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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article review. Please do not modify it. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or at Wikipedia talk:Featured article review. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was delisted by Nikkimaria via FACBot (talk) 2:58, 14 September 2019 (UTC) [1].

Ceres (dwarf planet)[edit]

Notified: Drbogdan, JorisvS, WolfmanSF, Ruslik0, Ckatz, Urhixidur, Kheider, Materialscientist, Deuar, The Enlightened, Ryulong (emailed), The Singing Badger, Edisonwhite, RJHall, Serendipodous, WikiProject Solar System, WikiProject Astronomical objects

Review section[edit]

I am nominating this featured article for review because it has not been adequately updated since the Dawn mission in 2015, which revolutionized our understanding of Ceres. In April this year I updated the 'internal structure' section, which was still based on pre-Dawn publications (with some post-Dawn stuff tacked on at the end). This suggests that there'd been no serious attempt at a general update of the article since the Dawn mission (not counting sporadic bits and pieces, a lot of nifty new images and the data in the info box), making it too dated (or the data not well enough integrated) to be FA. My attempt at updating the 'internal structure' section resulted in 2 contradictory paragraphs, as I don't know the lit well enough to evaluate it. My edits certainly weren't up to FA standards. It's now two months later, and there hasn't been any editor response on the article talk page to my concerns or to the possibility of an FAR. — kwami (talk) 20:42, 21 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • I agree it's not up to FA standards at present. The lead section alone is suffering from bloat. The added content needs to be moved down to the body of the article, with the lead serving as a high-level summary. There are far too many images in the Maps section and below. A few of the references also need refinement. The content could do with a thorough re-edit to eliminate a lot of the accumulated dross. For example, do we really need to know this: "Dawn's arrival in a stable orbit around Ceres was delayed after, close to reaching Ceres, it was hit by a cosmic ray, making it take another, longer route around Ceres in back, instead of a direct spiral towards it"? Praemonitus (talk) 19:32, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

FARC section[edit]

Concerns raised in the review section include currency and organization. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:13, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist. Tagged for updating since April. Choppy five-paragraph lead. Large gallery section. Unclear captions with weasel-words, such as "Notable geological features" (why are they notable and what are they specifically?) and "Internal structure August 2018" (what are the different layers and why is the date significant?). DrKay (talk) 13:21, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist. I started to write my own comments, but DrKay's summary above sums it up better than I could. I would also agree, to greater or lesser extents, with the various other issues identified. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:52, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist. The lead section needs an overhaul to get rid of the choppiness. Similarly, the "name" sub-section introduces a lot of small sentences without them being interwoven into a cohesive, flowing narrative; this disconnected flow in prose is a recurrent problem throughout the article. Towards the end, we are introduced to a massive number of images that are... just there. There's no supporting text whatsoever to make sense of any of the images in the "maps" and "gallery" sections. Finally, the article is seemingly in need of substancial updates. RetiredDuke (talk) 16:27, 8 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist. Although the lead section has been recently shortened, I still believe that some sections (Internal structure and potential habitability) seem unfinished and require some additional information. In addition, the amount of images in the gallery below is too excessive and takes up at least half of the whole article. As RetiredDuke has mentioned, there isn't much context behind the images, especially the repeated usage of oversized Ceres maps and Dawn images. Nrco0e (talk) 22:32, 13 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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