Wikipedia:Featured article review/Yuan (surname)/archive1

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The article was removed by YellowAssessmentMonkey 00:47, 1 September 2009 [1].

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Yuan (surname)

Review commentary

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This article is definitely close to FA, but it needs some cleaning up.

• The entire article needs way more inline citations. Even if they're all coming from the same source. There's plenty of bombastic language that needs backing up.
• The citation style is messy, and includes "Ibid." and so on.
• Someone ought to review these sources, since they're all in Chinese and there's no way to tell what's a reliable source (is Zhonghua shu ju a "well-regarded academic press"?). This doesn't look like a reliable source but it could be, I would have no way of knowing.
• The lead image claims to be "circa 2nd century" but the description page says it's self-made, which is it? The stele image doesn't have a source.
• The "prominent personages" list includes people without articles, are they notable?
• The prose is good and meets MOS but is it brilliant? Noisalt (talk) 01:38, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I fixed the problem of redlinks in the "Prominent Personages" list by creating an article on one of the people, who is definitely notable, and deleting the other two, on whom I could find little.--Danaman5 (talk) 05:03, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Clarified caption of lead image.--Danaman5 (talk) 16:33, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Images need alt text as per WP:ALT. Eubulides (talk) 03:00, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Alt text added. As before, your corrections are welcome.--Danaman5 (talk) 16:23, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. My own feeling is that when an image focuses on text, that text should appear in alt text even when the text is not English. File:Yuan character (1st century).png is a Chinese character, so its alt text should contain the text equivalent of that character; since that image is particularly about visual appearance of a character, it should briefly describe the gist of the character's appearance to an English-language reader (something like "a character with ten strokes: a stick figure of a man above a circle..."); the color is not that important here since it's arbitrary editorial choice. The alt text for File:Yuanshi Zongpu.jpg should contain the text for the Chinese characters in the image (no English translation, obviously; that's in the caption; also there's no need here to describe the characters in detail). Similarly the Chinese text of the stele should be added to the stele's alt text, since the text is quite legible. One image still lacks alt text; this comes from the protected {{Surname}} template and I just now asked to get this fixed. Eubulides (talk) 17:10, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I just now struck the items that have been fixed, but the other problems still remain. Eubulides (talk) 12:32, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Fair use rationale needed for File:Yuanshi Zongpu.jpg. DrKiernan (talk) 09:30, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

FARC commentary

Suggested FA criteria concern are citations, prose, alt text. Also note the recent change to WP:WIAFA (1c) requiring "high-quality" sources. FAQ? YellowMonkey (cricket photo poll!) paid editing=POV 00:37, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

• Delist per lack of citations. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:00, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
• Delist per Dabomb87. Most of article is unsourced. Article has not been worked on since last month. —mattisse (Talk) 15:07, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
• Delist. I've seen worse-cited articles, but no work is being done to fix the problems in this article. JKBrooks85 (talk) 23:38, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
• Delist, per FA criteria concerns. Cirt (talk) 06:06, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
• Delist. Several paragraphs and important sentences remain unsourced. Eubulides (talk) 12:34, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

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