Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Aquaria (video game)/archive1

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The article was promoted by SandyGeorgia 14:10, 11 September 2010 [1].

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Aquaria (video game)

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Nominator(s): PresN 20:17, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

My second indie video game FAC after Flower (video game), I think this article is ready for prime time. It's been GA'd and PR'd, and I've given it a good copyedit (and read it through backwards). Have at it! --PresN 20:17, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

• Support I love this game and the article seems good overall. I have a few suggestions.

Could we get more pictures? Maybe a picture of the creators or a picture from the Independent Games Festival or another gameplay image? Since the game is now open source, I'm not sure what the freeness status of game images is. I see two images were reduced to one in GA review, but personally I think more images would improve it.

This statement could use a citation: "As the game opens, Naija has lost almost all her memories, and is unaware of the world outside of her home as she "lives as a simple creature"."

It's a little bit odd that the talk page is empty, but I guess it doesn't really matter.

Overall the content is solid and comprehensive. ~~Andrew Keenan Richardson~~ 05:13, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks for the support!
• The game images are still not free; the code is open source but the art/music is copyrighted. To add another picture I'd need to have a specific subject that needs to be shown, and I can't think of any.

• Could a picture of another form or one featuring Li be used? ~~Andrew Keenan Richardson~~ 19:25, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

• The ref for the quote was a few sentences later; I've copied it back to the quote as well.
• Well, the last comment on the page was January 2009. --PresN 15:52, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

• Comments
  • A bit of passive voice in the lead: "gameplay is focused", "Songs sung by Naija"
    • Fixed.
  • "a perceived lack of variety of objectives" could be considered POV, could also use a reword to avoid repeating "of"
    • Fixed.
  • The gameplay section mentions an Xbox 360 controller, but Xbox isn't listed as an available platform...
    • It's not. You can plug in an Xbox 360 controller into a pc, it's just a usb cable. Tried to clarify.
  • "which Naija can interact with directly or indirectly", indirectly how? If she can interact both ways, is it necessary to mention it at all? Perhaps remove this bit and combine the remaining sentence with the next one and only mention interaction starting with the next paragraph.
    • Fixed.
  • Maybe other reviewers will disagree with me, but do you have to list all the forms? I suggest picking a handful of forms that are varied and interesting to the reader and leave the rest unsaid. The gameplay section is generally an overview and you don't need to get into nitty-gritty detail about every feature of the game. It'll also let you combine that paragraph with the previous one.
    • Eh, I'm not too opposed to this, but I'd like another opinion before I cut it out.
  • "unlike forms can also learn them", not sure what you're trying to say here. This last gameplay paragraph is a little choppy.
    • I just meant that in contrast to forms, which you cannot use until you "learn" them, even if you sing the right song, you can make recipes by blindly combining ingredients without first "learning" them. Fixed, and tried to clean up the paragraph.
  • "and in most of them... accompanied by cutscenes", so what?
    • Heh, cut a bit.
  • "After being confronted... explore the world around her", too many ideas going on at once. Try to split into two sentences to cut down on # of commas.
    • Ah, run-on sentences full of commas, my personal weakness.
  • Lots of "whiles" in the first paragraph of development, consider rewording
    • Fixed.
  • "only limiting factor is physical limitations" reword to avoid repetition of "limit"
    • Fixed.
  • "quibbles", POV word choice, it implies these reviewers' criticisms are nit-picky and unimportant (even if one reviewer admits it)
    • Fixed.
• No judgment until nominator responds. Axem Titanium (talk) 06:37, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
  • • Responded and addressed your issues with the article. --PresN 16:06, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
      • Looks good. I made a few more minor changes, but other than that, Support. Seems like an interesting game, maybe I'll play it eventually. Axem Titanium (talk) 16:56, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

• Comment—no dab links, no dead external links. Ucucha 06:43, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

• Comments -
• http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODMxOQ what makes this reliable?

Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 23:53, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks for the review, source has been replaced with a ref to Holowka's Infinite Ammo blog post that announced the code release. --PresN 01:11, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

I really enjoyed reading your article on Flower, so I'd love to read this :)

• "by Alec Holowka and Derek Yu, who together form the independent game company Bit Blot which developed and originally published the game" Needs another comma somewhere, I think
  • Fixed.
• "be hostile, friendly, or may pay no notice to her" Rephrase?
  • Fixed.
• "they are acquired in" in which they are acquired
  • I'll end sentences with prepositions if I want to :). Fixed.
• Shouldn't plot sections go before gameplay sections?
  • Nope, it's gameplay first. Wikipedia:VG/GL#Organization. You give the framework for how the game works first, then show how the plot is presented through it. It's not as important for adventure games, but it's really helpful for games with a larger disconnect between plot and gameplay such as RPGs and RTS games.
• "almost all her memories" All of her memories?
  • Fixed; each time I go through this process my copyediting gets a little better.
• "perspective of after the events of the game are over" Rephrase?
  • I've been having trouble with this sentence; tell me if this works better.
    • How about something like "spoken by a future Neija"? The plot already mentions that it's a story, perhaps you could just mention that at the beginning? J Milburn (talk) 22:37, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
      • Done.
• "or by their own gods" Not clear what this means.
  • Fixed.
• "defeating a god" their god, maybe, but I thought you'd already said they were no longer gods?
  • Fixed.
• "descends into the" to the?
  • Fixed.
• "bottom of the ocean to confront the god" repetition of "ocean"
  • Fixed.
• "the songs in the game's" on the game's?
  • I've generally seen it as "in" the soundtrack if it's during the game, and "on" the soundtrack as part of a separately-published album. The idea being that in the first case the soundtrack is the collection of music during the game, and the component songs are "in" it, and in the second case its referring to the disc or medium that the songs are presented "on".
    • I see what you're saying- how about "within"? J Milburn (talk) 22:31, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
      • That'll do.
• In the reception section, could we possibly have the refs straight after the quote?
  • Sure; not sure if that's correct, but I'm sure someone will comment if it's not.
• I'm not certain the details of the release history really belong in the lead, but that may be just me.
  • I'm leaving it for now, though I removed some of the detail on the dates. If anyone else raises the point as a concern, I'll pull it.
• I would strongly disagree with the above that we need more non-free content in the article, but any free pictures we have may break up the text nicely.

Overall, very nice. J Milburn (talk) 16:45, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

• • Thanks! I've addressed your points in-line. --PresN 04:09, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

• Addressed your follow-up points. --PresN 00:00, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

• Support'. J Milburn (talk) 10:53, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Picture update- Hahnchen got bit blot to release a bunch of photos and screenshots as CC-by-SA, so there are now more images in the article and they're all free. --PresN 23:41, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

• Support. Very well-done article. Note that I don't have OTRS access to check the image licensing. Karanacs (talk) 13:51, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

• Please secure an image review. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:50, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

• Image review—Per a ping on my talk page, I did a review. The infobox image has a valid fair-use rationale that is appropriate for the image's use. The others are all Creative Commons licensed per the OTRS ticket on file. Imzadi 1979 → 02:59, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks, Imzadi, but PresN, you still need to secure a complete image review to assure compliance with crit. 3. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:33, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

• In this case, the images comply with crit. 3. I can't access OTRS, but I can't imagine a reason why the OTRS tickets verifying the Creative Commons status would be wrong. As for captions, the first caption on File:Aquaria - Screenshot 02.jpg could be slimmed down to be succinct. The other captions don't need periods as they aren't full sentences. Otherwise, in my opinion, all of crit. 3 has been met. Imzadi 1979 → 04:43, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

• The busy people at OTRS have confirmed the image licenses used in the article. (They've not yet tagged the unused Commons images) - hahnchen 10:12, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

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