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The article was removed by YellowAssessmentMonkey 02:58, 24 March 2010 [1].

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Puerto Ricans in World War II

Review commentary

• Featured article candidates/Puerto Ricans in World War II

• Featured article review/Puerto Ricans in World War II/archive1

Notified: Marine 69-71, WT:MILHIST, WT:WikiProject Caribbean, WT:PUR, WT:USMIL, WT:WWII

At the moment (permalink), this fails 1c. Also note the new-ish change to 1c requiring "high-quality" references. Second, I'm not sure this article should be an article; can anyone give me another example of an article about the citizens of a country in a war? I can't find any besides Hispanic Americans in World War II (also written by Tony); otherwise, the only ones I can find are about countries in wars, like Military history of Canada during the Second World War.

• Current refs 1, 8: http://www.neta.com/~1stbooks/unit1.htm ; http://www.neta.com/~1stbooks/marin.htm WP:SPS
• Current ref 4: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/la-mano/message/3099 WP:SPS, WP:RS
• Current ref 6: http://www.aworldtowin.net/reviews/Spanishcivilwar.html - even if this is reliable, we should be citing the book, not a review of the book.
• Current ref 7: http://www.alba-valb.org/ - how does this support what it cites?
• Current ref 9: http://www.elboricua.com/MilitaryHistory.html WP:SPS / you're citing yourself / a copy of this Wikipedia article?
• Current ref 10: http://bellsouthpwp.net/r/u/ruiz_b/LuisRaulEsteves/Luis_Raul_Esteves.htm WP:SPS
• Current refs 11 and 12: what are you trying to cite here? It's not clear at all.
• Current ref 13: http://mervino.com/window/IBB/canpics/can46-1.html WP:SPS
• Current refs 14, 18, 20 and 32: http://www.valerosos.com/CommandsGVillahermosa.html ; http://www.valerosos.com/HonorandFidelity3.html ; http://www.valerosos.com/CommandsGVillahermosa.html ; http://www.valerosos.com/2.htm - looks reliable with the author's bio, but it also looks to be a tribute site that is glorifying the regiment. Not a good source. Fourth link is WP:SPS
• Current ref 15: http://web.archive.org/web/20060704203753/www.prpop.org/biografias/ - what makes this reliable?
• Current ref 17: http://veteransforpr.com/history.htm - dead
• Current ref 24: http://utopia.utexas.edu/explore/latino/narratives/08pagan_fernando.html - dead link, no publisher
• Current ref 25: http://utopia.utexas.edu/explore/latino/narratives/08ramirez_louis.html - dead link
• Current ref 27: http://www.homeofheroes.com/members/02_DSC/citatons/03_wwii-dsc/army_m.html WP:SPS
• Current ref 28: http://www.prsoldier.com/17-aug2005.pdf - dead link
• Current ref 29: http://utopia.utexas.edu/explore/latino/narratives/4delizsantos.html - dead link
• Current ref 30: what are you citing here?
• Current ref 31: http://web.archive.org/web/20070517215450/http://www.worldwar2pilots.com/earlspage.html - WP:SPS
• Current ref 34: http://www.womensmemorial.org/Education/PRHistory.html - you couldn't get a better source for this?
• Current ref 36: http://web.archive.org/web/20070927095022/http://www.ansomil.org/home/USNAofficers.html#Arellano - reliable?
• Current ref 37: http://www.usswashington.com/dl05au42.htm - not reliable, WP:SPS
• Current ref 38: http://www.mlrsinc.com/newsletters/Griggs_Grundy/GGNL1201.pdf - are newsletters written by ex-shipmates really reliable? I'm leaning no..
• Current ref 39: http://www.navsource.org/archives/06/245.htm - Navsource is not reliable
• Current ref 46: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/PUERTORICO/1999-07/0931655867 - ancestry.com is not reliable.
• Current ref 48: http://www.history.com/encyclopedia.do?articleId=207654 - dead link.
• Current ref 52: http://www.prsoldier.com/soldier.html - redirects
• Current ref 56: http://web.archive.org/web/20070303104805/http://www.rootsweb.com/~prsanjua/mil-003.htm - not reliable.
• —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 05:58, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

• Comment As an initial comment, the references appear sufficient to meet WP:N so this is an OK topic for an article. Nick-D (talk) 07:31, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
• Comment I don't see anything wrong with the topic either, for instance there are several similar articles, such as Military history of Australia during World War II and those previously listed. ChoraPete (talk) 17:35, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
  • You misunderstand. "Military History of Australia during World War II" and other similarly-named articles are about the countries as a whole during the war; they will cover the battles fought by and the home front on the country. Puerto Rico was/is not an independent nation. Basically, we're cherry-picking members of the military who won a medal simply because they happened to be from a certain island belonging to the United States. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 21:23, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
    • Well, there appear to be sufficient reliable sources available to support a separate article on this topic. The same applies to other sub-national groups during the war - for instance, there's tons of material available to write articles on Indigenous Australians in World War II, Japanese-Americans in World War II, Māori in World War II, etc, and these would all make really interesting articles. We, rightfully, also have a Women's roles in the World Wars article, and that's just the tip of the iceberg of that topic. Nick-D (talk) 23:22, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
      • Okay, I've struck those sentences above. More on why I thought that is here, if you're interested. :) Regards, —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 00:55, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

• Further comments
  • While I don't agree with Ed's views on whether this is a suitable topic for an article, I do agree with the concerns he's raised over sourcing
  • The legal status of Puerto Rico and its population should be outlined in the 'Lead-up to World War II' section to help readers who know little about this topic (like me)
  • When did the near-invasion of Martinique take place?
  • Was the 65th Infantry Regiment assigned to a division in Italy, or did it serve as an independent regiment?
  • The 'Notable Puerto Rican combatants' section is probably unessessary, especially as its unclear why some of these men are notable - eg, Fernando Bernacett, Clement Resto and Santos Deliz seem to have not done anything particularly unusual
  • Why weren't Puerto Rican nurses allowed to join the Army or Navy even though Puerto Rican men were being drafted into these services? (racism, I assume)
  • I'm surprised that there's no coverage of the Puerto Rican 'home front' - I imagine that German submarine operations in the Caribbean would have caused some anxiety and that USAAF and US Navy units were based on the island to escort shipping. Also, did the war impact on Puerto Rico's economy? Nick-D (talk) 23:56, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

• Comment. Please add alt text to images; see WP:ALT. Eubulides (talk) 00:15, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

FARC commentary

Featured article criterion of concern are reliable sources, citations, comprehensiveness YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 05:59, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• Delist - no work has been done to address the concerns above. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 06:23, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
• Delist - There has been nothing done to address the above issues since the FAR began. Dana boomer (talk) 00:56, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
• Regretful delist Most of the above issues haven't been rectified. It should be possible to bring this article back to FA standard without too much work though. Nick-D (talk) 07:55, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
• Delist - no work done to address the concerns stated above. -MBK₀₀₄ 04:15, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

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