User talk:Wardn1984

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• Please don't remove valid maintenance templates without addressing the issues at hand, such as you did at Felician College. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 16:08, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

• I am sorry i am new to Wikipedia and its workings. I was unaware of the procedure. The information that was provided on Felician College in that section was a direct quotation from their website it was sourced from "http://www.felician.edu/aboutfelician/index.asp?psection=mission". It was in regards to the mission statement of the college being non-factual. It is a mission statement of a institution and cannot be nonfactual as it is a direct quotation of an intuitions intent. I do not see how a college/business/institutions mission statement can be in factual or non-descript. If it will sacrifice I will add multiple quotes of our mission statement from other sources but it still will be the missions statement.

May 2010

Your addition to Felician College has been removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without permission from the copyright holder. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of article content such as sentences or images. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. Virtually all removed text is a direct copy (as you admit, above) from the Felician College website [1] TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 21:52, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

• My name is Nicholas Ward (wardn@felician.edu) and I am an administrative assistant to the Dean of Adult and Graduate Admissions Dr. Wendy Lin-Cook and I have the explicit permission from her and the senior administration of Felician College to edit the Wikipedia page. I am bringing this matter to the dean tomorrow and will "re-affirm" permissions. I will submit the declaration of consent to Wikipedia early tomorrow to "permissions-en‐at‐wikimedia.org" and

~ Nicholas Ward Felician College Administrative Assistant for Off-Campus Services/Enrollment Management WardN@felician.edu 201-355-1110 Phone 201-559-6120 Fax~

• This is my first time editing/creating a Wiki page so this is all new to me. I have saved a copy of the wiki page that has been approved by the administration. The page that was up was approved via the dean of adult and graduate admissions was the first contested page. All the information on the page was sourced to the websites where the information was located. I hope the affirmation of permission will declare to Wikipedia that the information is viable to publish. I thought that adding a hyperlink was enough sourcing but i will approach the President if need be.

~Nicholas Ward~

Once you get that done, the code for the version of the page as it was before I deleted the copyrighted language can be copied from here. (Don't edit it there or the edits won't show up, you have to copy the code from there into the edit page for the current version of the article.) But let me respectfully add that it will need a lot of work before it will meet Wikipedia requirements. Though it may not look like it on first blush, there are strict rules on what subjects and what contents can and cannot be included in Wikipedia. Without a working knowledge of Wikipedia policy it can be very frustrating to try to write an article that won't be deleted or severely edited.

I've tried several times to write a better introduction to editing than can be found at the Article Wizard and Your First Article and I can't. Don't be tempted to skip past sections of either one, they're full of solid gold information. Also, if you've not done so already, you need to read the Notability, Verifiability, No original research, and What Wikipedia is not policies from beginning to end. Let me add also note that as difficult as it is already, it can be even more difficult to author a page about yourself or the entity for which you work, see the discussion at WP:COI.

As an example, and please understand that this is not a criticism or mockery, but is an attempt to be helpful, let me repeat your response to having the article {{advert}}–tagged:

this pages information is taken directly from the colleges web site and is factual. The area that's seems to be disputed is found in the mission statement of the college and it is a direct quotation. The individual who criticized this article has not substantiated any specific area that is blatant advertisement or nonfactual. If the information was nonfactual the college would not be accredited in the academic world or internationally.

Virtually everything you said in that response is irrelevant. It wasn't the obligation of the tagger to point out the ways in which it sounded like it was an advertisement, it's the posting editor's obligation to make sure that content complies with Wikipedia's rules, and the issue had nothing to do with whether or not the information was true, factual, or accurate. The problem was — and I concur with the tagging editor that it was a problem — that the material appears to violate WP:SPAM due to the promotional way in which it is phrased. Even if you get past the copyright problem and rewrite the language from a neutral point of view, the next problem that you're going to encounter is reliable sourcing. Everything in Wikipedia must be attributed to an independent reliable source, and there are strong restrictions on using self-published information, e.g. your own website, for example, as such a source. Information not attributed to a reliable source is subject to being deleted by any editor.

In summary, Wikipedia can be a very difficult place to learn how to edit by trial and error. Though it bills itself as the "encyclopedia that anyone can edit," the unstated next phrase is, "so long as they follow our intricate rules on subject matter, content, and formatting." I edited other people's articles and participated in Wikipedia improvement projects for months before I had the courage to try to write my first article. Good luck, TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 15:48, 5 May 2010 (UTC) (Oh, and PS, please be sure to sign all your talk page posts, whether on your own talk page or on article talk pages, with four tildes like this: ~~~~.)

I just noted that you had restored part of the copyrighted information. Please don't do it until you get your copyright permissions fully cleared. Restoring copyrighted materials in violation of Wikipedia policy can get you blocked from editing. Even if the regents, trustees, or other governing board of your college have expressly passed a resolution giving permission for the information to be used on Wikipedia, it doesn't mean anything unless you have complied fully with Wikipedia's requirements and procedures, see Granting permission to copy material already online. — TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 16:07, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

(Another) PS: Just FYI, you might want to note that it is not possible under Wikipedia's guidelines to give permission for your material to only be used at Wikipedia. If you give Wikipedia the license it requires for the material to be used at Wikipedia, you are giving the entire world the same license. See Wikipedia:Donating_copyrighted_materials. If you don't give Wikipedia that license, however, the material cannot be used here at all. — TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 16:24, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

• I just submitted the affirmation permissions-en@wikipedia.com. Can i post my information back up again? Should I wait for a response? I also added the "OTRS pending" insert to the top of the page. ~Nick~

I moved the OTRS tag from the article page to the article talk page per Granting permission to copy material already online: "After sending the email, place {{OTRS pending}} on the article's discussion page." You have to wait for the response before reposting because your submission has to be checked to make sure it complies with Wikipedia's copyright permission rules. If it does, the OTRS tag will be replaced with {{PermissionOTRS}} (click on that to see what it looks like), and then you can repost. Don't forget to ~~~~ — TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 18:32, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

• I havent gotten a responce back yet. Attached is what i send in the e-mail request. Can you let me know if i send another request?

User:wardn1984 Page:felician college HTML: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felician_College I hereby affirm that Felician College the creator and/or sole owner of the exclusive copyright of feliciancollege.edu : • ^ http://www.felician.edu • ^ http://www.felician.edu/aboutfelician/index.asp?psection=history • ^ http://www.felician.edu/library/ • ^ http://www.felician.edu/aboutfelician/index.asp?psection=location I agree to publish that work under the free license "Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0". I acknowledge that by doing so I grant anyone the right to use the work in a commercial product or otherwise, and to modify it according to their needs, provided that they abide by the terms of the license and any other applicable laws. I am aware that I always retain copyright of my work, and retain the right to be attributed in accordance with the license chosen. Modifications others make to the work will not be attributed to me. I acknowledge that I cannot withdraw this agreement, and that the content may or may not be kept permanently on a Wikimedia project. Nicholas M. Ward – wardn@felician.edu Felician College -Administrative Assistant Enrollment Management Approved by Dr. Wendy Lin-Cook Dean of Adult and Graduate Admissions

Nicholas Ward Nicholas Ward Adult and Graduate Admissions Felician College 262 S. Main Street Lodi, NJ 07644 Main Office Number: 201-559-6077 Direct Phone: 201-355-1110 Email: wardn@felician.edu

Thanks Wardn1984 (talk) 13:20, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

No, I'm afraid I don't know whether or not it can be repeated or how long it takes. All I know is what the policy says. — TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 17:44, 10 May 2010 (UTC)