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The article was not promoted by Graham Colm (talk) 06:28, 5 September 2014 (diff).

Thirteen (Megadeth album)[edit]

Nominator(s): L1A1 FAL (talk) 19:31, 4 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about Thirteen, the 13th studio album by heavy metal band Megadeth. I believe that this article presently exceeds the criteria for GA status, and believe that it should be reviewed for FA status. L1A1 FAL (talk) 19:31, 4 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by The Banner[edit]

I was requested to take a look at this article by Retrohead

Just a short look because I don't like that style of music...

What is the relevance of the release date 1 November, except that two albums were released on that date?
Why is it mentioned twice that Andy Sneap was not available as producer?

Fixed.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 21:28, 6 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I leave it with that, as I have no emotional connection or knowledge of that style of music. Sorry. The Banner talk 19:52, 6 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The sentence It was released worldwide on November 1, 2011, making it the second Megadeth album (after Youthanasia in 1994) to be released on that date; (...) and the later sentence Furthermore, despite the superstitions surrounding the number 13, Mustaine said he was actually more concerned with the album's release date of November 1 being a bad omen; referring to the release of Youthanasia (which was released on the same date in 1994), suggest that there was something special with that date. The Banner talk 21:50, 6 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean that the mention of the other album, Youthanasia, in the lead? I ended up taking that mention out as there seemed to be too much fluff in the lead anyway. It's been reworked significantly.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 13:08, 7 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Much better! The Banner talk 14:32, 7 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by J Milburn and LuciferMorgan[edit]

Images are fine. Concert image is freely licensed, and, though the uploader gave us nothing else, it is not suspicious. Cover image is non-free but has an appropriate rationale and meets the NFCC. If any other files are added to the article, a new review will be needed. J Milburn (talk) 18:14, 10 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, noted--L1A1 FAL (talk) 19:27, 10 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The article is quite listy I feel, saying "In an interview with X magazine" quite a lot. Surely if readers wish to know which interview certain sentiments are from, they can just check the citations? LuciferMorgan (talk) 19:13, 10 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I will take a look at that then. Is it okay to leave some here and there though?--L1A1 FAL (talk) 19:27, 10 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Update removed them--L1A1 FAL (talk) 18:24, 13 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Retrohead[edit]

Note: Due to my involvement in editing Megadeth–related articles, I'll submit comments without supporting or opposing the nomination. I'll focus on the references used in the article. Additional feedback is welcomed.

Source check

The better part of the article is sourced with Blabbermouth.net. Since its use was accepted in other FAs, I'll consider it reliable. There was minor inconsistency with the date formatting (month, day vs day, month) which has been corrected. Other references with multiple use include Ultimate-Guitar.com, Rolling Stone, Brave Words & Bloody Knuckles, MusicRadar, Loudwire, and Billboard, which seem good as well.
There are two references in the first sentence in 'Writing, recording and album artwork'. Is the statement supported by both or is one extra?

If you're talking about the first sentence in the second paragraph (cites 7 and 8) both support that--L1A1 FAL (talk) 15:02, 11 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Citations 4 & 5 actually.--Retrohead (talk) 17:23, 11 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ah. Cleaned that up. I checked the history and it seems that was added only about a month ago. Looks like Curly Turkey added it (in good faith) from the main Megadeth page. Probably related to FA cleanup there. In any case it's redundant.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 20:07, 11 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Citation 11: Pages of band members on social websites such as Twitter and Facebook fall under WP:PRIMARY and shouldn't be used on Wikipedia.

Gone--L1A1 FAL (talk) 15:02, 11 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Citation 46 & 56: YouTube can be replaced with a more dependable reference.

Gone. Both had backup refs already anyway--L1A1 FAL (talk) 15:02, 11 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Citation 53: Music retailers such as iTunes are generally not considered to be reliable sources, but since it was used to confirm the release date, I think it can stay in this case.

Changed the date, because that page says Sept 24, not 28. In any case, I'd like to find another source... BWBK, Loudwire, ulgimate guitar... whatever--L1A1 FAL (talk) 15:02, 11 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Citation 63: Radio stations like KEGL are useful, but the link jumps to another website

Dead link gone--L1A1 FAL (talk) 15:02, 11 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Citation 38: The source is acceptable (Megadeth.com), but the link leads to wrong entry. Since ref 39 supports the same information, I think it can safely be dropped.

What probably happened is that it was a good link, but when the band revamped their website for Super Collider, it got screwed up. I've seen that with a number of citations from the band's site. Anyway, its gone now, along with a small portion of text that wasnt in the other cite.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 20:07, 11 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ref names are optional. I suggest eliminating these if a reference is used once; otherwise, it loads the page with unnecessary bytes.

Done, except for cite 52, which I left to differentiate from a similar source next to it.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 05:13, 15 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Citation 31: leads to wrong entry.

Dead link, can't find interview elsewhere on site. Removed since there are other citations there.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 16:06, 13 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Citation 41: I'm not familiar with this source. I assume it's safe to omit it since the same information is covered by Brave Words.

Rockline is a nationally syndicated radio show in the US. I believe its reputable and feel comfortable leaving it. Besides, its a nice change from all the blabbermouth citations--L1A1 FAL (talk) 16:06, 13 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Citation 42: This is a dead link. I assume this is the correct destination, but since Wikipedia's software doesn't accept archived links, we'll have to either omit it or find another reference.

It appears that the original was deleted, cause I couldn't find it after searching for the title. I couldn't find another source there saying the same thing, so for verifiability, I tweaked the text to match another blabbermouth article from the same period and put in that cite. So, in short, fixed--L1A1 FAL (talk) 16:18, 13 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Citations 1, 2, 3, are redundant per WP:INFOBOXREF, since the release date and recording place are sourced in the article's body.

Done--L1A1 FAL (talk) 16:06, 13 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Niwi3[edit]

Had some time and read through it today. --Niwi3 (talk) 22:29, 17 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'll get to addressing these in the next couple days--L1A1 FAL (talk) 05:23, 18 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The lead should mention what critics liked and/or disliked about the album. I would also remove the Matacritic rating as it is redundant.

Metacritic rating removed, but as for what critics liked or didn't like, there isn't really a whole lot of consistency either way.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 04:59, 30 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The 'Writing, recording and album artwork' section needs to be rewritten because it looks like a history. Almost every paragraph starts with a date and follows the same pattern: "In [insert date here], the band [insert announcement here]". This makes the article uninteresting and repetitive. The prose should flow, like one person speaking to another.

In progress--L1A1 FAL (talk) 17:11, 23 August 2014 (UTC) Update Did some work there, but I've left some dates there for the purpose of clarity. I also trimmed some unnecessary commentary from the band regarding the album's production--L1A1 FAL (talk) 04:59, 30 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Do not use contractions: "Mustaine commented on the quality of the songs on Thirteen by declaring he hadn't heard an album that" -> had not; "She said that the album wasn't "perfect", but noted that..." -> was not.

Both done immediately since they're quick fixes--L1A1 FAL (talk) 05:29, 18 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Two songs from Thirteen were specifically written with video game soundtracks in mind The first of these is 'Sudden Death' while the second is 'Never Dead'" - Needs a dot between "mind" and "the first of these".

Done immediately since it was a quick fix--L1A1 FAL (talk) 05:29, 18 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The last sentence of the first paragraph in the Songs section needs a reference.

Info repeated, expanded upon and cited further down in that section already--L1A1 FAL (talk) 17:18, 23 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been archived, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Graham Colm (talk) 06:28, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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