but entries like "9 (5 from first 6, 4 from last 5)" don't seem readily understandable from the text in the lead, which does mention "The format was expanded to include the first six finishers of each event between 1960 and 2002 but with no point for fastest lap" but nothing about the "last 5" (or last 6 or last 7, etc)? I could just be missing something on a hump day morning here but perhaps a note to explain this, just in with the other lettered notes, wouldn't go amiss.
    • Added abbr templates in the table for clarity MWright96 (talk) 15:06, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Much appreciated.
  • Not important or anything, but sometimes historic football seasons are compared with the modern game in an adjusted format (it used to be 2 points for a win, now 3, so comparing a season in, say, the 50s to now is sometimes done by adding those extra points); if there were a reliable source which contextualised Hamilton's record points tally on a similar basis it would be an interesting addition—a nice concrete example of the changing point systems and their impact. This obviously isn't something we should be doing ourselves but if you ever come across reliable sports coverage discussing it, it might be worth circling back to.
    • The only source I found of this was unreliable MWright96 (talk) 15:06, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • No worries. Would be an interesting addition if it ever comes up reliably but it's not necessary.
  • Overall seems well-cited and broadly researched, a good in-depth look. If PresN is happy with the accessibility of rowspans then I am, and the prose looks good to me. I'd be happy to support if my first point is addressed, even if that just means pointing out what I've missed. Good work. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 11:13, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review – Pass[edit]

  • Version reviewed – 1
Formatting
  • Ref#11 – Sky Sports can be linked here. Linking a publication/website multiple times in multiple citations is not considered over-linking. (Per MOS:REFLINK)
  • Similar with Ref#15, 16, 21, 22, 25, 29 and others
  • Be consistent with whether to include publishing location or not. We just have them in two sources (Switzerland and Endland)
Reliability
  • No issues
Verifiability
  • Did a few spot-checks. Looks good.

– Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 15:26, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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