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The article was archived by Laser brain via FACBot (talk) 28 September 2020 [1].

Edict of Torda[edit]

Nominator(s): Borsoka (talk) 04:45, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about a late-16th-century decree promoting religious toleration in Europe through sanctioning the existence of a radical Protestant denomination in John Sigismund Zápolya's "eastern Hungarian Kingdom". Borsoka (talk) 04:45, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Image review—pass

All images are freely licensed and placed acccording to MOS.{{
File:Eastern-hungarian-kingdom1550.JPG lacks a source for the information on the map. It needs to be verifiable somehow; usually this is done by adding sources to the Commons image description. Such sources could be other maps which show the extent of the kingdom, textual sources which describe it in words, or some combination thereof. (t · c) buidhe 10:43, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Buidhe: thank you for your review. I added an academic source ([2]). Please let me know if further sources are needed. Borsoka (talk) 15:26, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That seems fine to me. I cannot check it, but AGF it contains the same information. (t · c) buidhe 20:39, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Although the cited source does not contain the same information (because its timeframe is longer), it verifies the map's content. Borsoka (talk) 12:48, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Buidhe

Is Ferenc David "A/antitrinitarian" or "Unitarian"? This article says the former, his article says the latter (he founded the Unitarian Church of Transylvania). "Antitrinitarianism" redirects to nontrinitarianism, which states, "Certain religious groups that emerged during the Protestant Reformation have historically been known as antitrinitarian." Capitalizing "antitrinitarian" looks odd to me, and judging from Google Scholar, it is not usually capitalized outside of titles. (t · c) buidhe 07:07, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your comment. I decapitalized the word "antitrinitarian" in the article. Antitrinitarianism is a theological approach, Unitarianism is one of the Christian denominations accepting antitrinitarianism - so they do not exclude each other. Pope Paul III, Martin Luther and John Calvin adhered to trinitarian theologies, but the Pope headed the Catholic Church, Luther and Calvin established two Protestant churches. The originally trinitarian Dávid adopted an antrinitarian theology in 1565 and he became a "Founding Father" of the antitrinitarian Unitarian Church in Transylvania in 1568, but he died after adopting practices alien to mainstream Unitarianism. Summarizing, he was an Unitarian antitrinitarian for a while and a "heretic" (maybe Sabbatarian) antitrinitarian at the end of his life. Borsoka (talk) 07:52, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - spotchecks not done

Some of the details in the lead don't appear to be cited anywhere - for example, that Hussites were expelled in the 1430s
What makes Children of the Same God a high-quality reliable source? Nikkimaria (talk) 19:47, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Nikkimaria: thank you for the source review. I think the Hussites' flee from Hungary was the only sentence that was not verified in the main text. I added two sentences about the purge ([3]). Susan J. Ritchie is Associate Professor of Unitarian Universlist History and Ministry at Starr King School who holds a doctorate in cultural/religious studies from Ohio State University ([4]). I think in the article's context her book about the historical relationship between Unitarianism, Judaism and Islam can hardly be ignored, because it is a well-written book supported by references to academic works. Nevertheless, I added a second reference to all references to her book in the article, save one sentence (where her own PoV is mentioned); I also deleted one sentence that was verified only by her work and I also used her translation of the Edict ([5]). Is this approach is acceptable for you? Borsoka (talk) 05:20, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:53, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinator comment - This has passed into the Older Nominations section without much substantive review or support for promotion. Therefore, I will be archiving it shortly and it may be re-nominated after the customary two-week waiting period. --Laser brain (talk) 15:00, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been archived, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. --Laser brain (talk) 15:00, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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