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Closed as premature, and inadequately filed. The discussion on the talk page, Talk:Robert (doll), has not been extensive. I have changed the filing to identify the subject article. Resume discussion at the article talk page. Also, the filing editor did not notify the other editors. If discussion at the article talk page resumes, and is lengthy and inconclusive, a new case can be filed here, listing the article correctly, and listing and notifying the other editors. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:14, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.
I, Gabriellemcnell, have been attempting to update Robert (doll)'s page with relevant and factual information that is not currently on the page. The information the page is currently missing has to do with Robert's historical origins, cultural context, cultural impact, and exposure in popular culture. The edits I published were backed by independent sources multiple times where necessary. I received permission and primary source documentation on the updated information regarding Robert through the Key West Art and Historical Society, who are the foremost experts and rights holders of Robert himself. Moments after successfully publishing the edits to Robert (doll)'s page, user @LuckyLouie had reverted it and notified me of this through the talk page on my account, @Gabriellemcnell. I reviewed his reasonings for the revert and attempted to reason with him through my talk page. The next edit I published was removing the sources that did not comply with the FRIND guidelines. By removing the fringe sources, which were LuckyLouie's main concern, I thought the page would stay updated as it complies with the necessary citations for the factual information within. User LuckyLouie took down the page again, within 24 hours, and began attacking my editing character on my talk page. I refrained from further edits to stop any edit warring from happening. I continued my attempts at reasoning with LuckyLouie but they were not able to specify what the exact problem with my initial edits were. User DonaldAlbury then joined the conversation on my talk page and attacked my editing character as well. I have tried to reason with DonaldAlbury and request specific problems to no avail. I do not know what else to do as Robert's page is still out of date and inaccurate.
How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here?
I'd like to publish the original edits I made to Robert's page that have since been reverted. If I try to publish the page again with these edits, these users will revert it. Robert's page, once updated, needs to be protected or the users involved need to specify what their issue is or the users involved need to be restricted in reverting edits to Robert's page
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Closed as premature. There has not been extensive discussion on the article talk page. Discuss on the article talk page. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:22, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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As can be seen here, this user created a talk page post after filing this dispute.
One month ago, this user, who has no other edits then this single one he is warring over, Was warned a month ago for edit warring and improper editing.
Since this warning, the user hasn't made a single constructive edit outside of the same controversial and unreliably sourced edit they made when they first created their account.[1]
While the first few times could be overlooked in good faith, it seems clear to me that this user exists only to add this specific edit to this page, and despite being warned last monthNOT to include blacklisted/unreliable sources, they did so again.
I have attempted to add a "controversies" section to this page on several occasions over the last several months. The user "Comintell" has instantly changed my content back multiple times. They seem to have a vested interest in this company not receiving any attention that could be perceived as negative which constitutes a bias not in line with Wikipedia's values. Their claim is that my sources are inadequate despite being from government websites and articles mentioned on other Wikipedia pages respectively. I don't want to engage in an "edit war" with this user and they have failed to respond to any of my communications explaining my reasoning sent in response to their removals of my content. Please let me know if this user could be kept from editing this page further or simply kept from removing my content which is well sourced and legitimate.
Thank you.
How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here?
Ask this user to engage in a dialogue with me since they seem intent on removing certain verifiable information. I would like to understand their genuine reasoning. Or alternatively remove editing power of this user from the Undetectable.ai Wikipedia page.
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Closed, again. A similar request was filed a few days ago that failed to list the other editors, and failed to notify them of this listing. There does not appear to have been lengthy and inconclusive discussion on an article talk page. Request advice at the Teahouse. After requesting and receiving advice, discuss at the article talk page. Do not file another request here unless advice has been requested, and unless there is extensive and inconclusive discussion on an article talk page. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:33, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Have you discussed this on a talk page?
Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.
1.Clarity for Modern Readers: The current description uses “Tangier, Marinid Sultanate” and “Maghrebi traveler.” While this is historically significant, it may not be clear to most modern readers. Using “Tangier, Morocco” and “Moroccan traveler” could provide more immediate understanding.
2.Historical Context: While it’s important to use terms that modern readers will understand, it’s also crucial to provide historical context. We can mention that during Ibn Battuta’s time, Morocco was known as “al-Maghrib al-Aqsa” within the broader Maghreb region. This provides both clarity and historical accuracy.
3.Standard Practices: Wikipedia typically describes the birthplace and death of historical figures in relation to current countries, not the ruling entity of the time. This is especially relevant when the entity, in this case, the “Marinid Sultanate”, no longer exists. While Tangier and Marrakech are well known cities in Morocco. Aligning the article with this practice would maintain consistency across Wikipedia.
How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here?
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Closed as probably not the right forum. Moderated discussion at DRN is very seldom an effective way of resolving a dispute with 23 editors. A Request for Comments on whether to split the article is probably more likely to be effective. Also, discussion on the article talk page has not been sufficient. Resume discussion at the article talk page. It might be a good idea also to request advice at the Teahouse on how to proceed with this dispute. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:39, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Have you discussed this on a talk page?
Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.
There is an ongoing heated dispute over the level of detail given in the main article related to the coverage of Israel at this year's contest. There is a lot of want to include a lot of detail about the participation of Israel from including it prominently in the lede, to having multiple detailed sections in the main article. There is a need to ensure that policies on neutrality, balance, recentism, excessive detail, etc. are followed. There is a want to include based on the amount of media coverage and a want to include things unrelated to the contest in and of itself. The article is in danger of becoming not an article on the contest as a whole but an article on Israel's participation with some other things on the side. There is already an article specifically for Israel at the Evisovion Song Contest 2024. There is a need to avoid having a duplicate. There seems to be a push to include a lot more information on Israel than is warranted simply because some media outlets spilt a lot of ink writing about it, some people shouted very loudly through various means, and the Middle East conflict seems to drown out everything else it touches. The article needs to resolve how to include Israel while still maintaining focus on the actual Eurovision Song contest 2024, all the while remembering there is a child article specifically on Israel at this year's contest. PicturePerfect666 (talk) 23:40, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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There is a need for outside parties who are uninvolved to look at the totality of the discussions taking place related to Israel.
There are a lot of Points of view, and a lot of details wanting to be included. There is also a lot of recentism being banded about.
This is causing serious bogging down and disputes over what to include and not include.
Help is needed sorting this through, with a strong focus on what is an is not encyclopaedic and what is and is not following the Wikipedia pillars.
Guidance and reminders of what Wikipedia is not are needed.
Help to sort what goes in the main article and what goes in the child article.
Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.
COMMENT I generally oppose the creation of another article, and on balance, opinion would seem to be weighted against it. I can see there are persuasive views on both sides, but my own is that the article should pick out the most significant facts, and surely the inclusion of the section in question is far more important than, say, a table relating to the bidding cities. My biggest concern is that in creating a separate article, there is a risk that future readers will disregard it entirely. I've been watching the ESC since 1976, and there have been very few years as controversial or politically charged as this one. I feel the main article should reflect this. (EofN (talk) 04:07, 22 May 2024 (UTC))[reply]
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Comment I'm unsure why I've been included in this so-called dispute. I've not said anything whatsoever in regards to Israel. I simply said that I don't think that there should be a separate article re controversies (for those unfamiliar with the subject, there are controversies that had nothing to do with Israel), as it could lead to POV FORKING, and I stand by that belief. Having revisitedtge talk page, I really don't think there is any dispute to be noted. IJA (talk) 23:42, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment I've been incorrectly added to this like User:IJA. It appears that constituents of discussions of suggested article moves/creations relating to Eurovision 2024 controversies have been thrown into something that has to do with Israel. I am involved in the former but not the latter. My contribution to the article surrounds flags, particularly the banning on non-binary and CoE/EU flags. On the talk page I support the move of the controversy section to a new article. Nothing to do with Israel. UaMaol (talk) 02:57, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Closed as declined by the other editors. The filing editor notified the other two editors, but both of them removed the notification of the DRN filing. Removing the notification of a DRN filing is a rude method of declining to participate in moderated discussion. Participation in DRN is voluntary, and an editor may decline to participate for any reason or no reason. Since the other editors are not participating, there will not be moderated discussion, and this thread will be closed. Continue discussion on the article talk page. Do not edit-war. A Request for Comments may be the way to resolve this dispute. Robert McClenon (talk)
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Have you discussed this on a talk page?
Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.
There is dispute over whether the origin of the breed of dog (Aidi) should be listed as Morocco or North Africa/Maghreb.
I initially reverted the article due to a slow edit war over this, it was later reverted back. I have tried to discuss it on the talk page and have provided multiple reliable sources that state the origin of the breed in Morocco. The other party to the dispute has been unwilling to help.
How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here?
M.Bitton changed the origin parameter in the infobox to state 'North Africa' instead of Morocco. This is despite it being listed as originating in Morocco by the FCI and several published sources: [2][3][4]
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Plz see the WP:RS sources and take decision from a neutral point of view. Any article needs to have information of itself not others here in Maratha Confederacy article Mughals are discussed more in 1st para than the Marathas. Not much have been described about Marathas in intro paras even after so much information exist about them.
Dispute as to the neutrality of characterizing Slotkin's "support of the strike" with a plain statement or quotes from reliable sources. No consensus from RfC leaves status quo in place, but status quo is seen as an inaccurate/slanted characterization by some participants in discussion.
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A decision on whether the reliable sources characterize the quote, how they characterize the quote, and whether part of the quote should be included in the article.
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Oh I'll keep it brief: a few editors have been fighting to keep this trivial NOTNEWS material in here for months. It's a bit of nothing, apparently originally inserted by a sock of User:Thespeedoflightneverchanges. User:andrew.robbins is making this into a--I don't know what, something irritating, and I wonder what wise editors like User:Muboshgu or User:Courcelles think about this. Drmies (talk) 22:14, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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I don't have anything to add outside of there is no consensus for anything, at this point I say just leave it out. Not saying this is good reasoning or that I agree that NOTNEWS applies, just that I don't think it is a big enough deal to keep pushing. Maybe have another RFC in a few months/years once more critical perspectives of her tenure and actions towards labor have been done. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 23:33, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Important context here is that this article has been the subject of repeated sock and meat puppetry with off-Wiki organizing being publicly admitted to (which resulted in even the talk page being ECP) with Cpotisch reporting that there's a team of editors who "hate Slotkin" attempting to push a POV here. Wrt this specific section of the article: it's been discussed ad nauseam and there's no consensus for the edit being suggested. Not sure how many venues this argument needs to be repeated in. Dcpoliticaljunkie (talk) 22:48, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Zeroth question by volunteer (Elissa Slotkin)[edit]
There has already been an RFC, although the RFC was poorly written, and was closed as No Consensus. Before any further dispute resolution action can be taken, either at this noticeboard, or elsewhere, I have a question, which is: What, if anything, do any of the editors who have filed or responded to this request expect to be accomplished at this noticeboard? I am adding the closer, User:Alpha3031, because they noted in closing that a request for assistance could be made here or at another noticeboard. What, if anything, is anyone suggesting or asking to be done at this noticeboard? Robert McClenon (talk) 01:23, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This noticeboard usually facilitates moderated discussion. It isn't obvious to me whether moderated discussion is feasible. If some other service is being requested, it needs to be requested.
Be civil and concise. Comment on content, not contributors. Do not reply to the statements of other editors. Just answer the question that I have asked.
Robert McClenon (talk) 01:23, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Zeroth statements by editors (Elissa Slotkin)[edit]