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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Karanacs 15:59, 1 September 2009 [1].

Chicado V[edit]

Nominator(s): Ealdgyth - Talk 21:12, 25 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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I am nominating this for featured article because... It's been copyedited by Malleus, BrianBoulton, Moni, Xandar, and Iridescent and if there is anything else to be discovered about this mare, I would love to find out. Chicado V is in the top ranks of "blue hen" mares of the Quarter Horse breed, and most all Quarter Horse racehorses descend from her at least once. Ealdgyth - Talk 21:12, 25 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comments
  • Burke in notes but not refs; conscious choice?
  • Also, is that pronounced Chicado Vee or Chicado the Fifth? I assume the former, but...?
  • "started, or took part in races, " really awkward, unless... she... was in a race that she didn't start? I suppose this is an attempted to explain "started", but it doesn't work for me. Ling.Nut (talk) 02:17, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Burke is an oversight, fixing now. Pronunciation is up in the air, I'd assume Vee, but nothing definitive is known. My assumption is that she had the V added on to Chicado to distinquish her from an earlier registered "Chicado", the V being chosen for her owner's last name. I've never run across Chicado I, II, III, or IV, but no source states how her name was pronounced. Unfortunately, you wanting me to change the "started" thing conflicts with other editors who wanted an explanation put in. Sometimes, it's impossible to satisfy everyone. Ealdgyth - Talk 02:20, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Broodmare career".. would you add up the sons and daughters and put the total in the first or second sentence of this section (and perhaps in the lead; your call)? Simple addition is NOT WP:OR.
  • Why? I don't set out the various statistics in Easy Jet or Go Man Go? And where would I stop with this sort of summary? Should I set out how many of each color she had, that's actually of more interest to horsepeople. I could figure the ratio of starters to foals, or the ratio of winners to starters among her foals, more information of interest to horsepeople, but definitely minutiae that would make the already dry article even drier. I'm not saying I won't do it, but I'm curious as to why it's needed? (It's not a common bit of summary information for horses, it's not part of the Legends 5 article and generally isn't something you'll see noted anywhere. For example, although the AQHA dam record gives total numbers on a summary sheet, it's not broken down by number of foals for each gender.) Ealdgyth - Talk 02:42, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Because it is basic information, and extremely relevant. because it is easy to do. Because your lead says "Her daughter x", making it sound like there was only one daughter. Because it adds summary info to the section, making it easier to follow/understand... Here's my count:
  • Triple Chick — male
  • War Chic — male
  • Table Tennis — female
  • Three Chicks — male
  • Chicado Chick — male
  • Anchor Chic — male
  • The Ole Man — male
  • Successor — male
  • Alisal — female
  • Eh? Where's Rapid Volley in all that? Seems she's a grandget; the lead calls her a daughter...
Typos, probably. Fixed. I've clarified the lead to "One of her daughters..." I've added the information, but I am doing so under protest, I don't see how it's relevant nor how it helps the section, just adds more information that's really not relevant at all. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:27, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Does footnote 25 mean that the whole pedigree chart is from that source? If so, I dislike this documentation approach. I suggest a simple line of text indicating the source of the pedigree info. I suppose it could be a note or a footnote, but placing it after Chicado's name is kinda obscure. Ling.Nut (talk) 02:37, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, it does. I previously placed the footnote on the "pedigree" header in one of the other horse FAs, but it was rejected there, I'm just following Easy Jet here. Ealdgyth - Talk 02:42, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Following previous FAs is a bad idea. Following documentation methods common in literature is a good idea. In stuff I write, the source would not be displayed like that. Do horsey journals place the notes in that manner?
  • Frankly, horse journals don't footnote pedigrees. A horse journal would have set out ALL that pedigree information in prose (along with discussions of what each ancestor did and how) and if it had been footnoted at all, it would have been in the prose. Personally, I prefer it on the pedigree, where it is. I HAVE seen this approach taken with human pedigrees in genealogy works, so there is precedent. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:27, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do pedigrees always go right to left like that? It's extremely possible; I'm just asking. Seems they do. I went to http://www.qhd.com/ to look.
  • In the pedigree, why are there asterisks in front of Kilkerrun and Chicle? Why is there an equals sign in front of Spearmint?
  • Added explanatory note, basically * means it was imported into the United States, and = means that it lived its entire life outside the United States. Because TBs are registered in many different countries, there may be many different horses in different countries with the same names, and the little symbols help distinquish them. It's a convention, that's all. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:27, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • What's the difference between an AQHA Champion and a World Champion? The lead says "Two of her offspring were named Champion Quarter Running Horses", but I see four champions in her first generation,as per qhd.com's page at Three Generations of Offspring For Chicado V:
  • Anchor Chic:; (Stallion); 0353550; (Anchor Watch (TB) x Chicado V); Race money-earner, ;
  • Chicado Chick:; (Stallion); 0185816; (Three Bars (TB) x Chicado V); AQHA Champion, '67 O;
  • Successor:; (Stallion); 0351912; (Go Man Go x Chicado V); Race money-earner, ;
  • Table Tennis:; (Mare); 0094987; (Spotted Bull (TB) x Chicado V); World Champion, '60 3 YO Race Filly;
  • The Ole Man:; (Stallion); 0426041; (Three Bars (TB) x Chicado V); Race money-earner, ;
  • Three Chicks:; (Stallion); 0150624; (Three Bars (TB) x Chicado V); AQHA Champion, '66 O;
  • Triple Chick:; (Stallion); 0072953; (Three Bars (TB) x Chicado V);
  • War Chic:; (Stallion); 0075870; (War Bam (TB) x Chicado V); World Champion, '58 2 YO Race Colt Ling.Nut (talk) 03:41, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • QHD is not a reliable source for those records, I took the records off the official AQHA records. AQHA champion is a show title. Champion Quarter Running (or "World Champion" as QHD says) is a racing title. You'll note that I said she had two "Champion Quarter Running Horses" which she did. She also had two AQHA Champions, which are showing titles and not nearly so prestigious. Frankly, QHD is wrong in its terminology here. The only reason I've left it as an external link is that when I take it out, it comes back. It also links to more information on other horses related to her. I've added an explanatory footnote on the first main article usage of "Champion Quarter Running Horse" Ealdgyth - Talk 12:27, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "She set three speed records " should that be, she set two, and equaled one?
  • Revised in the lead to two, left off the equaled in the lead. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:27, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • With that in mind, I put a suggested revision of those two sentences in the article's talk. Ling.Nut (talk) 04:21, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why not just quietly fix it instead of making a song and dance about it? --Malleus Fatuorum 00:27, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's fixed. To note, that disambig page was just created 30 August 2009, for a redlink. Surely we'd be better off with a hatnote and no disamb page? I kinda doubt that anyone is going to dispute that the breed is the primary usage... but whatever. Ealdgyth - Talk 00:31, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Like Iridescent, I was invited to comment on this article before its FAC, and all my concerns were dealt with. --Malleus Fatuorum 00:30, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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