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The article was promoted by Gog the Mild via FACBot (talk) 9 December 2021 [1].

Kererū[edit]

Nominator(s): Ambrosia10, Marshelec & Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:10, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This chonky borb I brought to GA in 2007 but then forgot about it...has then had a very thorough GA review to the point where I reckon it is within striking distance of FA-hood. Thanks to Mover of molehills for going over it with a fine tooth comb. Have at it folks. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:10, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Aa77zz[edit]

  • consider glossing taonga in the lead - as well as linking - this is a specialized word
I will defer to @Ambrosia10 and Giantflightlessbirds: over the exact best translation as they are locals...otherwise I'll do some reading and guess... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 06:21, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Complex, commonly translated as "treasure," māori dictionary says: "Treasure, anything prized - applied to anything considered to be of value including socially or culturally valuable objects, resources, phenomenon, ideas and techniques." Dracophyllum 06:37, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reference 7 - James 1995 - this is a MSc thesis which I haven't found online. This isn't acceptable as a source - better sources are available.
replaced (was harder than I thought!) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:35, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reference 39 - Dijkgraaf 2002 - this is a PhD thesis. This isn't ideal as a source - is the information available elsewhere? Important results from a PhD thesis are usually later published in refereed journals. PhD theses are not refereed and are often difficult to access.
in process of reading - HANZAB has a huge dump of plant species which is possibly not helpful to include. I have found this which is mentioned in other papers. Will add tomorrow as I need to sleep now Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:17, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
ok added the field guide as a good summary of fruits preferred. The Kelly paper seems to challenge the thesis anyway so have dispensed with it Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:30, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The article in HANZAB (1996) is available online from New Zealand Birds Online here. Perhaps this can be used to replace the poor references above.
Took me a while to find the link on that one....but now we're in business... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:35, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • NZ birds also has the relevant pages of: Heather, B.D.; Robertson, H.A. 2005. The Field Guide to the Birds of New Zealand. Viking, Auckland
added fruit eaten Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:32, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • A cladogram would be useful. Why is the cladogram on the talk page not included in the article?
laziness. added now Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:01, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Distribution and habitat

  • mention local movements - see HANZAB p. 1018, Clout et al 1991 and possibly Powlesland et al 2011 here
added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:03, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Breeding

  • mention that both parents build nest
added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:42, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • how large and what colour is the egg?
added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:42, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • mention that clutches can overlap - incubating on one nest while feeding a chick on another
added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:06, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • at what age do they start breeding?
HANZAB says unknown Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:06, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • how long do the birds live?
added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:55, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thorsen et al 2004 "Parental care and growth rates of New Zealand pigeon (Hemiphaga novaeseelandiae) nestlings" might have useful info. available here
added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:27, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

More later - Aa77zz (talk) 14:37, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Ref 12 (Falla et al 1979), Ref 16 (Ward 2019), Ref 26 (Robertson & Heather 2017) - the titles of these three references link to the entry at WorldCat. I expect a title link to take me to an open-access version of the article/book. Note that the OCLC number already links to WorldCat.
delinked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:30, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

- Aa77zz (talk) 16:28, 15 October 2021 (UTC) Lead[reply]

  • "It is the only remaining New Zealand bird capable of swallowing large fruit..." Not in body of article - needs source.
removed - forgot about lead. that was in body but cited to a thesis and actually challenged by subsequent fieldwork so not strictly true. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:52, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Breeding

  • consider mentioning that these pigeons are monogamous and the pairs remain together when not breeding - the pair-bond probably lasts from one breeding season to the next.(HANZAB))
added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:54, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

  • Ref 45 Cousins 2010 - a Master's Thesis that should be replaced.
replaced Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:06, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 73 Renganathan 2004 - a Master's Thesis that should be replaced.
removed sentence Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:12, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 78 "Supplementary information for subsistence practices, ..." - needs authors
added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:06, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Refs 21, 22, 23, 61, 67, 79, 84, 86 and 88 are all cites to the website "Stuff". Why is this a reliable source?
It is a website, Stuff, owned by Stuff (company) (previously Fairfax media) so has a reliable publishing pedigree Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:18, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

- Aa77zz (talk) 09:43, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

  • The lead is unbalanced - it mostly covers the conservation and the relationship to humans: it contains very little on the behaviour of the bird itself.
breeding and some measurements added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:25, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Figure captions

duly captioned Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:55, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Diet

  • Ref 35 - Bell (1996) - the specific name is misspelled. The page number should be 37 rather than 87. It is a single page - available here. I suggest deleting this reference - there are 3 other cites to support the short text "The kererū feeds on many species with tropical affinities, including the Lauraceae and Arecaceae".
ref removed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:12, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In Māori culture

  • Possibly mention: Walter Buller in his A History of the Birds of New Zealand published in 1888 mentions that large numbers of birds (8000) were snared near Lake Taupō and preserved in their own fat. See: Buller, Walter (1888). A History of the Birds of New Zealand. Vol. 1 (2nd ed.). London: Buller. p. 234.
added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:50, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 49 - Best 1977 - this is a reprint of a book by Elsdon Best (1856-1931) that was published posthumously in 1942. (need author-link=Elsdon Best and orig-date=1942)
added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:35, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

- Aa77zz (talk) 11:27, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Formatting references - rather than listing changes here I've edited the article myself.

Support - thanks for all your good work. -Aa77zz (talk) 14:47, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

thx for the thorough review - article is better for it. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:03, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Image review[edit]

  • What is the purpose of including an image gallery?
Wasn't me who added. Removed. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:59, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Suggest adding alt text
mostly done but group image template proving difficult and not sure about movie clips Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:12, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • File:Hemiphaga_novaeseelandiae_spadicea.png needs a US tag, and what's the author's date of death?
added US tag - he died in 1912 Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:09, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • File:The_Great_Kererū_Count_2021.jpg: why is this believed to be CC? The source site has an "all rights reserved" notice
Removed. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:14, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • File:Keulemans,_John_Gerrard_1842-1912_-New_Zealand_pigeon._Carpophaga_Novae_Zealandiae._(one-half_natural_size)._-_J._G._Keulemans_delt._and_lith._(Plate_XXIV._1888)._(21014153784).jpg: can more specific tagging be added? Nikkimaria (talk) 23:40, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
you mean adding the US tag? done. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:09, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Stuartyeates[edit]

  • Remove the image gallery unless those images actually add something to the article.
Removed. Am contemplating adding an image of bird with extended wings to body of text but article is pretty image-heavy as is and not sure it trumps any of the other images alreayd there Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:59, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Suggest changing "Spelling Māori loanwords with macrons—that indicate a long vowel—is now common in New Zealand English." to "Spelling Māori loanwords with macrons—that indicate a long vowel—is now common in New Zealand English, where technically possible." The change is already supported by the references.
done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:01, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • It would be great to get an image of a korowai with Kererū feathers, but all of the instututions I checked didn't do CC.
yeah that would be good.....sigh Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:52, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

- Stuartyeates (talk) 03:12, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Funk[edit]

  • I'll have a look soon. Should Norfolk pigeon be merged into here, as is usually the rule for subspecies with short articles? FunkMonk (talk) 16:35, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
was sort of distinctive subspecies. Will look at content of both. Have incorporated the date and cause of extinction, and differences in plumage as the salient points. A merge discussion can take place later (given the distinctiveness there is a case for a separate article which is best discussed in a structured format) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:29, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are some duplinks (not counting those in the cladogram).
removed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:21, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The alt text has replaced the caption in the second image.
fixed now I think....? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:28, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The video thumbnails seem a bit uninteresting, you can pick a specific frame with the parameter I've used at for example thylacine in the video under description.
done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:28, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I see the article is a bit crammed, but always good to show the egg[2] when we can?
what would you propose removing...? This is tough.... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:28, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I saw you ha a double image with the juvenile and the video before, perhaps make it with the egg instead? FunkMonk (talk) 05:33, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
egg added now (removed 2nd kuelemans lithograph) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:13, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Bold its name in the cladogram?
done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:42, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree there could be a photo showing spread wings, but as you say, the article is a bit crammed. Perhaps under distribution?
see above Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:28, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
looking but not sure - original name combination to be for wompoo pigeon but not listed as junior synonym for Ptilinopus, which I think it is - need a source. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:18, 21 October 2021 (UTC)Reworded now - Megaloprepia is Ptilinopus, still looking for where Carpophaga should go..I think Ducula but I can't find any references (!) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:09, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "with the end of the genus name Carpophaga introduced by English naturalist Prideaux John Selby in 1835" This is a bit confusing, as it reds as if Selby used the name for this species, so you should specify if it was for another.
have reworded this Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:51, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Link Columba?
You mean one of the ones in the binomial names? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:18, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Either that or somehow work it in like "was first placed in the genus Columba as C. novaeseelandiae" or similar? FunkMonk (talk) 22:36, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 06:13, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The extinct Norfolk pigeon (H. n. spadicea)" Could specify subspecies for clarity.
done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:18, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The kererū is a large arboreal pigeon weighing 550–850 g (19–30 oz),[25] and can be" That can be? Not sure, but seems incongruent now.
tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:18, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Details on the extinct Norfolk Island subspecies are scant" But does this apply to its plumage, considering many specimens are preserved?
the original wording was the ssp. was "poorly known" - but you are right it is misleading as is. Will move that elsewhere Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:30, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Kererū make occasional soft coo sounds (hence the onomatopoeic names)" I think it should already have been stated the name is onomatopoeic when you discussed the common names then.
I didn't add that source so just removed it. I haven't seen that written elsewhere so will look Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:53, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Kererū remains have been recovered" Specify if these are fossils.
just changed to "bones" as simpler Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:20, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Although sedentary, kererū move can move" Double move.
move removed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:53, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "travelled up to 100 km." Convert?
done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:42, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think one of these photos[3][4] of fighting individuals would add more to the article than the low quality feeding video, and it would work to both show the wings spread and behaviour.
Agreed Dracophyllum 05:40, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I agree too - and changed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:46, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "kererū are able raise" Able to?
done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:33, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mention the word subspecies in the caption of the image showing the extinct one?
done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:33, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "They are only restricted by moulting" How does this restrict them?
I think because of energy requirements and ability to forage for young, but not clarified in this source. reworded to "They do not breed when moulting" Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:51, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • You give scientific names for plant species, but not animal species mentioned.
This seems to be the last unanswered point. FunkMonk (talk) 18:29, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
oops - on it... think I got 'em all... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:45, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "On Norfolk Island, the subspecies was last seen in 1900" Add "the local subspecies" for clarity?
done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:33, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • " The reason for the kererū's iridescent green-blue and white plumage is because" Add "according to this legend"?
added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:36, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "New Zealand pigeon: A History of the Birds of New Zealand, Buller, 1888" Link Buller?
done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:33, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "along with moa, extinct New Zealand quail" Since both are extinct, perhaps say "along with bones of the extinct moa and New Zaland quail"?
reworded --Gertrude206 (talk) 00:08, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Everything looks good to me now. One last comment, maybe the first two images should swap their alignments (left/right) so that the birds look towards the text rather than away from it?
aaargh - if I right-align the lithograph, it will be displaced downwards on wider monitors (left-aligning the chick is ok). I thought for a moment you meant swapping the chick image and lithograph but that takes the chick away from its reference text...frustrating. You're not bothered by image displacement? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:13, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Just to show what I mean, on a small screen it would look like this:[5] FunkMonk (talk) 06:23, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
okay switched now 12:09, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Support - everything looks nice to me now. FunkMonk (talk) 13:48, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review[edit]

Source review - spotchecks not done. Version reviewed

  • The lead identifies the stoat as an invasive mammal, but that claim is not cited and not repeated in the body
Good pickup (how did we leave that out??), and added now to body Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:11, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Be consistent in how you format refs to IUCN red list
Weird - was a duplicate ref. fixed now Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:23, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Be consistent in when locations are included and how these are formatted
All books should now have locations. One odd use of brackets removed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:54, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
They don't all - eg FN38 - and looks to still be inconsistent in when/whether country names are listed. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:33, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Be consistent in whether you use website name or domain name as work title for web refs, and whether publisher is included. Compare for example FNs 10 and 14
aligned as website name, and publisher included Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:31, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • FN12 is identified as a juvenile work at OCLC - what makes this a high-quality reliable source?
This is weird - the Falla/Sibson/Turbott guidebooks to the birds of NZ were the go-to guidebooks. Perplexed by this... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:16, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
So... is the OCLC listing incorrect, or is this a different book, or...? Nikkimaria (talk) 02:33, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This is the correct book on OCLC - I see the tag. No idea how it got put there. I have an older edition of this book. Is just a bird guidebook but a good one. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:30, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Compare publisher formatting in 15 vs 16
yikes/fixed/aligned Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:19, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Er, these still seem to be different? Nikkimaria (talk) 02:33, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
ack - tweaked but one is web and one is book...and book one is putting location before publisher... :/ weird Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:38, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Don't mix templated and untemplated citations
all templated now (apart from one below) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:19, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Be consistent in how edition statements are formatted
edition formatting aligned Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:22, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Be consistent in when you use |via=
Never used them - removed them now Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:37, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
oops - material covered by other two refs anyway. We'd removed a few theses and must have overlooked this one Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:42, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
ah yes - this is the last templated ref - I need to read up on this and is nearly 1am here...on it tomorrow I think I fixed it... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:48, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Nikkimaria. All good? Gog the Mild (talk) 10:29, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Just location formatting pending - including country vs not. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:17, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Cas Liber ? Gog the Mild (talk) 18:25, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
(sorry, Xmas parties and IRL stuff) - umm...I used to always include countries in locations until BrianBoulton argued that if it was somewhere obvious like London or New York - they should be dropped. Happy to include all again if people want - my personal thoughts were that it was a little to subjective. Anyway, countries added now Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:54, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've got no issue with excluding for globally known locations like that, but if you're going to include for Auckland, it doesn't make much sense to not include for Collingwood. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:15, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
countrified now Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:14, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support from TRM[edit]

  • "native to the New Zealand mainland" but the distribution section says it's found on Stewart Island and "offshore islands"?
aargh - adopted the KISS strategy and left as NZ Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:51, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "egg clutch" the "clutch" term could be linked and is not used in the main article.
tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:04, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "although it also ... Although widespread" repetitive.
tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:04, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
linked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:04, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Department of Conservation is normally just referred to as DOC so consider adding (DOC) after the first use and then using the initialism thereafter.
tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:39, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "genus Columba (bird) as" do we need (bird) in there??
tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:04, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "found in mainland New Zealand" see above.
tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:04, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "which is a member of a different genus." this is unreferenced.
removed (sadly), as is obvious - I searched for a source to no avail. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:29, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Link mantle.
linked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:29, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "around Invercargill crossed" link.
linked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:29, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "ritualised 'billing'" what does this mean?
rejigged material and removed this, as described later without need for this term, which actually isn't used in the main/authoritative secondary source (HANZAB) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:24, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • ("... can cause the bird to become intoxicated ..." this sounds brilliant, pity we don't have more on pissed Kiwi pigeons...!)
  • "Breeding and lifespan" this para appears to suffer from image sandwiching.
moved the egg Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:25, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "breeding, and likely breed together in subsequent breeding" triple-breed.
tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:15, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • You mentioned "billing" (unexplained) earlier but not here.
see above Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:24, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "(mostly kānuka (Kunzea ericoides), which" looks to be missing a closing paranthesis.
tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:39, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
linked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:39, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "egg (museum specimen)" would think this should be "Egg..."
fixed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:33, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "success.[48][46][49][50] " ref order.
tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:42, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "150 square metres" convert.
converted Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:42, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "from Auckland city" link.
linked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:33, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "causing them to become drunk" you've already mentioned this, although you used the slightly more encyclopedic term of "intoxicated"...
tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:39, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "containers).[67][48][69]" ref order.
fixed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:33, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • " kaka, kakapo " why aren't these having their diacritics honoured?
tweaked. these articles were only changed recently. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:04, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "birds collected by the Department of Conservation.[83]" linked here? Do it first time and as noted above, then go for DOC.
tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:33, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 84 spaced hyphen should be en-dash.
tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:33, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's it for now. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 11:24, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

AryKun[edit]

  • I don't think that the acronym for Department of Conservation is needed in the lead, because it's only mentioned once anyway.
Ummm....is mentioned twice in lead...? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:14, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, sorry, that was a major brain fade. AryKun (talk) 07:20, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The "not threatened" DOC conservation status is capitalized in the lead, but not in the body. Should be consistent.
lower cased Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:14, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also, "conservation dependent" is linked in the body, but not in the lead. I'm not sure if the link in the body is correct, as it goes to page for the IUCN category (maybe this would be a better place to link to?)
linked to new target x 2 Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:17, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Should taonga and iwi be italicized?
yes - done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:11, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Perhaps an in-bracket note explaining that Megaloprepia is currently synonymized with Ptilinopus?
yes - done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:21, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pūriri and tītoki are missing their macrons.
fixed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:25, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Courtship display" → "The courtship display"
done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:21, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Maybe link brooding?
'Brooding' links to Egg incubation, which I linked at first mention of incubation in section Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:23, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why is kākahu capitalized?
idk - fixed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:21, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's all. AryKun (talk) 14:28, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Couldn't find anything else, really nice article. AryKun (talk) 13:21, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
thx Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:19, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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