Wikipedia:Featured article review/Megatokyo/archive1

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The article was delisted by Casliber via FACBot (talk) 3:34, 22 February 2016 (UTC) [1].

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Megatokyo

Notified: L33tminion, jimmyBlackwing, Webcomics work group

Review section

I am nominating this featured article for review because of the following reasons, which I originally brought up on the talk page without any response:

"The main issue I have is the current plot section. I counted fifteen passages detailing the entire story of Megatokyo, without any kind of sources. I've placed the two tags there a while ago, but barely any change seems to have been made. I don't know if WikiProject Comics has a specific guideline for this, but judging from other WikiProjects, I don't believe we would need more than five paragraphs to explain the comic's plot. I usually find that you only need to explain the plot as well as the reliable sources do.

Other issues I have are as follows:

• I have a hard time imagining that this entire sentence can be verified using primary sources without it being original research. Has Gallagher described these influences in comments or something along those lines, or are trope-savvy people simply pointing out what they're seeing? I'm talking about this:
  • "a Japanese school girl, Yuki, who has also started being a magical girl in recent comics;[38] and Ping, a robot girl.[39] In addition, Dom and Ed, hitmen employed by Sega and Sony, respectively, are associated with a Japanese stereotype that all Americans are heavily armed.[40]"
• Is the following part notable? It is only supported by a primary source, so I have no idea whether "anyone cares". I'm talking about the following:
  • "Characters in Megatokyo usually speak Japanese, although some speak English, or English-based l33t. Typically, when a character is speaking Japanese, it is signified by enclosing English text between angle brackets (<>)"
• One citation has a bare link in it, which simply looks ugly: "http://dccomics.com/dccomics/graphic_novels/?gn=14558"
• In the "Some critics, such as Eric Burns ..." paragraph in the reception section, it can be unclear what is and isn't supported by the "You Had Me And You Lost Me" source. Did Burns point out the "Shirt Guy Dom" strip or is this original research?
• Though not necessary, it may be possible to split the references to primary sources and those to secondary sources, such as how it's done in xkcd. This would make it easier to judge the quality of the sources at a glance, but I suppose it's more a personal preference.

That's what I got for now. The bloated plot section is the biggest issue, though, and I hope someone could fix that."

Simply judging from WP:FACR, I'm worried that the plot section consists entirely of original research (1c) and goes into unnecessary detail (4). Megatokyo was promoted to FA in 2006 – back when Wikipedia was less strict – and it is currently the only webcomics-related article that is Featured class. I hope these issues can be fixed, rather than the article being delisted. ~Mable (chat) 10:29, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Comment - Maplestrip, are you willing to trim the plot section? I don't think I'm understanding why you didn't just trim it if you thought it needed trimming. Plot sections don't require citations unless something is controversial or disputed. The rest seem like pretty easy fixes. --Laser brain (talk) 15:51, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

I have read a few years worth of the comic, and am still not really sure how to trim the plot section can be trimmed. I mean, I could probably sum it up to just the first chapter and change the section's title to "setting", but is that appropriate? And there's just such a variety of issues that I don't think I can fix it. I don't own the Megatokyo book, and I feel like the references should be looked through either way. There are a few dead links, a few with no publisher listed (for example: "An interview with Fred Gallagher" and "Manga Review: Megatokyo Volume 1") and there are so many primary sources used that I don't even know anymore what is and isn't notable. Getting this article to GA status would take some work, but I suppose I could do it if I put in the effort (save for the plot section, which I'm bad at). I'm definitely not planning on trying to get this to FA quality... Other things:

• Following Gallagher's complete takeover of Megatokyo, the comic's thematic relation to Japanese manga continued to grow.
• Megatokyo's fans have been called "some of the most patient and forgiving in the webcomic world."
• Poking fun at this, Jerry "Tycho" Holkins of Penny Arcade has claimed to have "gotten on famously" with Gallagher, ever since he "figured out that [Gallagher] legitimately detests himself and is not hoisting some kind of glamour."[75]

The article just really hasn't aged well, and I'm not very good with working on articles like that... ~Mable (chat) 16:46, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

OK, that makes sense! It is indeed challenging to work on these when the primary authors are checked out. Thanks for the response. --Laser brain (talk) 17:15, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

• Move to FARC. No-one working on it. DrKay (talk) 09:22, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

FARC section

Concerns raised in the review section largely centred on original research and excessive detail. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:04, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

• Delist. Tagged for unsourced material, needing additional references, dead links, and plot summary needing attention. DrKay (talk) 13:28, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
• Closing note: This removal candidate has been delisted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please leave the {{featured article review}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Cas Liber (talk) 13:34, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

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