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Sergo Ordzhonikidze[edit]

Nominator(s): Kaiser matias (talk) 18:56, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A leading Bolshevik and once a close friend of Stalin, Sergo Ordzhonikidze was very active in the early years of the Soviet Union. He served a variety of roles, from military commander to economic leader, and eventually fell out of favour with Stalin and shot himself. The article went through GA a while ago, and completed a Peer Review recently, so I'm bringing it here. I will also note that due to the COVID-19 situation I don't have access to many of the sources used, so please take that into consideration; I'll do everything else possible though, of course. Kaiser matias (talk) 18:56, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

  • File:Sergo_Orjonikidze.jpg: which of the criteria from the Russian tag are believed to apply here?
It would be anonymous, as no author is listed. I've also added the appropriate US tag.
What simultaneous publication supports that US tag? Nikkimaria (talk) 21:35, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Wouldn't publication in the journal be sufficient? It was a Soviet-based journal, not US-based, if that matters.
For the Russian tag, yes, but the current US tag states "it was simultaneously published (within 30 days) in the U.S. and in its source country". It would be unusual for a Soviet publication to meet that. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:17, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
(outdent) That's a fair point, and one I should have realised. I modified the tag to one I believe would fit the parameters now. Kaiser matias (talk) 16:10, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • File:Ghoresha_Orjonikidze_House.jpg: since Georgia does not have freedom of panorama this should include a tag for the original building
Not sure what type of tag should be used here. Any suggestions?
It would be PD due to copyright expiration in both Georgia and the US, since it was (presumably?) built before 1925. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:35, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Added a US tag, as the house itself predates 1923.
  • File:Orjonikidze_telegram_1921._National_Archives_of_Georgia.jpg needs a US PD tag
Done
If this was sent by the subject, why is the author listed as unknown? Is there some doubt as to its authorship? Nikkimaria (talk) 01:16, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • File:14th_Conference_of_the_All-Union_Communist_Party_(Bolsheviks).jpg needs a tag for status in source country
Done
What simultaneous publication supports that US tag? Nikkimaria (talk) 21:35, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
As noted above, if the journal is based in the Soviet Union, not the US, would that still qualify?
As above, simultaneous US publication of a Soviet work would be highly unusual. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:16, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Made the change. Kaiser matias (talk) 15:32, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • File:Stalin_Full_Image.jpg: when did this enter the public domain in Russia?
I don't have anymore information aside from what is noted in the description. If it isn't enough I can remove it, not that key to the article
  • File:Stakhanov.JPG: the tagging here seems contradictory. The use of the Russian tag appears to be based on the assumption that it was published at some unknown time prior to its transfer to the US govt. But then there's a US tag asserting that it was published simultaneously in the US. What is the date of that simultaneous publication?
That I can't clarify right now. I would believe it would have been published in contemporary (meaning 1935) newspapers in either the USSR or US, but can't access anything with the lockdown. As a result I'll take it off for now, and if I get a chance to clarify it's status will restore.
  • File:Yury_Pyatakov.jpg: the Commons page on Ukrainian copyright asserts that anonymous works enter the public domain at 70 years after release. The stated publication date of 1937 would put that after the URAA date. Is there an earlier known publication? Nikkimaria (talk) 17:57, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Not that I'm aware of, but again restricted in my searches at the moment. If the tag is problematic I'll also remove this if need be. Kaiser matias (talk) 16:26, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes please. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:35, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Added some follow up comments. Kaiser matias (talk) 17:58, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Dudley[edit]

  • "Sergo Konstantinovich Ordzhonikidze,[a] born Grigol". This is unclear. Was he born Sergo Konstantinovich Grigol or Grigol Ordzhonikidze or what?
Clarified.
  • Caucasus should be linked.
  • In the first paragraph of 'Youth', it is confusing to refer to him by his surname and his father by his forename as the were both Ordzhonikidzes. It would be better to use his first name here.
I'm hesitant to do that as he is referred throughout the article by his surname, and his father is specifically referred to by his first name here to avoid such confusion. And seeing how Ordzhonikidze changed his name (though it's unclear when; see below) I feel that would only cause further confusion later on.
I do not think that works in a section where everyone is called Ordzhonikidze. I am not sure of the best solution, but how about moving the note on the change of name to the main text her as "Grigol Ordzhonikidze (he changed his name to Sergo Ordzhonikidze as a revolutionary) was born in 1886", and thereafter in this section referring to him as Grigol Ordzhonikidze. Dudley Miles (talk) 09:37, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That may work. I've made the relevant changes.
  • "Granted bail, he fled briefly to Germany to avoid trial, though soon returned to work in Baku." This is ungrammatical. Maybe "but he soon returned". Also you say returned to work in Baku this is the first time you have mentioned the town. Did he work there before?
Clarified
  • "He may also have been involved in the assassination of Ilia Chavchavadze on 12 September 1907, but there is no conclusive evidence to back this assertion." A few words of description such as "the Georgian nationalist writer Ilia Chavchavadze" would be helpful. Also I would delete the words after "1907" as they are implied by "may also have been involved"
Done
  • "At this meeting the Bolsheviks, the majority faction of the RSDLP and led by Lenin, confirmed themselves to be a distinct party; while they had nominally split from the RSDLP back in 1903, they formally remained part of it until the Prague Conference." This is unclear. Did the Bolsheviks split from the RSDLP even though they were the majority and what is the distinction between "nominally" and "formally" in this context?
It is a confusing situation, I'll admit. I've tried to clarify it a bit, but if you think more is needed just let me know.
  • "Ordzhonikidze was elected to the Central Committee" Central Committee of what? You have just implied that the Bolsheviks had split from the RSDLP.
Clarified
  • "Baku was occupied by the Bolsheviks by 23:00 that night." You say above that Baku was already under their control.
Clarified. It was more an allied group, affiliated with the invading force.
  • "which was clear downgrade in status and prestige." This is ungrammatical. Maybe "which would have been a downgrade in status and prestige."
Fixed
  • You do not explain why or when he changed his name.
That's because there is no information on that. As noted in note "b" he adopted it as a revolutionary, but sources don't say anything more than that. If I had a precise date, or even an idea of when I would definitely add it.
Addressed everything above. Kaiser matias (talk) 17:34, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Further comments
  • "Ordzhonikidze played an important role in the Soviet economy". This does not sound right. Maybe "Ordzhonikidze played an important role in directing the Soviet economy"
Done
  • "That details of Ordzhonikidze's death were not widely discussed within the Soviet Union until Nikita Khrushchev gave his "Secret Speech" criticizing Stalinism in 1956 also helped keep rumours of a targeted killing alive." This sentence is difficult to follow. Maybe "Details of Ordzhonikidze's death were not widely discussed within the Soviet Union until Nikita Khrushchev gave his "Secret Speech" criticizing Stalinism in 1956, and this also helped keep rumours of a targeted killing alive."
Done
  • "Ordzhonikidze was known as a difficult commander". A "difficult commander " sounds odd. Maybe "Ordzhonikidze was regarded as a difficult man to deal with".
Done
  • "propensity for forming personal alliance networks" This is normal in politics and other fields.
This is true, so I clarified what the quote was about.
  • This is an interesting article, but the language is sometimes awkward. I have made some copy edits. Change any you are not happy with. Dudley Miles (talk) 09:37, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for going through it. Genuine question: what exactly do you find "awkward"? I'm always interested in improving my own writing, so feedback is certainly welcome. Kaiser matias (talk) 19:33, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Looks good now. Regarding the "awkward" language, I can only refer you to the queries I have raised above and the edits I made. Dudley Miles (talk) 11:21, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
All good. Again, thanks for taking the time to go through it. Kaiser matias (talk) 14:35, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Carabinieri[edit]

Hi, interesting article, I'll be posting my comments here. This is on the "Early life" section, will get back with the rest of the article.

  • I think there is a bit of overlinking in the article. I wouldn't link Georgians, country names, corn, manganese, backgammon, Persia, Baku, Paris, Tiflis,.
I removed the countries, and larger cities as noted here. Kept some of the smaller places that I don't expect people to know, but if I missed any please let me know.
  • "he had an brother, Papulia" missing word?
Fixed.
  • "was a member of a small, impoverished Georgian noble family" I wasn't sure what small meant here. Lower-ranking? Or just few family members?
It's more a synonym of impoverished, and thus redundent, so I removed it.
  • I wasn't sure why all the details about his father's second marriage are important. I would suggest: "Unable to take care of his son, Konstantine sent Grigol to live with aunt and uncle, David and Eka Ordzhonikidze, who also lived in Ghoresha. Konstantine would later re-marry and have three more children. Grigol grew..."
It's included for two reasons: I find it useful to include the names of his siblings (and their birthdates, if available), and as his younger brother Konstantine was later arrested, I wanted to note who he was. However I'll modify it to what you noted, and add a footnote with that information, perhaps that would work?
  • A little more context might be useful at the end of the Youth and the start of the Bolsheviks section. When did he complete school, work as an orderly, etc.? When did he move to Baku?
Unfortunately none of that is listed. Khlevniuk, who wrote the only modern biography of him, has nothing more than what is included here. The works by Ordzhonikidze's wife and Dubinskiy-Mukhadze may include something, but unfortunately I can't access either right now, and even so I don't know if they note that either, or else I feel I would have included it (though of course I may be mistaken). I definitely would like to include more if possible though.
  • "By 1905 he was given more dangerous assignments and was arrested for the first time in December 1905 for transporting arms, spending several months in prison" The end is somewhat grammatically ambiguous. I'd suggest: "By 1905 he was given more dangerous assignments. He was arrested for the first time in December 1905 for transporting arms and spent several months in prison"
Done
  • "While imprisoned, Ordzhonikidze shared a cell with a fellow Georgian revolutionary, Ioseb Jughashvili, who would later adopt the name Joseph Stalin. " Stalin is linked twice.
Fixed
  • "At this meeting the Bolsheviks, the majority faction of the RSDLP and led by Lenin, confirmed themselves to be a distinct party and established themselves as a separate party" The "and led by Lenin" sounds awkward to me. The end is repetitive.
Moved the mention of Lenin leading the Bolsheviks to the first mention of his name. It is an important part to note, as that is arguably the defining trait of Lenin
Done.
  • "He also was interested in statistics relating to the Russian economy, especially detailing the production of food and agriculture, as well as the works of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels." Maybe: "...statistics relating to the Russian economy, especially details regarding the production..."?
Done
  • "historian Oleg Khlevniuk has noted that "he joined the Petrograd Bolshevik Committee, often addressed rallies, and carried out party work at the city's largest factories"" is there any need for the quote, couldn't this be paraphrased?
I've re-worded it.
  • In the Bolsheviks section, I might have been interested in reading more about his political views. What drew him to the Bolsheviks? What were his views about the political controversies in Russian socialism and the Bolshevik party? Do the sources say anything about that?--Carabinieri (talk) 23:53, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
As noted above, there isn't anything I found about this that I found. It's unfortunately a reality of the topic that this isn't covered in great detail, especially the earlier years of activist lives.
Thanks for the review. I've addressed everything above. Any other comments please let me know. Kaiser matias (talk) 16:18, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your replies. Sorry, I'm so slow right now. It's because of work stuff. I did a little copyediting, but if you disagree with anything feel free to revert. Here are my comments on the next sections:

  • "The outbreak of the Russian Civil War in 1917 saw Ordzhonikidze appointed as the Bolsheviks' Commissar of Ukraine, South Russia, and the North Caucasus" It appears that this position was a military role. Maybe you could briefly describe what it was, like how many troops he as commanding and so on? I mean, if the sources have any information on this.
Unfortunately I haven't found anything that gives details like that, at least nothing that I've come across.
  • "both the North, which was nominally under Bolshevik control, and the South Caucasus, comprising the independent states of Armenia, Azerbaijan, and Georgia" this is mentioned again in the following section, which I think is the more natural place for it. Maybe just "...under Bolshevik control, and the South Caucasus)"?
Done
  • "Owing to his years of service as an organizer and theorist Makharadze was well-respected among the Georgian Bolsheviks, while Mdviani was a strong proponent of Georgian national sentiment, which was not as popular" Does this mean unpopular among Georgian Bolshveviks? Or unpopular in Georgia in general?
Clarified
  • "This led to a clash between the two parties" What two parties is this referring to exactly? Makharadze and Mdviani? Ordzhonikidze on one side and the locals on the other?
I re-worded it, hopefully that makes it clearer.
  • "Khlevniuk speculated that Ordzhonikidze ..." Is Khlevniuk a historian or someone directly involved? Maybe briefly say who he was?
Done
  • I'm never quite sure how British English works, but the article currently uses "organise", "Recognised", "authorised", etc., but also "organized", "revitalized", "familiarize" and so on.
That's what happens when a Canadian tries to use British English without the training in it. I've went back to US spellings to keep consistency.
Added a note to clarify that.
  • I think several quotes in the "Rabkrin and Control Commission" section could easily be paraphrased and probably should be.--
Removed some of the quotes and paraphrased them.

Carabinieri (talk) 12:17, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Carabinieri: Thanks for the additional comments. I currently have limited access so I may not be be able to address things here for a couple days. I hope the FAC coordinators will allow that to happen, and once I can I'll be sure to get this done. Kaiser matias (talk) 16:15, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No worries, I hope the coordinators will understand that under present conditions many people have limited access to libraries and therefore sources. I'll continue adding my comments as I find the time, but take as much time as you need to reply.--Carabinieri (talk) 17:21, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Carabinieri: Apologies again for the delay, took longer getting home than I expected. I addressed things above, hopefully it looks good. Kaiser matias (talk) 16:02, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. Just two more things:

  • "Early in Ordzhonikidze's tenure at the NKTP saw the downfall of Vissarion Lominadze, a fellow Georgian and an ally of Ordzhonikidze" That sentence is a little strange. It needs a subject. I couldn't quite figure out how to change it.
I re-worded it, but still feel it could be improved. If you have any idea I'll be happy to further work on it.
  • Some made this change to the lead. This doesn't match the information in the body. Is there anything to it?--Carabinieri (talk) 22:39, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That looks good, and adding the qualifiers is a smart choice, thanks. Kaiser matias (talk) 16:17, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Carabinieri: Just wanted to check if you have anything else to add? Kaiser matias (talk) 18:07, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the delay (and thanks for the reminder). My concern about that change to the lead is that it's a little ambiguous about what is contested. The fact that Ordzhonikidze shot himself? That this was a result of his deteriorating relationship with Stalin?

I changed it a bit to clarify it was the shooting itself that is contested.

On a different note, I've checked a few of the sources and I think I found a few issues, but please correct me if I'm misreading any of them:

  • "At this meeting the Bolsheviks, the majority faction..." is referenced to Swain 1983, pp. 136-139. I think there's something wrong with those page numbers. Maybe this is a result of different editions of the book. The edition I'm looking at discusses Longjumeau, the Russian Organising Commission, and plans for the Prague conference, but not the conference itself.
I unfortunately don't have a copy of the book available, but do have a different source that is more concise, so replaced that.
  • "From the formation of the TSFSR until 1926, Ordzhonikidze would serve as its First Secretary, the leader of the state" Fitzpatrick doesn't discuss this at all.
I took a look, and Fitzpatrick does say: "Ordzhonikidze, a Georgian, had previously been First Secretary of the Transcaucasus party organisation." I'll grant that doesn't give dates, so reworded it and added a citation from Knight ("Ordzhonikidze, who became secretary of the Kavburo in 1920 and later secretary of the Transcaucasian Regional Party Committee (Zakkraikom). This should hopefully confirm things.
I actually overlooked that. Thanks.--Carabinieri (talk) 16:52, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Lenin, in particular, favoured a peaceful approach, noting the considerable strength of the Mensheviks within Georgia and the Bolsheviks' weak position" Smith's account seems to be slightly different. According to him, those in favor of an invasion of Georgia (Stalin and Trotsky) pointed to the Bolsheviks' weakness in Georgia as a reason to invade, since there was little hope that the locals could topple the Mensheviks on their own.
Reworded it to make the position clearer.
  • "Ordzhonikidze and Stalin, both natives of Georgia, were concerned about the nationalism displayed by the remaining Georgian Mensheviks (most had left in 1921), who were initially allowed to work with the Bolsheviks. They considered Georgian nationalism as serious a threat as Great Russian chauvinism, in that both variants dominated over ethnic minorities within their regions (Georgia over the Abkhazians and Ossetians, Russia over several ethnic groups)" Smith doesn't seem to be saying this about Stalin, only about Ordzhonikidze.--Carabinieri (talk) 22:35, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Added an additional citation (Martin) that makes clear Stalin felt the same way. Kaiser matias (talk) 01:40, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your responses and changes. I've double-checked a few more citations and they all looked good. I'm now happy to support.--Carabinieri (talk) 16:52, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Kober[edit]

Hi there. A well-researched article on a controversial person. The biography is written quite evenhandedly. I'm adding my five cents to the review process.

  1. Youth subsection: "Konstantine sent Grigol to live with aunt and uncle, David and Eka Ordzhonikidze." — Please reorder the words; David was an uncle and Eka was an aunt.
    Done.
  2. Bolsheviks subsection: I think it would be useful to mention that all these 1905-07 assignments and arrests took place in the context of the Russian Revolution of 1905.
    Made a note of it.
  3. Bolsheviks subsection: "In September 1916, while exiled in Yakutsk, Ordzhonikdze met his wife Zinaida." — Would-be wife? The following sentence actually says that they married in 1917.
    Clarified it was his "future wife".
  4. Bolsheviks subsection: "Ordzhonikidze was still in Yakutsk when news of the February Revolution reached him. He quickly left for Petrograd (as Saint Petersburg had been named since 1914), reaching there by the end of May." — Please mention that the February Revolution occurred in 1917.
    Done.
  5. Russian Civil War: "Ordzhonikidze also organized meetings with the local Chechen and Ingush population and urged them to join, arguing that the soviet (council) system was not unlike that used by the Chechens." — I think it would be helpful to clarify this by adding "unlike the system traditionally used by the Chechens" or something along this line.
    I added some clarity that it was similar to the Islamic system favored there, which is what the Marshall text says. Hopefully that should make it better, but if you think it needs more let me know.
  6. Russian Civil War: "By late 1918 Ordzhonikidze effectively controlled every Bolshevik organ." — The word "organ" in Russian political vocabulary has two meanings: a party or governmental organization or the main periodical associated with a particular group. Admittedly, I'm not a native English-speaker, but I think it would be more natural to translate this into English as "a body".
    This is true, and changing to "body" doesn't lose any meaning, so doen.
  7. Russian Civil War: "With vast deposits of oil in the region around Baku, it was of vital importance to the Bolsheviks that they [...] the area. " — A missing word?
    Indeed, is fixed now.
  8. Russian Civil War: "After Ordzhonikidze consolidated control in the North Caucasus, Lenin him issued an order on 17 March 1920 to prepare for an invasion of Azerbaijan." — Please rectify the word order.
    Done.
  9. Georgian Affair: "Ordzhonikidze and Stalin, both natives of Georgia, were concerned about the nationalism displayed by the Georgian Mensheviks, who were initially allowed to work with the Bolsheviks." — I think adding the qualifier "remaining" to the "Georgian Mensheviks" would be helpful as their leadership had left Georgia after the 1921 invasion.
    Done.
  10. Stakhanovite movement: "On 6 September Stakhanov's record was made a front-page story in Pravda, alongside fellow minors who had also set new records in the meantime. " — Please correct the typo: minors --> miners.
    Fixed.

Thanks for your contributions. Keep it up! --KoberTalk 16:30, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I accidentally introduced the errors in 7 and 8 and have now fixed them.--Carabinieri (talk) 21:01, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Kober: Thanks for looking it over. Always nice to have someone familiar with the topic give it a review, and appreciate your help. Have addressed everything above, but if you think anymore is needed just let me know. Kaiser matias (talk) 16:11, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Good job. --KoberTalk 19:51, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Kober, can I ask if you feel the article is ready to be promoted to Featured Article status, or if you feel more work is needed? Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 09:15, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi there. I looked through the article again. I believe Kaiser has done a tremendous job writing a good prose and fixing all the issues. So I think the article is ready to be promoted to FA.--KoberTalk 15:15, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Coord note[edit]

Two months open but if the latest comments can be resolved pronto I'm prepared to give it a bit longer. I don't think we've had a source review for reliability and formatting so pls seek that too ASAP. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 04:55, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Source review – pass[edit]

  • The prose says that Zinaida "published a memoir of Ordzhonikidze's life that was first released in 1956". The year given in the source is 1967, with no original year included: assuming that this is the same memoir, it would be good to use the |origyear= parameter for clarity.
  • Add a JSTOR link (4209080) for "Bursa, G. R. F. (April 1985)".
  • No OCLC for "Dubinskiy-Mukhadze, I. (1963)"? (I know there isn't always for foreign-language sources.)
Unfortunately I haven't been able to find anything like that, despite efforts to do so.
  • Add a DOI (10.2307/2496711) for "Fitzpatrick, Sheila (September 1979)".
  • Add an OCLC (459737452) for "Kazemzadeh, Firuz (1951)".
  • Is this an online link for "Kvashonkin, Aleksandr V. (January–June 1997)"? If so, please provide it, to aid verification.
  • "Marshall, Alex (2010)" only lists "Abington" as the location, whereas other sources provide a Town/City and a State/County, except for major cities.
  • Is there an OCLC for "Ordzhonikidze, Z. (1967)"?
Again I've not been able to find anything like that.
  • And for "Pipes, Richard (1964)"?
I'm not familiar with the OCLC system, so am not really sure how to do searches for it. But I did find the LCCN number for the specific book, so added that. If more is needed let me know
  • "Rees, E. A. (1987)" lists "New York City, New York", but elsewhere, this has just been "New York City".
  • "Reiber, Alfred J. (2015)" needs to disambiguate "Cambridge" for the location, given that "Cambridge, Massachusetts" has also been used. Same for "Schlögel, Karl (2012)", "Siegelbaum, Lewis H. (1988)" and "Swietochowski, Tadeusz (1985)".
  • Did you access any of the book sources through Google Books? If so, please provide links for verification.
I only used hard copies, no Google Books.
@Harrias: Addressed everything here, with notes on a couple things that needed addressing. Thanks for going through it, and will be ready for further comments. Kaiser matias (talk) 16:38, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Most of the sources are offline or paywalled, which is no problem. Spot checks on those sources I have access to reveal no copyvio or close para-phrasing concerns, and the article accurately interprets those sources.
  • The only further query I have is whether the content in Soviet History, 1917–53 is worthy of inclusion. Francesco Benvenuti wrote a chapter, "A Stalinist Victim of Stalinism: 'Sergo' Ordzhonikidze", which is accessible on Google Books. Harrias talk 10:06, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for finding that. It does look like it has a couple things that could be used (I have incorporated a couple into the early life section), but I'm only able to get the first few pages (I'm in Canada if that impacts their preview ability). That said I will order a copy of it from the local library as soon as possible, but I don't think that will be any time soon unfortunately. Kaiser matias (talk) 15:55, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No worries. Skimming through what I can see (limited, but a bit more than your three pages!) I am happy that the article doesn't seem to be omitting anything major, so I will mark the source review as "passed". Harrias talk 16:37, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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