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The Signpost: 30 September 2019
- From the editors: Where do we go from here?
- Special report: Post-Framgate wrapup
- Traffic report: Varied and intriguing entries, less Luck, and some retreads
- News from the WMF: How the Wikimedia Foundation is making efforts to go green
- Recent research: Wikipedia's role in assessing credibility of news sources; using wikis against procrastination; OpenSym 2019 report
- On the bright side: What's making you happy this month?
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Problems
- Last week's Tech News had delivery problems. Some did not get the newsletter. Some got it more than one time. The problem where some pages got it three times should now be fixed. [1]
Changes later this week
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 1 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 2 October. It will be on all wikis from 3 October (calendar).
Meetings
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You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 2 October at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- The Wikimedia Foundation Community Tech team is working on a watchlist expiry feature. This means you can put things on your watchlist for a period of time instead of forever. They are looking for feedback on the questions they have.
- Special:Contributions will get the standard OOUI look. This makes it easier to use on mobile and makes it look like other
Special:pages. There is a script you can use to make the form smaller if you want to. [2]
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16:51, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
WikiProject Numismatics newsletter - October 2019
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The Mercury dime is a ten-cent coin struck by the United States Mint from late 1916 to 1945. Designed by Adolph Weinman and also referred to as the Winged Liberty Head dime, it gained its common name because the obverse depiction of a young Liberty, identifiable by her winged Phrygian cap, was confused with the Roman god Mercury. Weinman is believed to have used Elsie Stevens, the wife of lawyer and poet Wallace Stevens, as a model. The coin's reverse depicts a fasces, symbolizing unity and strength, and an olive branch, signifying peace.
By 1916, the dime, quarter, and half dollar designed by Mint Chief Engraver Charles E. Barber had been struck for 25 years, and could be replaced by the Treasury, of which the Mint is a part, without Congressional authorization. Mint officials were under the misapprehension that the designs had to be changed, and held a competition among three sculptors, in which Barber, who had been in his position for 36 years, also took part. Weinman's designs for the dime and half dollar were selected.
Although the new coin's design was admired for its beauty, the Mint made modifications to it upon learning that vending machine manufacturers were having difficulties making the new dime work in their devices. The coin continued to be minted until 1945, when the Treasury ordered that a new design, featuring recently deceased president Franklin Roosevelt, take its place. The Mercury dime was minted again but in gold for its centenary in 2016. (Full article...)
Today's Featured Article September 26
The Louisiana Purchase Sesquicentennial half dollar was a proposed United States commemorative coin. Intended for the 150th anniversary of the Louisiana Purchase (shown in white), the coin was sought by both the Missouri Historical Society (MHS) and the Louisiana Purchase 150th Anniversary Association of New Orleans, led by Clay Shaw; they hoped to be able to buy the entire coin issue from the government and sell it at a profit. Numismatist Eric P. Newman advocated for the bill on behalf of the MHS. The House of Representatives passed authorizing legislation in April 1953, but the Senate was slow to act, passing it in January 1954. The Treasury Department strongly opposed the bill, and President Dwight D. Eisenhower vetoed it and two other commemorative coin bills on February 3, 1954; Congress made no attempt to override the vetoes. No commemorative coins were authorized or issued by the United States after 1954 until a new issue was struck in 1982. (Full article...)
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Administrators' newsletter – October 2019
News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2019).
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Guideline and policy news
- Following a discussion, a new criterion for speedy category renaming was added: C2F: One eponymous article, which
applies if the category contains only an eponymous article or media file, provided that the category has not otherwise been emptied shortly before the nomination. The default outcome is an upmerge to the parent categories
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- Following a discussion, a new criterion for speedy category renaming was added: C2F: One eponymous article, which
Technical news
- As previously noted, tighter password requirements for Administrators were put in place last year. Wikipedia should now alert you if your password is less than 10 characters long and thus too short.
Arbitration
- The 2019 CheckUser and Oversight appointment process has begun. The community consultation period will take place October 4th to 10th.
- The arbitration case regarding Fram was closed. While there will be a local RfC
focus[ing] on how harassment and private complaints should be handled in the future
, there is currently a global community consultation on partial and temporary office actions in response to the incident. It will be open until October 30th.
Miscellaneous
- The Community Tech team has been working on a system for temporarily watching pages, and welcomes feedback.
Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 9
News and updates associated with user scripts from the past two months (August and September, 2019).
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Hello everyone and welcome to the 9th issue of the Wikipedia Scripts++ Newsletter:
Sorry for falling behind a bit. Please let me know if I missed any new scripts. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 01:55, 7 October 2019 (UTC) |
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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- The abuse filter function now has a faster parser. This is to shorten the waiting time when you save an edit. [3]
Problems
- There is a problem in the visual editor when you copy or delete text with footnotes. It will be fixed soon. [4]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 8 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 9 October. It will be on all wikis from 10 October (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 9 October at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- The Community Wishlist Survey has a new format. It will focus on wikis that typically get less support. It will probably go back to the normal format next year. It is not decided exactly how it will work this year. You can leave feedback.
- The URL of the Wikimedia wiki main pages could be changed. This is because the current URLs cause several problems. For example
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Main_Pagewould behttps://www.wikidata.org/instead. You can tell the developers if this would cause problems for your wiki. - There is a new technical community newsletter. You can read more about the work of Wikimedia's technical community. Subscribe to get the information in the future.
- Outreachy is an internship program for groups who are underrepresented in free and open-source software. There are seven Wikimedia projects about coding, documentation and quality assurance in the next round. Persons who fit the criteria can apply. The last day to apply is 5 November.
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15:36, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
The Bugle: Issue CLXII, October 2019
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If you are a project member who does not want delivery, please remove your name from this page. Your editors, Ian Rose (talk) and Nick-D (talk) 12:41, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- You can now use more advanced editing tools on the mobile web. You can turn them on and off in your preferences in the mobile version. [5]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 15 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 16 October. It will be on all wikis from 17 October (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 16 October at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- Internet Explorer 6 and 7 are no longer supported. This means the browsers might start looking a bit weird. They will not get security support. You can't read Wikimedia wikis in Internet Explorer on Windows XP or Windows versions that are older than Windows XP. This is because almost no one uses the browsers anymore. Supporting them made the wikis less secure for everyone else. [6]
- In the future section headings might have a share link. This is to make it easier to link to the section. You can read more and discuss.
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23:55, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Editing News #2 – Mobile editing and talk pages – October 2019
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Inside this newsletter, the Editing team talks about their work on the mobile visual editor, on the new talk pages project, and at Wikimania 2019.
Help
What talk page interactions do you remember? Is it a story about how someone helped you to learn something new? Is it a story about how someone helped you get involved in a group? Something else? Whatever your story is, we want to hear it!
Please tell us a story about how you used a talk page. Please share a link to a memorable discussion, or describe it on the talk page for this project. The team would value your examples. These examples will help everyone develop a shared understanding of what this project should support and encourage.
Talk Pages
The Talk Pages Consultation was a global consultation to define better tools for wiki communication. From February through June 2019, more than 500 volunteers on 20 wikis, across 15 languages and multiple projects, came together with members of the Foundation to create a product direction for a set of discussion tools. The Phase 2 Report of the Talk Page Consultation was published in August. It summarizes the product direction the team has started to work on, which you can read more about here: Talk Page Project project page.
The team needs and wants your help at this early stage. They are starting to develop the first idea. Please add your name to the "Getting involved" section of the project page, if you would like to hear about opportunities to participate.
Mobile visual editor
The Editing team is trying to make it simpler to edit on mobile devices. The team is changing the visual editor on mobile. If you have something to say about editing on a mobile device, please leave a message at Talk:VisualEditor on mobile.
Edit Cards
- On 3 September, the Editing team released version 3 of Edit Cards. Anyone could use the new version in the mobile visual editor.
- There is an updated design on the Edit Card for adding and modifying links. There is also a new, combined workflow for editing a link's display text and target.
- Feedback: You can try the new Edit Cards by opening the mobile visual editor on a smartphone. Please post your feedback on the Edit cards talk page.
Toolbar
- In September, the Editing team updated the mobile visual editor's editing toolbar. Anyone could see these changes in the mobile visual editor.
- One toolbar: All of the editing tools are located in one toolbar. Previously, the toolbar changed when you clicked on different things.
- New navigation: The buttons for moving forward and backward in the edit flow have changed.
- Seamless switching: an improved workflow for switching between the visual and wikitext modes.
- Feedback: You can try the refreshed toolbar by opening the mobile VisualEditor on a smartphone. Please post your feedback on the Toolbar feedback talk page.
Wikimania
The Editing Team attended Wikimania 2019 in Sweden. They led a session on the mobile visual editor and a session on the new talk pages project. They tested two new features in the mobile visual editor with contributors. You can read more about what the team did and learned in the team's report on Wikimania 2019.
Looking ahead
- Talk Pages Project: The team is thinking about the first set of proposed changes. The team will be working with a few communities to pilot those changes. The best way to stay informed is by adding your username to the list on the project page: Getting involved.
- Testing the mobile visual editor as the default: The Editing team plans to post results before the end of the calendar year. The best way to stay informed is by adding the project page to your watchlist: VisualEditor as mobile default project page.
- Measuring the impact of Edit Cards: The Editing team hopes to share results in November. This study asks whether the project helped editors add links and citations. The best way to stay informed is by adding the project page to your watchlist: Edit Cards project page.
– PPelberg (WMF) (talk) & Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 16:51, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
Hi there, I'm HasteurBot. I just wanted to let you know that Draft:2018 Israeli F-16 shootdown, a page you created, has not been edited in 5 months. The Articles for Creation space is not an indefinite storage location for content that is not appropriate for articlespace.
If your submission is not edited soon, it could be nominated for deletion. If you would like to attempt to save it, you will need to improve it.
You may request Userfication of the content if it meets requirements.
If the deletion has already occured, instructions on how you may be able to retrieve it are available at WP:REFUND/G13.
Thank you for your attention. HasteurBot (talk) 23:04, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be in the public domain rather than on the public domain? --Donald Trung (talk) 23:19, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
- Donald Trung Good eye, and thanks, I was seconds away from sending it to over 1,500 people. - ZLEA T\C 23:24, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
2019 US Banknote Contest
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There are an estimated 30,000 different varieties of United States banknotes, yet only a fraction of these are represented on Wikimedia Commons in the form of 2D scans. Additionally, Colonial America, the Confederate States, the Republic of Texas, multiple states and territories, communities, and private companies have issued banknotes that are in the public domain today but are absent from Commons. In the months of November and December, WikiProject Numismatics will be running a cross-wiki upload-a-thon, the 2019 US Banknote Contest. The goal of the contest is to increase the number of US banknote images available to content creators on all Wikimedia projects. Participants will claim points for uploading and importing 2D scans of US banknotes, and at the end of the contest all will receive awards. Whether you want to claim the Gold Wiki or you just want to have fun, all are invited to participate. If you do not want to receive invitations to future US Banknote Contests, follow the instructions here | ||
Sent by ZLEA at 23:29, 19 October 2019 (UTC) via MediaWiki message delivery (talk)
US Banknote Contest
Thanks for your hard work organizing the US Banknote Contest. I look over the contest rules and it doesn't mention the laws regarding the copying of US currency outlined in the Counterfeit Detection Act of 1992. I'm just concerned you're going to get a lot of people scanning US currency and uploading it to the Commons, which I don't believe is legal. Thanks! Magnolia677 (talk) 00:04, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
- Magnolia677 Thanks for your concern, but uploading scans of US banknotes is perfectly legal as the intent is not fraudulent. See c:Template:PD-USGov-money for more information. - ZLEA T\C 13:44, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
- My understanding is it's "perfectly legal" so long as the person scanning the currency abides by the conditions listed in the template. However, these conditions weren't listed on the contest page. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:25, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
- Magnolia677 I'm not sure they need to be, as uploading banknote images to Commons is not fraudulent. Additionally, the three conditions listed in the template only apply to printed copies of banknotes, not digital scans. - ZLEA T\C 17:39, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
- My understanding is it's "perfectly legal" so long as the person scanning the currency abides by the conditions listed in the template. However, these conditions weren't listed on the contest page. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:25, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- The API sandbox and help pages now show more clearly when API modules are marked as
internal. API modules marked as internal were probably internal before. It was easier to miss. You should look for non-internal alternatives. [7]
Problems
- There is a translation tool we use on wikis with more than one language. For a few days it did not create pages for new languages when someone translated a page. The languages did not show in the language bar. This has been fixed. [8]
- The history and diffs can show wrong content. This is because of a cache problem. It will soon be fixed. [9]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 22 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 23 October. It will be on all wikis from 24 October (calendar).
- Reference Previews will be a beta feature on all Wikipedias and some Wikivoyages. It shows you a preview of the footnote when you hover over or click on the number. It has been a beta feature on German and Arabic Wikipedia since April.
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 23 October. See how to join.
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14:44, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
TheWikiWizard - October 2019
Hello, ZLEA! Here is the September 2019 issue of TheWikiWizard.
- What's Hot! (Turkey Overload, Federal Election...)
- Articles (Cite reliable sources!)
- The Wikipedian
- News about Wikipedia! (Wikipedia News and Events!)
- Editor's Notes (New Main Page Planning)
- Activity Page (Fun Activities, and answers to last time's questions...)
- Ads (Cool Ads)
We hope you like this month's issue! If you'd like to discuss this issue, please go to this issue's talk page. Happy Reading! --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 01:43, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
Delivered by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) at 02:05, 23 October 2019 (UTC) on behalf of DannyS712 (talk)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- You can post proposals for the Community Wishlist Survey. The survey decides what the Community Tech team will work on. You can post proposals until 11 November. You can vote on proposals from 20 November to 2 December. This year the wishlist will focus on Wikibooks, Wiktionary, Wikiquote, Wikisource, Wikiversity, Wikispecies, Wikivoyage and Wikinews. You can read more about the format for this year.
- Mobile users now have a specific design for their Watchlist. [10][11]
- You can share feedback and ideas on the Desktop Improvements project. The goal is to make the interface easier to use for readers and editors without removing any functionality. The Foundation's Readers Web team will work on this over the next two years.
- OOUI now allows using
px(pixels) instead ofem(em) for some specific cases. [12][13]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 29 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 30 October. It will be on all wikis from 31 October (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 30 October at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- There will be no software changes from 19 December to 2 January. The first MediaWiki version next year will come the week of 6 January. [14]
- Gadgets and user scripts can access variables about the current page in JavaScript. In 2015, this information was moved from global variables named
wg*tomw.config. The old global variables will be removed later this year. You can know more about it and tell the developers if you want to try this out on your wiki first.
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16:26, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
The Signpost: 31 October 2019
- In the media: How to use or abuse Wikipedia for fun or profit
- Special report: “Catch and Kill” on Wikipedia: Paid editing and the suppression of material on alleged sexual abuse
- Interview: Carl Miller on Wikipedia Wars
- Community view: Observations from the mainland
- Arbitration report: October actions
- Gallery: Wiki Loves Broadcast
- Recent research: Research at Wikimania 2019: More communication doesn't make editors more productive; Tor users doing good work; harmful content rare on English Wikipedia
- News from the WMF: Welcome to Wikipedia! Here's what we're doing to help you stick around
- On the bright side: What's making you happy this month?
WikiProject Numismatics newsletter - November 2019
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The euro (sign: €; code: EUR) is the official currency of 19 of the 28 member states of the European Union. This group of states is known as the eurozone or euro area, and counts about 343 million citizens as of 2019. The euro, which is divided into 100 cents, is the second-largest and second-most traded currency in the foreign exchange market after the United States dollar.
The currency is also used officially by the institutions of the European Union, by four European microstates that are not EU members, as well as unilaterally by Montenegro and Kosovo. Outside Europe, a number of special territories of EU members also use the euro as their currency. Additionally, over 200 million people worldwide use currencies pegged to the euro.
The euro is the second-largest reserve currency as well as the second-most traded currency in the world after the United States dollar. As of August 2018, with more than €1.2 trillion in circulation, the euro has one of the highest combined values of banknotes and coins in circulation in the world, having surpassed the U.S. dollar.
The name euro was officially adopted on 16 December 1995 in Madrid. The euro was introduced to world financial markets as an accounting currency on 1 January 1999, replacing the former European Currency Unit (ECU) at a ratio of 1:1 (US$1.1743). Physical euro coins and banknotes entered into circulation on 1 January 2002, making it the day-to-day operating currency of its original members, and by March 2002 it had completely replaced the former currencies. While the euro dropped subsequently to US$0.83 within two years (26 October 2000), it has traded above the U.S. dollar since the end of 2002, peaking at US$1.60 on 18 July 2008. In late 2009, the euro became immersed in the European sovereign-debt crisis, which led to the creation of the European Financial Stability Facility as well as other reforms aimed at stabilising and strengthening the currency. (Full article...)
Today's Featured Article October 16
The McKinley Birthplace Memorial gold dollar was a commemorative coin struck by the United States Bureau of the Mint in 1916 and 1917, with the obverse designed by Mint Chief Engraver Charles E. Barber, and the reverse by his assistant, George T. Morgan. As William McKinley had appeared on a version of the 1903-dated Louisiana Purchase Exposition gold dollar, the 1916 release made him the first person to appear on two issues of U.S. coins. The coins benefitted the National McKinley Birthplace Memorial at Niles, Ohio. The issue was originally proposed as a silver dollar; this changed when it was realized it would not be appropriate to honor a president who had supported the gold standard with such a piece. The coins were poorly promoted, and did not sell well. Despite an authorized mintage of 100,000, only about 20,000 were sold, many of these at a reduced price to Texas coin dealer B. Max Mehl. Another 10,000 pieces were returned to the Mint for melting. (Full article...)
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2019 US Banknote Contest has started!
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The 2019 US Banknote Contest has started! Be sure to create a worklist for yourself if you haven't already done so. Users may still join the contest by adding their username to the participants list. If you do not want to receive notifications for the 2019 US Banknote Contest, remove your username from the mailing list | ||
Sent by ZLEA at 00:14, 1 November 2019 (UTC) via MediaWiki message delivery (talk)
- I don't people enjoy being notified just because they signed up on a page like Wikipedia:WikiProject Ohio/Participants. Drmies (talk) 01:10, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – November 2019
News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2019).
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Guideline and policy news
- An RfC was closed with the consensus that the resysop criteria should be made stricter.
- The follow-up RfC to develop that change is now open at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/2019 Resysop Criteria (2).
- A related RfC is seeking the community's sentiment for a binding desysop procedure.
Arbitration
- Eligible editors may now nominate themselves as candidates for the 2019 Arbitration Committee Elections. The self-nomination period will close November 12, with voting running from November 19 through December 2.
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- At Special:Contributions you could see up to 5000 edits at the same time if you edited the URL. This has been lowered to 500. This is to stop requests which break the sites. [15]
Changes later this week
MediaWiki:ipb-default-expirycan set the default length to block a user for your wiki. You will be able to useMediaWiki:ipb-default-expiry-ipto set a different default block length for IP editors. [16]- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 5 November. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 6 November. It will be on all wikis from 7 November (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 6 November at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Tech news prepared by Tech News writers and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.
16:48, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 10
News and updates associated with user scripts from the past month (October 2019).
Hello everyone and welcome to the 10th issue of the Wikipedia Scripts++ Newsletter:
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Have a great November, --DannyS712 (talk) 22:18, 7 November 2019 (UTC) |
/* A-36A Mustang (NA-97) */
ZLEA?
Is this how I communicate with you.
I found your message about the A-36A Mustang being called the "Apache," which it was NEVER called by anyone, except for post-WWII writers who knew NOTHING about history of the whole "Mustang Family" that started with NA-73X and ended with the P-51H (although it's "out of alphabetical order," this also includes the P-51K.
I have multiple documents that beyond ANY shadow of a doubt, are on "my side" (it's not really my side...it's the side of actual history).
I read your bio and by 2002, I was already a pilot and had been a warbird enthusiast, photographer and writer of a number of warbird articles on AeroNews-dot-Net (ANN).
I have a recent A-36A article at www.thehangardeck.com that supported my A-36A stance, as far as the name. It came out in April. Strangely enough, by the time it came out, the Historical Archivist at Boeing, Michael Lombardi (who'd sent me documents on other aspects of the whole "Mustang Family," on other occasions) sent me two scans, neither of which I needed to prove my point, but will ABSOLUTELY "nail-down" the official name for the A-36A as "MUSTANG."
I will be most happy to supply you with both North American Aviation documentation and USAAF documentation (at least two document scan from each of them).
I can also help show how the only "Apache" that ever existed in the NAA "Mustang Family" of aircraft was on the NA-91 - the aircraft with the two 20 mm cannons in each wing. It was called "Apache" from the latter part of 1941 until July 13, 1942 (see, I have proof of an exact date), when it, and EVERY NAA aircraft that looked like a P-51 Mustang fighter was to be named "Mustang." That date, you'll note, is BEFORE the first A-36A was built. Will that do?
I even convinced the National Museum of the U. S. Air Force in Dayton, OH to change their signage for the A-36A on display there. Look it up on their website. They also changed their web pages on the A-36A. The DO mention that it has been called "Apache" (only post-War) and "Invader" (that nickname was ACTUALLY used by the pilots & groundcrew of the A-36As flown by the 27th Fighter-Bomber Group in North Africa in WWII...they even petitioned NAA and the USAAF to have the name officially changed to "Invader," but we both know that this name was already given to Douglas' A-26 Light-Medium Bomber/Attack Aircraft, so, naturally, they were turned down. Mustang is what it was from day one until the last one flew operations in WWII.
Thank you.
Mustangtmg (talk) 01:52, 9 November 2019 (UTC) Tom Griffith Mustangtmg (talk) 01:52, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
- Mustangtmg You don't need to prove to me that the A-36 was nicknamed "Mustang" and not "Apache". However, most sources state that you are incorrect. You will need to cite whatever sources you have that "prove" that ALL the other sources are incorrect. - ZLEA T\C 16:00, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
* A-36A Mustang (NA-97) */ Corrected name from "Apache" to "Mustang."
ZLEA...
This Wikipedia "Talk" page is confusing at best...
Can you please email me at mustangtmg@yahoo.com
I can function better in an email format.
I promise to be respectful, which goes without saying.
Tom Griffith — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mustangtmg (talk • contribs) 12:52, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
The Bugle: Issue CLXIII, November 2019
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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- MediaWiki2LaTeX can put different pages from a Wikimedia wiki into a PDF. It can now make a PDF with around 5000 pages. Previously this was 800 pages.
Changes later this week
- There is no new MediaWiki version this week.
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 13 November at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- Wikimedia will take part in Google Code-in. This is for young students who want to help with open source software. You can read more. Experienced technical Wikimedians can mentor students.
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22:04, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
I do NOT understand how this "messaging" or "talking" (whatEVER) works.
Apparently, unless I'm misunderstanding what you wrote on 12 Nov 2019, you're saying that even though I can prove BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT, that the A-36A was never, EVER called "Apache" that since most sources say that it is "Apache," that you, and I guess Wikipedia, have NO desire to be correct. If this the case, then why does it even exist?
I apparently know my "Mustangology" better than most folks out there who purport to be "experts." I would like to try to communicate with you via email, because honestly, this function of Wikipedia is clunkier than the old "Message Boards" that we had 20 years before you were even born.
You have nothing to fear by emailing me, or looking me up on Facebook. You'll find that I'm a well-respected person, having retired from the practice of Hospital Pharmacy after over 45 years and have been a WWII aviation aficionado since the middle 1950s...that's probably before your parents were born.
So email me at mustangtmg@yahoo.com (I've had that email address since LAST Century).
I'll look for something from you on my email and if I get nothing, I'll work my way back to this "wonky" Talk thing and see if you've communicated with me that way.
We need to get the TRUTH out there, and just because 99 out of 100 folks say "Apache" to one who says "Mustang," that does NOT make the 99 correct, does it?
And we all agree that "Invader" was an unofficial nickname given to the A-36A Mustangs that they flew/maintained in the Italian Campaign of WWII, but that was a "field" name and was official only for the Douglas A-26 Invader, a plane that made its first flight while the A-36A was being designed, and a few months before the first A-36A even came out of the NAA factory. Check it out, then explain your intransigence on agreeing on the name. I had to learn the correct name for the A-36A (BTW, that was the only model ever built and there was no aircraft designated as an "XA-36" prototype ... the kinda-sorta prototype was an NA-83, RAF Serial Number "AM118" that the dive brakes, strengthened wing, pylons for bombs or external fuel tanks, plumbing for the external fuel tanks, etc) too, because I thought it was "Apache" for years, then "Invader," and then I started my own research on it and for sure it is and always WAS "Mustang."
Thanks and have a good day.
~~Tom Griffith~~ 11-14-2019 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mustangtmg (talk • contribs) 02:34, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
- Mustangtmg I suggest you read this guide on talk pages, especially this section, before you reply. I know that talk pages can be confusing to new users, but you will get the hang of it eventually. I cannot email you for reasons I cannot disclose, so this is the only way I can get in touch with you.
- Unfortunately, determining what version of history is "correct" on Wikipedia is done by establishing consensus. This is due to the fact that multiple sources exist that contradict each other, and it is the Wikipedia community's job do determine which version is most likely correct based on the sources provided. Currently, consensus is that the name of the A-36 was "Apache" based on the sources available to us.
- Something I would like to point out is that your "proof" appears to be original research, which, unfortunately, is not accepted as a reliable source. If I am wrong, and you have a source/sources that specifically state that the official name of the A-36 was in fact "Mustang" and not "Apache", you may bring it up at Talk:North American A-36 Apache and request that the A-36 page be moved. Otherwise, it may be better to publish a book on the A-36 based on your knowledge, and in the future, your book could be used as a source in the article.
- Wikipedians do desire to be correct, but that is not always easy as ANYONE can claim to be an expert. I agree, if 99% of people make the same mistake, it is still a mistake. However, the mistake cannot be corrected without reliable/irrefutable proof that it is a mistake. - ZLEA T\C 18:04, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Problems
- You will be able to read but not to edit some wikis for up to 30 minutes on 26 November at 06:00 (UTC). You can see which wikis. It will probably last much shorter than 30 minutes. This will also affect the
centralauthdatabase. This could for example affect changing passwords, logging in to new wikis, changing emails or global renames. [17]
Changes later this week
- You can soon vote on proposals for the Community Wishlist Survey. The survey decides what the Community Tech team will work on. You can vote on proposals from 20 November to 2 December. This year the wishlist will focus on Wikibooks, Wiktionary, Wikiquote, Wikisource, Wikiversity, Wikispecies, Wikivoyage and Wikinews. You can read more about the format for this year.
- There is no new MediaWiki version this week.
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 20 November at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.
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20:17, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
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Good day or Good night, ZLEA.
I guess that by telling you,"I give up," it looks like I feel defeated. WRONG! I feel vindicated. Indeed, anywhere on the Internet in late 2019 that is so arcane as to be unusable by normal people, can just sit there and stew in its ignorance (and I mean "ignorance" in its actual definition...just as if I said, "I am ignorant of the governmental system of Fiji or New Guinea," that does not mean that I'm dumb or uneducated - BTW, I'm neither - it means that I do NOT understand the ins-and-outs of something. Not understanding a foreign nation's way of governing itself is not the issue here ... I will just "back out" of the A-36A discussion and let the folks who trust what they read in Wikipedia as being "the Gospel truth," be wrong on this point.
I'm outta here. Mustangtmg (talk) 01:28, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
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Google Code-In 2019 is coming - please mentor some documentation tasks!
Hello,
Google Code-In, Google-organized contest in which the Wikimedia Foundation participates, starts in a few weeks. This contest is about taking high school students into the world of opensource. I'm sending you this message because you recently edited a documentation page at the English Wikipedia.
I would like to ask you to take part in Google Code-In as a mentor. That would mean to prepare at least one task (it can be documentation related, or something else - the other categories are Code, Design, Quality Assurance and Outreach) for the participants, and help the student to complete it. Please sign up at the contest page and send us your Google account address to google-code-in-admins@lists.wikimedia.org, so we can invite you in!
From my own experience, Google Code-In can be fun, you can make several new friends, attract new people to your wiki and make them part of your community.
If you have any questions, please let us know at google-code-in-admins@lists.wikimedia.org.
Thank you!
--User:Martin Urbanec (talk) 21:58, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Changes later this week
- The mobile beta mode will be disabled to have less maintenance. The developers will focus on the desktop improvements project. You can turn on advanced mobile contributions mode if you want to see the categories. You could also jump back to the top. This can instead be done with a gadget or user script. [18]
- Parsoid is software we use for the visual editor, content translation, Flow and the Android app. This has been rewritten. It will come to the wikis gradually over the next two weeks. It has been tested, but there could be some diffs or previews that don't look right. If you see any you can report them. [19]
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 26 November. It will be on the other wikis next week (calendar). This is because of holidays.
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 27 November at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- You will switch between the article and the talk page in a new way in the mobile view in the future. It will use tabs. This is more like in the desktop view. [20]
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16:52, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 11
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The Signpost: 29 November 2019
- From the editor: Put on your birthday best
- News and notes: How soon for the next million articles?
- In the media: You say you want a revolution
- On the bright side: What's making you happy this month?
- Arbitration report: Two requests for arbitration cases
- Traffic report: The queen and the princess meet the king and the joker
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- Recent research: Bot census; discussions differ on Spanish and English Wikipedia; how nature's seasons affect pageviews
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- From the archives: WikiProject Spam, revisited
WikiProject Numismatics newsletter - December 2019
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The Kalākaua coinage is a set of silver coins of the Kingdom of Hawaii dated 1883, authorized to boost Hawaiian pride by giving the kingdom its own money. They were designed by Charles E. Barber, Chief Engraver of the United States Bureau of the Mint, and were struck at the San Francisco Mint. The issued coins are a dime (ten-cent piece), quarter dollar, half dollar, and dollar.
No immediate action had been taken after the 1880 act authorizing coins, but King Kalākaua was interested and government officials saw a way to get out of a financial bind by getting coins issued in exchange for government bonds. Businessman Claus Spreckels was willing to make the arrangements with the United States in exchange for profits from the coin production, and contracted with the US Mint to have $1,000,000 worth of coins struck. Originally, a 121⁄2 cent piece was planned and a few specimens were struck, but it was scrapped in an effort to have uniformity between US and Hawaiian coins, and a dime was substituted. The coins were struck at San Francisco in 1883 and 1884, though all bear the earlier date.
The coins met a hostile reception from the business community in Honolulu, who feared inflation of the currency in a time of recession. After legal maneuvering, the government agreed to use over half of the coinage as backing for paper currency, and this continued until better economic times began in 1885. After that, the coins were more eagerly accepted in circulation. They remained in the flow of commerce on the islands until withdrawn in 1903, after Hawaii had become a US territory. (Full article...)
Today's Featured Article November 28
The Pilgrim Tercentenary half dollar was a commemorative fifty-cent coin struck by the United States Bureau of the Mint in 1920 and 1921 to mark the 300th anniversary of the arrival of the Pilgrims in North America. It was designed by Cyrus E. Dallin. Massachusetts congressman Joseph Walsh was involved in joint federal and state efforts to mark the anniversary. He saw a reference to a proposed Maine Centennial half dollar and realized that a coin could be issued for the Pilgrim anniversary in support of the observances at Plymouth, Massachusetts. The bill moved quickly through the legislative process and became the Act of May 12, 1920, with the signature of President Woodrow Wilson. Sculptor James Earle Fraser criticized some aspects of the design, but the Treasury approved it. After a promising start, sales tailed off, and tens of thousands of coins from each year were returned to the Philadelphia Mint for melting. (Full article...)
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