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The list was not promoted by User:The Rambling Man 06:38, 14 July 2008 [1].

List of Boston Bruins head coaches[edit]

Okay, I just got this up to standard, (thanks Gonzo fan2007 (talk · contribs) for the referencing and AndonicO (talk · contribs) for copyediting) and it seems to meet all criteria. « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie 02:47, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Gary King (talk) 03:41, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Gman124 talk 16:30, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

'Comments - Oppose until fixed'

  • Use em dashes for empty cells not en dash.
  • Link all years for term to the season the term began or ended and link years in awards columns.
    • Why are the term columns linked to pages that don't exist, link to the NHL season pages instead, or remove the red links. --Gman124 talk 01:28, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Un-italicize present in the term column.
  • You have a W–L % for the regular season, so how about putting W–L % for playoffs as well?

--Gman124 talk 12:29, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

oppose Until fixed Split up Harry Sinden's playoff record for his terms just like his regular season record, also for other coaches that had multiple terms. --Gman124 talk 12:53, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done with everything above. I didn't add the W-L% for the playoffs, as it would not follow the same basic format of other head coaches lists. « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie 02:39, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support All of my comments have been answered. --Gman124 talk 23:14, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments
    • In the sentence, "The Boston Bruins, a professional ice hockey team based in Boston, Massachusetts, have had 27 head coaches in team history.", the last words should be "in their team history".
    • "organization" should be "franchise".
    • "The team was founded in 1924, and entered the league as the first American-based expansion franchise." should be "The franchise was founded in 1924 and entered the NHL as the first American-based expansion team."
    • Make this sentence, "Their home arena is the 17,565-person capacity TD Banknorth Garden, where it has played since 1995, after leaving the Boston Garden—which had been their home since the team was established in 1924." a little bit shorter.
    • "Art Ross, (who served four stints as the Bruins head coach) Cy Denneny, Lynn Patrick, Milt Schmidt, and Mike Milbury have all been inducted to the Hockey Hall of Fame." should be "Art Ross, Cy Denneny, Lynn Patrick, Milt Schmidt, and Mike Milbury have all been inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame.".
    • "coaching the Bruins" should be "with the Bruins".
    • "the Bruins only" should be "only for the Bruins".
    • "stints" shouls be "terms".
    • You should put a "*" beside everyone with a orange background, a "†" beside everyone with a green background and a "††" beside everyone with a purple background. Also, in the key, put the purple background with the "††".
    • why are some terms linked and some terms aren't linked? Read MOS:UNLINKYEARS.
    • change "Reference" to "Note" or "Ref"
    • Why are you putting player awards on the Awards column. This list is about NHL coaches. Also only put the awards that has a wikipedia link with it.
    • All the dashes in the term column should be en dashes and all the dashes everyone else on the list should be em dashes. Read WP:DASH
    • "Frank Patrick spent his entire career coaching the Bruins, and led them to the playoffs each year he coached the team." should be "Frank Patrick never missed the playoffs while he spent his entire coaching career with the Bruins."
    • If all that is done, I'll support. Annoyomous24 (talk) 20:25, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    • Oppose Annoyomous24 20:06, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Resolved comments from Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 19:00, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Comments

    • WP:CS. Place references after, not before punctuation
    • ""The franchise was founded in 1924" Unnecessary " at the beginning of the sentence
    • "The Boston Bruins … have had 27 head coaches in their team history.[1] The franchise is a member" Singular/plural number. From American and British English differences, In AmE, collective nouns are usually singular in construction. It is one team, and so the Boston Bruins has had 27 head coaches in its team history.
    • "They are also an Original Six team" → "It is also an Original Siz team"
    • "Their home arena" → "Its home arena"
    • "Claude Julien, the current coach of the Bruins, took over after Dave Lewis was fired in 2007." → "The current Bruins coach, Claude Julien, began his tenure in 2007 after Dave Lewis was fired"
    • Be consistent with dashes. The first column uses mdashes, but the playoffs columns use ndashes
    • In the key, there is an orange square with an asterisk, and a green square with a dagger to identify certain things. In the table, only the colours are used, but not the asterisks and daggers.
    • There is also a †† thing, with no colour, yet there are purple rows in the table.
    • Because a asterisk is used, and a dagger, to identify both, you should do *†, rather than ††

    Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 08:26, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Support' everything looks good. But didn't you get the memo about "six" becoming "siz"? :) Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 19:00, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    • Question Could you tell me how Win–Loss percentage is calculated? For example, Pat Burns has won 105 and lost 109 = 105/214=.490 - what am I missing? (the article says .444) --maclean 00:39, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Hockey is different. The formula for hockey is Wins + 0.5(ties)/total games. « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie 01:32, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • wow OTLs are confusing. From what I see OTLs are listed as ties from 06-07 onwards, but as losses beforehand while being counted as ties in the W/L percentage. I went through the list from PB to CJ and PB is the only one not adding up:
    (105 wins) + 0.5(46 Ties) / 254 games = 128/254 = .504
        • Why not include Claude Julien 07-08 season?
        • Mike Sullivan is missing a playoff record.
        • Also, perhaps Harry Sinden's playoff records should be split up like his regular season records. -maclean 03:19, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • Done with everything. Mike Sullivan never made it to the playoffs (with the Bruins) - that's why he doesn't have a playoff record. « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie 01:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
            • Who coached the Bruins during their (7 game) fist round playoff loss to Montreal during the 2003–04 NHL season playoffs?
            • Why specify "Winner" in the Awards column if nominees are not included? Should Jack Adams nominees, like Robbie Ftorek in the 2001-02 season, be listed here as well? maclean 03:35, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Please justify the figures in the GC, W, L and T columns, or do something to make them appear neater. In the key, why is "Loss" not "loss"? Read MOS on not using upper case initials just because an abbreviation is shown.
    • Why is "Hockey Hall of Fame" linked twice in the key?
    • Red links are a problem. See criteria.
    • Use either en dashes (my preference) or em dashes in blank squares; not both.
    • "Also" is unnecessary in the first para. Remove comma after 1995? Two alsos in consecutive sentences in the second para; work out how to remove one, please.
    • Is "fired" on the informal side for WP? "dismissed"? TONY (talk) 01:43, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • CommentsOppose There are still links to disamg. pages.
      • Fix redirects to avoid future double redirect issue.
        • Julien and Lewis(in the caption); Johnson(in the lead, it's a disamg. page), Sullivan(in the lead, it's a disamg. page), and Lewis in the table.
        • I think it's time that seasonal pages be linked to the pages with endashes in their names. These redirects can stay, of course, but why?
      • What's the purpose of the see also section? None of the links are related to this page. Why do I need to know who the current captains or players are when I am looking at the Bruins' coaches? Plus, there is already a template with related links at the bottom.
      • Why do we color the whole row just to indicate that the coach has done something when we can color the cell with the name only? This way the lists will be less colorful.

    --Crzycheetah 23:32, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    • Object due to incomplete fields. The source for the article Hockey-Reference.com does not list a playoff record for Mike Sullivan but the team went to the playoffs in the middle of his tenure (2003–04 NHL season). So who was the head coach during the playoff games? I see that Hockey-Reference.com has been accepted as a reliable source in past FLs like List of Buffalo Sabres head coaches and List of Detroit Red Wings head coaches (Red Wings didn't go the playoffs in 2003 or 2004? wtf?) but there does appear to be a hole here. --maclean 20:28, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Added playoff record. « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie 21:57, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • Can we get a reference that lists his complete records? --maclean 23:13, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • I replaced the previous reference. « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie 23:54, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
            • Why specify "Winner" in the Awards column if nominees are not included? Should Jack Adams nominees, like Robbie Ftorek in the 2001-02 season, be listed here as well? maclean 19:15, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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