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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by SandyGeorgia 03:08, 21 February 2009 [1].

Symphony No. 1 (Rachmaninoff)[edit]

Nominator(s): OboeCrack (talk)

I think this articles deserves the featured status as it meets the criteria. It gives exhaustive information and has lots of images. The topic is interesting and tries to have a neutral point of view. Its translation it is also in the Spanish FAC.OboeCrack (talk) 20:25, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but taking into account that most of them are translating errors. Otherwise some suggestions are placed in the talk page, if neccesarly. OboeCrack (talk) 21:58, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment It's refreshing to see a classical music article at FAC. I have significant reservations on the prose, though, based on a skim of the lead and the Form section. There are numerous grammatical errors, odd turns of phrase, and the Form section sometimes adopts an inappropriate tone. Was a copyedit undertaken prior to FAC? BuddingJournalist 22:17, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Oppose 1a and copyvio concerns. I was curious about the tone adopted, so I did some hunting on Google books and compared some of the phrases in the article to one of the books used. My suspicions turned out to be correct:
    • "a sense of large-scale form at once acute and well-focused" direct lift from Harrison
    • "In this respect they resemble what Béla Bartók would call "imaginary folk music," which appeared from Bartók's having so completely absorbed the spirit and vocabulary of Eastern European folk song and dance that he sometimes composed in this style without quoting any source material." A few synonymous inserted here and there, but reads almost exactly the same as Harrison.
    • "Official recognition had come with the award of Moscow Conservatory's rarely conferred Great Gold Medal. He had found a publisher early in his career; those of his works he wished to set before the public were quickly printed and just as swiftly performed. He had won the approval and active encouragement of Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky, the most internationally prominent figure in Russian musical life. Given all this, Rachmaninoff may have had every reason to believe that the premiere of the most important work he would have written to date would be a resounding success. Instead he would receive what would literally be the shock of his life." Entire paragraph lifted almost verbatim.
    • These are just random examples. I shudder to think what I might find if I went through the entire article. BuddingJournalist 22:37, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: File:Eugeneormandy.jpg. Images used "by permission" usually are not valid, unless the permission included commercial use and modification. See WP:COPYREQ. An OTRS ticket from the source could clear this up.-Andrew c [talk] 15:26, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The image is removed until there is no permission. OboeCrack (talk) 22:07, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose - This should be withdrawn immediately to address the copyvio problems. I also concur that a thorough copyedit is needed before further consideration is possible. --Laser brain (talk) 15:45, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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