Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Nancy Reagan

The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted 03:02, 26 November 2007.

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Nancy Reagan

previous FAC

Self nomination: After barely failing the previous nomination, this article has undergone a very thorough copyedit. It meets all the FA criteria, abides by the MOS, and is very well cited. There was an issue in the last nomination about reffering to Mrs. Reagan as "Nancy"; the consensus decided to ignore that MOS guideline per WP:IAR as to eliminate any possible confusion between she and her husband, and to avoid the poor writing style typing out "Ronald Reagan" whenever the article mentions his name. Overall, this GA is FA fit. Thanks, Happyme22 (talk) 03:55, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

• Support Comment — As a secondary issue, I'm genuinely sorry to raise this but I see the what-to-call-her problem remains. In the article, she's variously called Nancy Davis, Davis, Nancy Reagan, Reagan and Nancy, sometimes in consecutive sentences. I followed the arguments closely on this during the last FAC and while I fully agree that calling her "Nancy" does seem too cosy, it has the overwhelming advantage of clarity. I'll raise this also on the appropriate MoS talk page as the guideline isn't entirely fit for purpose. --ROGER DAVIES ^talk 08:43, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Raised here, with a view to amending the guideline. In the meantime, I support the promotion of this article. --ROGER DAVIES ^talk 12:38, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I've commented at your link, and thanks for the support. Happyme22 (talk) 06:06, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

For information, I've now drafted a proposal and also mentioned it in WP:Biography here All comments welcome.--ROGER DAVIES ^talk 15:28, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

• Support - I don't think there's an easy way out of the name business but the warmth of the writing for mine makes for good prose in this sense without coming over too POV. I played with this article before and I feel it fulfils criteria. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:29, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Happyme22 (talk) 06:06, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

• Comment Support: 'unofficial "protector"' needs a ref. The image crowding in First Lady section creates a void space in the prose.--Redtigerxyz 14:57, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

I will work on that later tonight. Happyme22 (talk) 14:58, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

 Done - I have improved the images in the FL section, as well as added a cite. Happyme22 (talk) 00:36, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

ref needed for mention of name of "Joan Quigley" specifically as the astrologer who advised the First Lady and Donald reagen's frustation. Assuming that will be done, Supporting as rest of the article is great and worth FA. --Redtigerxyz 06:15, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, and I've fixed the cite problem. Happyme22 (talk) 15:08, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

• Support for a third and hopefully final time! All previous queries and problems raised in the last FACS with style, references, wording etc have been answered and responded to by Happyme22. Looking through the article again I see it is well referenced and meets FA criteria and am happy to endorse its FA status. Just one small comment - recommend that the image caption - The Reagan family, 1967 be expanded? Good work! LordHarris 17:27, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks LordHarris! I've slightly expanded the caption as well. Happyme22 (talk) 00:36, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

• Support. I'm not exactly objective, since I contributed heavily to the first few sections of the article during the last FAC, and I don't pretend to have a full handle on what an FA biography should be, but I think this article meets a reasonable bar. Wasted Time R 04:19, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, you have helped a lot, and I thank you Wasted Time R. Happyme22 (talk) 04:32, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

• Support Oppose for now. Overall an exceptional article, but some points appear, in my cursory review, to be unsupported by citations:

• "Once she had approved, she contributed to his campaign by overseeing personnel, monitoring her husband's schedule, and occasionally providing press conferences";

 Done Happyme22 (talk) 03:45, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

• "The new china, White House renovations, expensive clothing, and her attendance at the royal wedding of Prince Charles and Princess Diana gave her an aura of being "out of touch" with the American people";

 Done - The new china and renovations are already cited, and I've just cited her attendance at the wedding. Happyme22 (talk) 03:59, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

• "When Reagan was released from the hospital on April 12, she escorted him back to the White House"

Although after looking I cannot find a source that directly states this, but it's implied by this photo with Nancy and daughter Patti escorting the president out of the hospital (see caption on this page). Happyme22 (talk) 03:52, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

• "In 1985, Nancy expanded the campaign to an international level by inviting the First Ladies of various nations to the White House for a conference on drug abuse."

 Done Happyme22 (talk) 03:25, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

• "Critics of the "Just Say No" campaign and the American "War on Drugs" argued that the program was too costly and questioned its purpose";

 Done Happyme22 (talk) 03:20, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

• "and in a 1985 rock music video, "Stop the Madness";

I can't find a reliable sources that states this; there are websites from google that say she was in this rock video, and you can see her in the video itself (where she's also reconized in the credits), but you cannot cite youtube and there's nothing more besides the video. Happyme22 (talk) 03:52, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

You can always cite the rock video itself. Nothing wrong with that. Just so long as her presence in the video is verifiable, which it sounds like it is. COGDEN 04:48, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

• "Upon leaving the White House, the couple returned to California, where they purchased a second home in the Bel Air section of Los Angeles, dividing their time between Bel Air and the Reagan Ranch in Santa Barbara, California. After leaving Washington, Nancy Reagan made numerous public appearances, many on behalf of her husband.";

I've cited the Reagans buying their home (even though other people paid for it originally, Ronald Reagan paid it all off - see the cite), but it doesn't completely take care of the traveling so I'll look through her autobiography. And the one about her making appearances on behalf of the president is a well known fact, because Reagan was diagnosed with Alzheimer's and rarely made appearances. Happyme22 (talk) 03:42, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

• "She continues to present the Ronald Reagan Freedom Award to a notable person who "embodies President Reagan's lifelong belief that one man or woman truly can make a difference.";

 Done Happyme22 (talk) 02:40, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

• "On May 3 of the same year, Reagan hosted and attended the first 2008 Republican Presidential Candidates Debate at the Reagan Presidential Library. While she did not participate in the discussions, she sat in the front row and listened as the men vying to become the nation's 44th president claimed to be a rightful successor to her husband, the 40th."

 Done Happyme22 (talk) 02:30, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Citations should either be added for these points, or it should be demonstrated that a citation isn't needed.

Also a WP:MOS nitpick: Should use consistent logical quotations. COGDEN 02:14, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

 Done Happyme22 (talk) 01:51, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

I'll get working on them right now. Thanks for the help, Happyme22 (talk) 02:21, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

I've addressed all of your concerns. If you have any questions or further comments please feel free to post them; if not, would you consider supporting? Happyme22 (talk) 01:51, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

• Support, I have done some MOS and ref cleanup work on the article in the past. It's ready for featured status now; many editors have been through it, and it has received a careful copyedit. Nice work. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:37, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Sandy! Happyme22 (talk) 01:27, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

• Support, per others. --RandomOrca2 (talk) 22:55, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! Happyme22 (talk) 23:33, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.